JerryDungle wrote:

redford_must_score wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
Think you're way over the top here, having a go at the lifeblood of the club is not the answer.

 
Correct. It was a hysterical reaction to the defeat.

But he has consistently posted hatred towards Ogren and now Goodwin.
Maybe they sacked him from his job in the club shop because he is seriously nasty about Ogren and here he is now telling us we're stupid for supporting the club we love.

 
You’ve contradicted yourself there, it’s not hysterical or a reaction when my stance on Goodwin has been very consistent since about the turn of the year.

Please delineate where I’ve been nasty about Ogren or Goodwin? My criticism of the pair of them is purely related to their professional performances, that’s fair, they choose to work in a public profession where they’re being judged on everything they do, and they’ve more than earned that criticism. That people on here plead about blind loyalty like a nodding dog says far more about them than it does about me.

 
Calling people nodding dogs is kinda slagging them off wouldn't you say?

Talk about contradiction 🤣

JerryDungle wrote:

redford_must_score wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
Think you're way over the top here, having a go at the lifeblood of the club is not the answer.

 
Correct. It was a hysterical reaction to the defeat.

But he has consistently posted hatred towards Ogren and now Goodwin.
Maybe they sacked him from his job in the club shop because he is seriously nasty about Ogren and here he is now telling us we're stupid for supporting the club we love.

 
You’ve contradicted yourself there, it’s not hysterical or a reaction when my stance on Goodwin has been very consistent since about the turn of the year.

Please delineate where I’ve been nasty about Ogren or Goodwin? My criticism of the pair of them is purely related to their professional performances, that’s fair, they choose to work in a public profession where they’re being judged on everything they do, and they’ve more than earned that criticism. That people on here plead about blind loyalty like a nodding dog says far more about them than it does about me.

 Loyalty and ongoing support for the CLUB, does not equate to loyalty and unswerving support for the MANAGER.
You can support the club and still hope for a change of manager at some point.
That's plainly obvious and I've been saying for some time now that you have a deep seated hate which can only be explained by something you're not telling us.

Finn Seemann wrote:

I partially agree with JerryD in that the only way we get Ogren to act is to hurt him, even further, in his pocket.

However, that is just not possible with something as commercially irrational as football.  To use his analogy, I don't go to McDonalds because, in my view, the food's crap.  I know what is offered up at Tannadice is also often poor fare but I keep going back as I have an emotional tie to the football club.  An irrational emotional tie from a commercial perspective.

Further, boys not buying their season ticket will further damage the product on the park and lead to even less success.

Goodwin's failure in cup competitions and the inability to produce a competent footballing display against lesser teams with much smaller budgets over years and years of trying shows he is not the coach we need.  That said, with the way football is now and what is apparently needed in the everlasting search for someone to make a few 100k from he is effectively starting from scratch every season and that is clearly not easy for him.  I think he is entitled to receive more from the players who are the continuity on that front.  Players like Sevelj, Graham, Sapsford and Camara.  It's telling that Tait has been given the armband from day one.

I have reluctantly tholed Goodwin up until around the turn of the year, but it is clear now that we could do better.  We could also do a lot worse.

It's the last 7 seven words that make me 'hold fire' on calling for Jim's head.

redford_must_score wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

redford_must_score wrote:

 
Correct. It was a hysterical reaction to the defeat.

But he has consistently posted hatred towards Ogren and now Goodwin.
Maybe they sacked him from his job in the club shop because he is seriously nasty about Ogren and here he is now telling us we're stupid for supporting the club we love.

 
You’ve contradicted yourself there, it’s not hysterical or a reaction when my stance on Goodwin has been very consistent since about the turn of the year.

Please delineate where I’ve been nasty about Ogren or Goodwin? My criticism of the pair of them is purely related to their professional performances, that’s fair, they choose to work in a public profession where they’re being judged on everything they do, and they’ve more than earned that criticism. That people on here plead about blind loyalty like a nodding dog says far more about them than it does about me.

 Loyalty and ongoing support for the CLUB, does not equate to loyalty and unswerving support for the MANAGER.
You can support the club and still hope for a change of manager at some point.
That's plainly obvious and I've been saying for some time now that you have a deep seated hate which can only be explained by something you're not telling us.

 
I really don’t have any sort of deep seated hate for anyone tbh, I don’t know how you managed to confuse my criticism of him as a manager or Ogren as an owner as hatred or a personal attack, I’ve been in Ogren’s company multiple times and he’s been nothing other than totally pleasant every time. I just think Jim Goodwin’s past his sell by here, his footballs beyond unenjoyable to watch, and I would like his departure to be expedited so that we can get someone that wants to play football as the protagonists again. Mark Ogren’s totally unengaged at this point and is quite happy as long as we aren’t in any immediate danger of being relegated.

redford_must_score wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
Think you're way over the top here, having a go at the lifeblood of the club is not the answer.

 
Whether they’re the lifeblood of the club or not is irrelevant, that’s misty-eyed nonsense anyway. If they’d voted with their feet, Jim Goodwin wouldn’t be here right now, that’s a fact. When you have an absentee owner who doesn’t really care about what goes on on the pitch as long as it doesn’t cost him money, then the only way you can get him to listen is by depriving him of money.

The United fans have no one to blame but themselves when they’re watching another season of turgid, cowardly, backwards, hoofball shite. It’s exactly what they signed up for, and it’s exactly what they’ll get.

 
When it came into the public forum that United had received a bid in the region of £1.8m for Will Ferry, your reaction was "we won't see any of that money it will go straight into our greedy owners pocket"

Your reaction could have been that this was great news because we can show the pathway from a club like Cheltenham Town to visibility with United, International recognition and a big transfer, something that would obviously help in persuading others to join United. But there was no balance at all in your comments, just another opportunity to pile into the Chairman you seem to hate with an unhealthy passion.

 
Find any post where I called him greedy.

JerryDungle wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

 
I’m not “angry” at anybody, but the people that have bought season tickets en masse undeniably have a massive portion of the blame in Goodwin still being here, that’s not even up for debate. A season ticket bought this summer, particularly in the loyalty period was a vote in favour of Goodwin, fact.

 
Ok so have you actually done something to create a movement that persuades the fans not to buy a season ticket, did you start an online petition perhaps? Campaign outside the ticket office maybe? Or are you just reliant on every season ticket holder having the same mindset as yourself?
If its the latter I'm just gonna point out its a pretty flawed strategy. Fans buy tickets because they want to watch their team and some cunt venting on a message board isn't going to change that now is it? I'm as pissed off as anyone after last night, read my earlier posts, but you're having a go at the wrong people.

No, cause ultimately I don’t care enough to devote any sort of time to that sort of thing. I just didn’t buy one, I put a poll on here towards the end of last season to get a rough idea of how many people were for and against Goodwin. It was something like 66% in favour of parting ways with him, I understand a messageboard isn’t representative of the feeling of the fanbase as a whole, but it is some form of indication. I doubt the club even cared.

Ultimately though, people have autonomy so can spend their money in whichever way they see fit, however common sense would dictate that if you’re in favour of a change in the dugout, then buying a season ticket is probably the single most counter-intuitive thing you can do to express that feeling.

People that have bought season tickets for this season have zero right to complain when they’re watching yet another campaign of terrorist-ball, while we meander about mid-table and get put out the cups at the first time of asking. You knew what Goodwin is and you knew fine what you signed up for. If you don’t like it, you shouldn’t have bought a season ticket.
 

So was it 8000 season tickets sold last season. I really don’t know but what I do know is if we sold 0 season tickets the club would be in deep, deep shit.
 

JerryDungle wrote:

kdyteejay wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

No, cause ultimately I don’t care enough to devote any sort of time to that sort of thing. I just didn’t buy one, I put a poll on here towards the end of last season to get a rough idea of how many people were for and against Goodwin. It was something like 66% in favour of parting ways with him, I understand a messageboard isn’t representative of the feeling of the fanbase as a whole, but it is some form of indication. I doubt the club even cared.

Ultimately though, people have autonomy so can spend their money in whichever way they see fit, however common sense would dictate that if you’re in favour of a change in the dugout, then buying a season ticket is probably the single most counter-intuitive thing you can do to express that feeling.

People that have bought season tickets for this season have zero right to complain when they’re watching yet another campaign of terrorist-ball, while we meander about mid-table and get put out the cups at the first time of asking. You knew what Goodwin is and you knew fine what you signed up for. If you don’t like it, you shouldn’t have bought a season ticket.
 

So was it 8000 season tickets sold last season. I really don’t know but what I do know is if we sold 0 season tickets the club would be in deep, deep shit.
 

 

It was around 7k I believe.

We’re never gonna sell 0 season tickets, but if that 7k became 4k, questions would be asked, and when the answer came back as Jim Goodwin, you can be sure he’d be out like a shot.

As I mentioned before, you can agree with this in principle, but the reality is totally different.  Even if the hypothetical did become reality you're then looking at someone with no football knowledge picking our next manager.  

It's a shit state of affairs, but starving the club of cash is only going to result in one thing and personally I quite like having a team to follow, even if they are at best mediocre.

Looks like you cant win. Thompson was slated for sitting in a coffee shop while the club went to the dogs....now hes being held up as a bastion on how to run the club.

This isnt the place to defend the club - because it was an awful performance but what has ogren done to deserve such venom. Nothing he does is seen as good.

All I can see was over paid for united thanks to tony, then tried to deal with the fallout which involves making the club support itself.

Yeah, he doesnt live here but i don't understand it

Tangy wrote:

Looks like you cant win. Thompson was slated for sitting in a coffee shop while the club went to the dogs....now hes being held up as a bastion on how to run the club.

This isnt the place to defend the club - because it was an awful performance but what has ogren done to deserve such venom. Nothing he does is seen as good.

All I can see was over paid for united thanks to tony, then tried to deal with the fallout which involves making the club support itself.

Yeah, he doesnt live here but i don't understand it

 
He’s not getting dog’s abuse at all, so you can put that to bed right away. He’s being questioned and criticized because it appears his interest in Dundee United has waned, meanwhile the people that support the club’s hasn’t.

Shedtastic wrote:

Yeah agree, Ogren seemed to be duped by Fat boy but he also had the pandemic to deal with and a club going in a downward spiral.

 
Ogren sold his businesses for over 100 million. He got duped fuck all by the fat controller. He just wasn’t that arsed.

Tangy wrote:

Jerry, more of a general point and not directed at you in particular but theres a lot of bad feeling for ogren.

From my point, it feels like people are upset that hes no longer wanting to let the club run up debt and wants us to live within out means.

 
You really think that's why folk want rid of him?
Running the club self sufficiently is one of the very few bright ideas he and his gang have made.
How about instead imo
-Allowing the fat Hun to run up the debt in the first place and then expect it back, so the supporters suffer.
-Not listen to the supporters who continually warned him about Asghar, double down and say he's "my guy"
-His nonchalant attitude to the situation we were in towards the end of the last relegation season. Then saying if we go down we'll come straight back up like it'll be no big deal.
-Him being hands off when we really need him to take charge and sort the mess out (Capuano was CEO the last time we got relegated in case anyone forgets)
-Sellimg young talent for peanuts to make a quick buck.
-His hot/cold relationship with the DUSF and complete shutdown to the idea of them obtaining a shareholding in the club.
-Finally he just really doesn't come across as bright at all, or as others have said he doesn't appear to have any interest in the club anymore. Like a child who's lost interest and chucks their toy away.

We can do so much better and I for one can't wait to see the back of him.

LocheeArab wrote:

Tangy wrote:

Jerry, more of a general point and not directed at you in particular but theres a lot of bad feeling for ogren.

From my point, it feels like people are upset that hes no longer wanting to let the club run up debt and wants us to live within out means.

 
You really think that's why folk want rid of him?
Running the club self sufficiently is one of the very few bright ideas he and his gang have made.
How about instead imo
-Allowing the fat Hun to run up the debt in the first place and then expect it back, so the supporters suffer.
-Not listen to the supporters who continually warned him about Asghar, double down and say he's "my guy"
-His nonchalant attitude to the situation we were in towards the end of the last relegation season. Then saying if we go down we'll come straight back up like it'll be no big deal.
-Him being hands off when we really need him to take charge and sort the mess out (Capuano was CEO the last time we got relegated in case anyone forgets)
-Sellimg young talent for peanuts to make a quick buck.
-His hot/cold relationship with the DUSF and complete shutdown to the idea of them obtaining a shareholding in the club.
-Finally he just really doesn't come across as bright at all, or as others have said he doesn't appear to have any interest in the club anymore. Like a child who's lost interest and chucks their toy away.

We can do so much better and I for one can't wait to see the back of him.

 
Here, here. You can add in poor budgets in the last 2 seasons.

Tek wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

I partially agree with JerryD in that the only way we get Ogren to act is to hurt him, even further, in his pocket.
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I get JD's point of view also, but starving the club of money is never the way imo.

The two or three times i've seen Utd fans vocalise real anger in my time following the club, it pushed the clubs hierarchy into immediate action. 

August 1998, Fir Park vs Motherwell. £1 to get in, bumper crowd, United just awful from minute 1 to 90.

Near the end a chant of 'Tommy, GTF. Tommy, Tommy GTF' started and reached a crescendo near the end as Motherwell continued to attack our goal. Wee Jim sacked his own Brother the following day.

February 2023, Global Energy Stadium vs Ross County. Relegation staring us in the face. A suicidal Winter transfer window. Ogren in attendance. 4-0 scudding. Fans start singing 'Tony, Tony GTF' and 'Ogren, Ogren GTF'. Two Utd employees got sacked within 48 hours of this. Liam Fox and Tony Asghar. Ogren throwing both under the bus to save himself. 

I'm not calling on anybody getting abused btw, and i truly hope by some miracle we get out of this group and start the season well.

But if we don't, starving the club of money isn't the way. Supporters voicing their displeasure is.
 

 
I’m not outright advocating starving the club of cash, I don’t think things are that irrevocably broken, things were much worse in the latter Thompson/Mike Martin years. The point I’m making is that all these people that were placated by a derby win and a good result against Celtic at the end of last season, and went and bought a season ticket the minute they went on sale needn’t complain when Jim Goodwin does what Jim Goodwin does, cause it’s exactly what they signed up for when they bought their season tickets.

We’ve had 3 seasons of him now, we all know exactly what he is. The result the other night shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone, we know he doesn’t take the cups seriously. When we go back to a back 3 for the rest of the season after a bad result playing 4-3-3, and we sit in at home to Kilmarnock, St. Johnstone and St. Mirren, and Ross Graham’s aimlessly lumping balls up to the strikers, and we’re relying on throw ins and corners to create chances, and we’re out the cups with a whimper within the first couple of rounds, folk that bought season tickets needn’t start greeting about how shite it all is, because you knew exactly what you were getting when you bought your season ticket. You’ve had 3 and half years to figure out it’s not gonna get any better on those fronts. He is what he is.

United fans have nearly as much blame as anybody for allowing mediocrity to creep in at every level of our club, in the boardroom, at management level and on the pitch. Being also-rans is just meekly accepted now, everyone gets an easy ride at Tannadice now. I can’t remember the last time I seen people properly angry at Tannadice, it probably was around the time of that Ross County game. Even the relegation, people seemed to just decide none of it was Jim’s fault, despite losing every game after the split.

Relegation, Derby defeats, one of of which was 4 going on 7, another being our first Scottish Cup defeat to them since before the Beatles were formed, never getting through more than two knockout ties of any cup (the two being against Ayr and Spartans), getting beat by Montrose, Spartans, QotS, actively following one of our rival teams, doing nothing about the same constant defensive errors that happened with the same 3 or 4 players for a whole season, and going by the other night, are still going to continue. Nothing seems to bother people when it comes to Teflon Jim the Tim, we’ll just have a meek grumble every now and then and move on once he sneaks a meaningless win against Aberdeen or Livingston, we move on.

He’s shite, completely and utterly shite, and no one seems to notice or care. They’re just happy he’s not Liam Fox or Csaba Laszlo. Jim McLean once said “If you accept mediocrity, that’s most certainly what you’ll get”, well United fans have most certainly accepted mediocrity.

Last edited by JerryDungle (16/7/2026 8:10 am)