I’m sick of this
3-0 defeat is simply not good enough
We don’t have any real excuses ( yes I know we have players out )
It’s no like we played all the young team ffs.

lifesanocean wrote:

Tek wrote:

Absolute shite today. In every way. But it's always the bloody same at that ground.

Sick of seeing us always being beyond pathetic at Rugby Park, and also wtf do we always play in our away strip there? Just a wee thing, but it annoys me.

Goodwin has gotten a lot of praise recently and rightly so, only fair that he takes his fair share of criticism for that today, as some of that is on him. Not just the line-up, but also the subs and when they were made.

My player ratings - 

Richards 6 - Simply not good enough for United, even as a back-up. Pathetic at their first goal and is nowhere near commanding enough and aggressive enough. Also parried one shot that was easily catchable. Time to move him on.

Naamo 6 - Doesn't do enough for me. Far too quiet and doesn't drive down the wing like Luca (and even Strain to an extent) does. 

SCH 5 - I've held off saying this for awhile as he's just a young lad, but i simply don't get the hype surrounding him or the clamour to get him game time. He's never really impressed me. We dropped our best defender for him today. Bizarre from Goodwin. He should have spent the full season at a Dunfermline or an Arbroath in the Championship. We've wasted a full year of his development. Not ready for our first team. That much is clear.

Graham 5 - Just don't think he's good enough for where we want to be. Type of guy we should let go and he ends up at St.Johnstone.

Kerezstes 5 - Back to taking too long on the ball and just switching off too often.

Ferry 7 - Probably our MotM, but it was a low, low bar.

Camara 5 - Should have been subbed off at half time. Hopeless. Lost count of the amount of times he slipped.

Agyei 6 - His first poor game for United. I hope it isn't linked to him wearing his hair up now (i'm wildly superstitious in case you've never noticed before). Looked well off it today.

Farrugia 6 - My opinion of him hasn't changed. He's tidy enough on the ball, but has zero attacking threat really. I know Goodwin likes versatile players but for me he's not good enough to be a starting choice winger and would only be a back-up Wing Back going forward.

Watters 0 - Why does he start every game? Fucking Hell, he's awful. Never seen a 'Striker' who offers less attacking threat. Apart from maybe, Van Der Sande. Goodwin's recruitment record on Strikers is poor. Two of our worst ever have played in back to back seasons.

Subs -

Russell 6 - What was the point of signing him? Why drag him away from his family in the US just to waste his time like this? He must wonder wtf Goodwin is up to. Yes, i know he had a calf injury but he's been back training for 2/3 weeks now. He should have essentially been given a 5 game trial to see if there was anything left in the tank. As it is we've just wasted his and our own time. 

Dolcek 6 - Hasn't scored since last Summer. Hasn't started a game since Spartans in the Cup (where he played well), barely seen since. If i was him i would be knocking Goodwin's office door on Monday morning and demanding i am given a start at Pittodrie. That is if he even cares, he's probably long past the stage where he does.

Sevelj 5 - Can only assume he was carrying a knock, because why else would you drop him when him and Agyei have clicked so effectively.

Stirton 5 - Another waste of time. Brought him away from Airdrie to just give him 5 minutes in a game that was long over as a contest. Wtf is the point? Another player who's had a full year of his development wasted.
 

You missed Sapsford so I'll rate him instead: 0. Shite yet again.
 

 
For some time now we have been a team that doesn't create chances for centre fowards.

Tek wrote:

Sapsford 5 - Wtf has happened to him, seriously? A shadow of the player he was. We've heard every excuse under the Sun i.e. he's not had a good enough rest, he's burnt out, he's homesick, the Scottish Winter has depressed him, the Bondi Beach atrocity affected him. None of that excuses missing the chances he has in the past few weeks. That on top of just how slow and ponderous he is now. It's like watching a different player. It is very frustrating. Has the ability been coached out of him? Maybe, far too much shite about tracking his man and defending from the front filling his head? When he first signed he used to terrify defenders by running directly at them. We haven't seen that now for months. Another player who has shown a huge drop-off in form (Sapsford, Watters, Camara, Dolcek, Keresztes) compared to when they first signed.

 

This was a point i made in my edited post.

@arabdownsouth

If we think about when Pan Camara's drop off started too it was after the Ayr match. The game where he scored his only goal and then made honest comments in the press about ignoring Goodwin's demands from the touchline i.e. to 'sit in'.

A coincidence that he hasn't kicked a ball since 
 

Tek wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

You missed Sapsford so I'll rate him instead: 0. Shite yet again.
 

Can't disagree.

It's almost at the stage now where i think we'll never again see the Sapsford that we did in 2025.

Almost like it was a flash in the pan.
 

 
And two of his most memorable goals he created for himself.
The goal at the Shed end v The Rangers when he ran from the half way line and chipped Butland beautifully and the goal v Celtic at the ET end when he swiveled and curled in a fantastic strikers goal.

Somehow we created chances for Dalby but this new side and system doesn't create for strikers. We seem unable to prise a defence apart to create a scoring chance for anyone in front of goal. A lot of our goals have come from throws and corners.

Fatah also frequently created his own.

It's a coaching problem. Lack of coaching ability in our dugout.

Shite, but hardly a surprise on that pitch.

Goodwin talked all week about how great Sevelj and Ayegi play together then dropped Sevelj (if he had a knock, you don't bring him on at all on that pitch)

Then he changes the defence, SCH has the attributes, but is still raw, putting him alongside the chuckle brothers isn't helping his development, and again Watters gets minutes.

We owe nothing to any other team in the league, we should've started Stirton, Adams, SCH maybe another one or two, or kept a winning team on the pitch.

Dominating possession, creating more chances, yet coming away pumped 3-0, if only we had a forward option that could contribute more than Watters, a fucking training cone would offer more.

If we played more kids, fans would be more understanding, cut a bit of slack, accept that it's about the bigger picture.

I really feel for Bert, one short backpass that led to a goal in one game, and left exposed for pace v Dundee in that derby loss due to Camara giving them an assist, then put up against Maeda, where he was stripped for pace. He's our player, he's on a permanent deal, maybe he's not the answer, but i'd be giving him game time, try to rediscover the player from the start of the season, rather than persist with Kerezstes and Graham who time and time again have fucked up and are out of contract, yet here we are exercising options and talking of paying fees.

I suppose though that it's probably been decided Bert is off given the fact he's disappeared off the face of the earth, but there's absolutely no doubt he's been hung out to dry whereas others get another chance week after week to atone for the previous weeks errors.

It's all a bit meh! Livingston relegated so one shite pitch gone, and yesterday we had the chance to put Killie and their wee arsehole manager under the cosh and we defend like school kids.

FFS United.
 

redford_must_score wrote:

Repeating myself here but Bert would probably be fine in a back 4 when asked to do the basics of defending.
Iovu and KK same thing. Certainly better than what they're currently being asked to do.
We are playing a defensive system that doesn't suit the defenders we have.
It's because the manager won't admit that with a couple of exceptions his 343 system failed and it's almost certainly cost us top 6 this season. (And the money that goes with it)

Also anyone could see our midfield 2 was getting overrun yesterday and needed an extra body in there to beef it up. But no, he left it until we were 2 down to fix it. Why? This is why I find it difficult to commit 100% to Jim Goodwin.

 
May I interject? He's a stubborn cunt and its his way or the highway

I'm at a loss now with what's happening at United.

We looked brilliant last weekend and dominated Dundee with relative ease, but then we go to Killie and 3 mistakes cost us.

The first goal - how can a Killie defender go unchallenged like that in the box?  Unsurprisingly Watters is meant to be marking him and is at least a couple of yards off him.

The second goal - Keresztes makes an arse of his challenge, Graham is powderpuff in his challenge and it appears that only Agyei is busting a gut to get back to cover.

The third goal - SCH clearly wasn't aware there was a player closing him down from behind.  Is that his fault or should Richards be letting him know?  Either way, another totally avoidable goal conceded.

I was more lenient previously on my thoughts on players and the manager, but that's not going to get us anywhere.

Goodwin needs to seriously look at how poor we play in the current system he stands by.  I get he doesn't want to admit it's wrong, but our position in the table doesn't lie.  The majority of comments from fans also should give him enough feed back on how the system is seen by the lifeblood of the club.

Keepers - cut Richards loose.  AMB is good enough as back up, but he's not first team material, IMO.  Would he accept being a number 2?  I can't comment on Adams as I've never seen him.

Defence - punt KK, keep Graham but give the captaincy to someone else as I think this is a burden he doesn't need.  Iovu has potential and has improved a lot of late.  My mind isn't made up about SCH, so I reckon a year on loan at a Championship team would help him.  I hope Ferry stays, but I can't see it.  I'm not convinced that Naamo is a starter, but is acceptable as back up at this point.  Strain can go with my best wishes.

Midfield - I think Goodwin needs to take the shackles off the central midfielders a bit.  They need to have the ability to create, but they are swamped by having to cover/protect the back 3 too much.  IMO Faruggia is the modern day Hamish French - possibly a decent player that just isn't quite good enough for this level but still manages to get more game time than his abilities deserve.

Get Watters out of the club.  I think he is having a detrimental effect on the other attacking players as they have to cover for his missing in action approach to football.  I like to try and appreciate even the smallest attributes that a player can bring to a team, but this guy is a footballing black hole.

The fringe players that started well but haven't featured much/at all of late - eg Dolcek, Camara, Esselink, Eskesen.  Have they all been black listed by the manager for fallouts, disagreements, petty shit?  All 4 have looked as a minimum at this level to be decent players but hey are consistently being overlooked.  Why?

On a side note, whilst I'm in Monday morning rant mode, why have United not revealed the contract length of Agyei when it is a question that a lot of fans are asking?  Every other signing they have made, the contract type/length has been clearly laid out in the press releases, but this one seems to be some sort of national security level type secret that has been buried deeper than some of the names in the Epstien files.

Last edited by Macho Man (04/5/2026 8:44 am)

Macho Man wrote:

I'm at a loss now with what's happening at United.

We looked brilliant last weekend and dominated Dundee with relative ease, but then we go to Killie and 3 mistakes cost us.

The first goal - how can a Killie defender go unchallenged like that in the box?  Unsurprisingly Watters is meant to be marking him and is at least a couple of yards off him.

The second goal - Keresztes makes an arse of his challenge, Graham is powderpuff in his challenge and it appears that only Agyei is busting a gut to get back to cover.

The third goal - SCH clearly wasn't aware there was a player closing him down from behind.  Is that his fault or should Richards be letting him know?  Either way, another totally avoidable goal conceded.

I was more lenient previously on my thoughts on players and the manager, but that's not going to get us anywhere.

Goodwin needs to seriously look at how poor we play in the current system he stands by.  I get he doesn't want to admit it's wrong, but our position in the table doesn't lie.  The majority of comments from fans also should give him enough feed back on how the system is seen by the lifeblood of the club.

Keepers - cut Richards loose.  AMB is good enough as back up, but he's not first team material, IMO.  Would he accept being a number 2?  I can't comment on Adams as I've never seen him.

Defence - punt KK, keep Graham but give the captaincy to someone else as I think this is a burden he doesn't need.  Iovu has potential and has improved a lot of late.  My mind isn't made up about SCH, so I reckon a year on loan at a Championship team would help him.  I hope Ferry stays, but I can't see it.  I'm not convinced that Naamo is a starter, but is acceptable as back up at this point.  Strain can go with my best wishes.

Midfield - I think Goodwin needs to take the shackles off the central midfielders a bit.  They need to have the ability to create, but they are swamped by having to cover/protect the back 3 too much.  IMO Faruggia is the modern day Hamish French - possibly a decent player that just isn't quite good enough for this level but still manages to get more game time than his abilities deserve.

Get Watters out of the club.  I think he is having a detrimental effect on the other attacking players as they have to cover for his missing in action approach to football.  I like to try and appreciate even the smallest attributes that a player can bring to a team, but this guy is a footballing black hole.

The fringe players that started well but haven't featured much/at all of late - eg Dolcek, Camara, Esselink, Eskesen.  Have they all been black listed by the manager for fallouts, disagreements, petty shit?  All 4 have looked as a minimum at this level to be decent players but hey are consistently being overlooked.  Why?

On a side note, whilst I'm in Monday morning rant mode, why have United not revealed the contract length of Agyei when it is a question that a lot of fans are asking?  Every other signing they have made, the contract type/length has been clearly laid out in the press releases, but this one seems to be some sort of national security level type secret that has been buried deeper than some of the names in the Epstien files.

 
The only thing I'd disagree with is us looking brilliant against Dundee, at no point did we look anything more than ok in my opinion and if luck hadn't been with us in the first half it could have been a totally different outcome. We looked really good against Celtic and at Dens but for the most part this season we have looked at best bang average and more often just shite. Goodwin can go for me and take his failing system with him. We also need to find a bloody reliable keeper, its staggering how bad our recruitment has been in that department.

BMT wrote:

“Fair enough I couldn’t see many young players in with a shout for the derby but yesterday was a prime opportunity as we were unlikely to get anything even with our ‘strongest’ team.“

FFS they are in the play off spot for a reason , I know all about our record against them and I don’t care if some people think we have nothing to play for but for me that result is just not acceptable for the fans who paid good money to travel down there and Derby not included Jim still needs to prove he can get results in the post split fixtures and this is not a good start.

 
Exactly

RogerTheAlien wrote:

When most of us on here expected Killie to beat us, that says a lot about our season & where we are as a club just now.

 
Fair point

Under the pundit Killie have picked up 16 points at home and 2 away, their bullshit pitch is definitely an advantage for them