Tekel Towers » Harkes / us based players / profit

Tangy · 10/2/2019 7:07 pm

So the new owners said they want to make money through transfers and we signed the lad harkes out of nowhere - so I did a bit of digging and in 2017, Harkes published wage was Around £1400.

That's a very affordable way to get players in the door. I had always presumed he would have been on 5 or 6 or 7k week.

So do we see ourselves being a gateway to European football? If we can get a continual stream of talent, then I'm ok with that

TheShed · 10/2/2019 7:11 pm

Tangy wrote:
So the new owners said they want to make money through transfers and we signed the lad harkes out of nowhere - so I did a bit of digging and in 2017, Harkes published wage was Around £1400.

That's a very affordable way to get players in the door. I had always presumed he would have been on 5 or 6 or 7k week.

So do we see ourselves being a gateway to European football? If we can get a continual stream of talent, then I'm ok with that

What on earth made you think he’d be on 5-7k a week?

Fantasy land.

Arabdownsouth · 10/2/2019 8:20 pm

TheShed wrote:
Tangy wrote:
So the new owners said they want to make money through transfers and we signed the lad harkes out of nowhere - so I did a bit of digging and in 2017, Harkes published wage was Around £1400.

That's a very affordable way to get players in the door. I had always presumed he would have been on 5 or 6 or 7k week.

So do we see ourselves being a gateway to European football? If we can get a continual stream of talent, then I'm ok with that

What on earth made you think he’d be on 5-7k a week?

Fantasy land.

I think he means at DC United, he did say in 2017

10/2/2019 9:33 pm

I think Our Ian would have been happy as Larry to be on an annual salary of $90,000 for playing saccir in the USofA in 2017. He's not tall enough for basketball. Nor stupid enough for their football.

Arabdownsouth · 10/2/2019 9:42 pm

smedDUm wrote:
I think Our Ian would have been happy as Larry to be on an annual salary of $90,000 for playing saccir in the USofA in 2017. He's not tall enough for basketball. Nor stupid enough for their football.

Yeah I kind of only meant that's what the thinking was behind his post. More chance of it there than here though that's for sure.

Arabnophobia · 10/2/2019 10:37 pm

Including what was on top of his base salary Ian Harkes earned £1,830 per week in 2017.

Top earner was on £8,948 a week and 3 other on big bucks. Lowest earner was a keeper on just £843.

2018 they have somecunt on 14,867 a week.

Might be interesting to look further into how they value players. Suspect maybe imports get much bigger wages to attract them to move far to USA and homegrown generally maybe don't sparkle the eyes of the fans so much?

LS Arab · 10/2/2019 10:52 pm

I think there may be a salary cap for most of the squad but then you can go outside that for a set number of ‘star’ players

I suppose could mean those subject to salary cap are open to a move

Whatever the background Harkes certainly looking good so far

Tangy · 10/2/2019 11:08 pm

Sorry gents (and ladies?)

I should clarify what i meant - i presumed (wrongly) that like with most american sports, there is a huge amount of money in them at the top level. Given the new information, it seems far more likely that we could become a door into europe for this level of player.

PatReilly · 10/2/2019 11:57 pm

Tangy, I mind Mark Ogren saying he was going to make money from the club, but did he say via transfers?

It would appear an obvious avenue right enough.

Tangy · 11/2/2019 12:24 am

PatReilly wrote:
Tangy, I mind Mark Ogren saying he was going to make money from the club, but did he say via transfers?

It would appear an obvious avenue right enough.

I think so. Will re listen to the interview tomorrow.

Arabdownsouth · 11/2/2019 12:47 am

Arabnophobia wrote:
Including what was on top of his base salary Ian Harkes earned £1,830 per week in 2017.

Top earner was on £8,948 a week and 3 other on big bucks. Lowest earner was a keeper on just £843.

2018 they have somecunt on 14,867 a week.

Might be interesting to look further into how they value players. Suspect maybe imports get much bigger wages to attract them to move far to USA and homegrown generally maybe don't sparkle the eyes of the fans so much?

Wayne Rooney will be on 10 times that

redford_must_score · 11/2/2019 9:34 pm

I don't recall Mark Ogren saying that profit would come from transfers alone, would imagine that transfers are a major part of the business plan though.
I think Harkes is very much here to be in the shop window because they believe he can contribute to the short term ie getting us up, and may command an onward fee at some point. I don't think we'll be flooded with USA players but I do think we'll probably see more.

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SuperMario · 11/2/2019 9:52 pm

Is the problem no with American players, trying to get a visa???

blackandtangerine · 11/2/2019 10:13 pm

SuperMario wrote:
Is the problem no with American players, trying to get a visa???

Depends. A fair few "americans" have dual citizenships like Harkes has.

redford_must_score · 11/2/2019 11:09 pm

SuperMario wrote:
Is the problem no with American players, trying to get a visa???

Yeah it can be. As b&t says some have dual. But if we were after a young American lad I get the feeling that the Ogrens know their way around how to make it possible or more likely to hire professional legal people who can. No like with the Kawashimi (sp) fiasco

PatReilly · 12/2/2019 12:16 pm

Jumping back to Mark Ogren and his stated intention to make money:- "=16pxThis isn't a hobby for us, and we expect to make money long-term but, let me say, for that to happen we need to be competing in the Ladbrokes Premiership on a continual basis."

I'm wondering if, when he talks of "long term", it's really nothing to do directly with transfer cash, but rather as a sell-on of the club at a point far down the line?

In any case, how can he make money for himself from transfer fees? Unless he's built a new constitution into the club whereby he gets a bonus from such deals. Highly unlikely. Some fans used to accuse ST of creaming off transfer monies, when that was impossible, given accounts have to be properly 'accounted for' and professionally signed off.

blackandtangerine · 12/2/2019 12:30 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Jumping back to Mark Ogren and his stated intention to make money:- "=16pxThis isn't a hobby for us, and we expect to make money long-term but, let me say, for that to happen we need to be competing in the Ladbrokes Premiership on a continual basis."

I'm wondering if, when he talks of "long term", it's really nothing to do directly with transfer cash, but rather as a sell-on of the club at a point far down the line?

In any case, how can he make money for himself from transfer fees? Unless he's built a new constitution into the club whereby he gets a bonus from such deals. Highly unlikely. Some fans used to accuse ST of creaming off transfer monies, when that was impossible, given accounts have to be properly 'accounted for' and professionally signed off.

Easily done. Ask Jackie McNamara, Simon Donnelly and Darren Jackson. They got a nice percentage off any moves .

Tangy · 12/2/2019 12:38 pm

He owns the majority of the shares in club.
Club makes profit
Shareholders get dividend

Thats as simple as it is. If he can make money and give us a team who we can be proud of then everybody is a winner

PatReilly · 12/2/2019 12:39 pm

blackandtangerine wrote:
Easily done. Ask Jackie McNamara, Simon Donnelly and Darren Jackson. They got a nice percentage off any moves .

Aye, but they were employees, not owners/shareholders. Maybe Tony Asghar has an element in his contract to allow him a percentage.

I can only see the owners making money in a similar manner if they allowed a pay out of dividends in profitable years to the shareholders, ie themselves.

PatReilly · 12/2/2019 12:40 pm

Tangy wrote:
He owns the majority of the shares in club.
Club makes profit
Shareholders get dividend

Thats as simple as it is. If he can make money and give us a team who we can be proud of then everybody is a winner

Sort of written that above: but is that part of the club's constitution?

blackandtangerine · 12/2/2019 12:47 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Tangy wrote:
He owns the majority of the shares in club.
Club makes profit
Shareholders get dividend

Thats as simple as it is. If he can make money and give us a team who we can be proud of then everybody is a winner
Sort of written that above: but is that part of the club's constitution?

AGM is coming up soon. If anything was to change im sure we'd find out.

redford_must_score · 12/2/2019 1:00 pm

I think it's important to keep reminding ourselves where we were before the Ogrens stepped in. And that was a very bad place.
Off the park, mortgaged up to the hilt, on the park very poor side struggling to get out of a very poor division.

Mark Ogren has invested millions to clear the debt, acquire the controlling shares.

If the same Mark Ogren gives us financial security as a club, and Premiership football
I for one would very happy to see him "make money" through player transfers via dividends.

PatReilly · 12/2/2019 1:47 pm

Hey RMS, I'm not complaining, just responding to earlier questions.Quite happy if we get good enough players which wealthier clubs want too. And for Mark Ogren to make us stable and a wee bit richer.

Would prefer if he reinvested all money that the club makes, but that maybe seems churlish.

redford_must_score · 12/2/2019 4:25 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Hey RMS, I'm not complaining, just responding to earlier questions.Quite happy if we get good enough players which wealthier clubs want too. And for Mark Ogren to make us stable and a wee bit richer.

Would prefer if he reinvested all money that the club makes, but that maybe seems churlish.

Hi Pat, I wasn't saying you were complaining, not at all. It's certainly a whole lot better discussing how our owners might make money than talking about Csaba, and mystery last minute loans etc !

Macbonzo · 13/2/2019 8:55 pm

PatReilly wrote:
blackandtangerine wrote:
Easily done. Ask Jackie McNamara, Simon Donnelly and Darren Jackson. They got a nice percentage off any moves .

Aye, but they were employees, not owners/shareholders. Maybe Tony Asghar has an element in his contract to allow him a percentage.

I can only see the owners making money in a similar manner if they allowed a pay out of dividends in profitable years to the shareholders, ie themselves.

I'm glad you posed that question and not me.