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Manager of the month for March.
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Stillliving wrote:
Manager of the month for March.
Deservedly so. Should’ve been 9/9 as well.
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Where do you all stand on Goodwin now that we’re basically safe
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JerryDungle wrote:
Where do you all stand on Goodwin now that we’re basically safe
I'm still disappointed in him tbh, but its probably irrelevant as he's going nowhere now.
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Despite United defeating Livingston 3-2 today that performance illustrated everything that is rotten about our coaching team.
A defence that was all over the place. A midfield that had no craft, no creativity, and an attack featuring one of the worst players ever to wear our number 9 shirt. We looked again like a group of players who had never met.
Giving the ball away easily, trying long passes with no chance of success, even short passes seemed a challenge, no bite in the tackle, no aggression in the air. Let the ball bounce once and hope it bounces again so I can get it under control. No cohesion. Terrible decision making.
An absolute embarrassment.
This coaching team are not coaching. There's no identity, no style, no cohesion. They're throwing 11 players onto the pitch and hoping they click. Occasionally they do, but it papers over the cracks. When it doesn't they just make substitutions in the hope that throwing the dice will land on a 6. It's guesswork.
We won today but for over 90 minutes I was embarrassed to watch my team.
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JerryDungle wrote:
Where do you all stand on Goodwin now that we’re basically safe
I hate his negative attitude in the multitude of games. Agree that he’s going nowhere though. We started the season and the positivity I had quickly dissipated.
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redford_must_score wrote:
We looked again like a group of players who had never met. They're throwing 11 players onto the pitch and hoping they click.
I agree with most of what you’ve said. The bit above I picked out is why I’ll give Goodwin a bit of leeway. Near enough every season is a mass overhaul with players leaving and a near new team needing built (no just United either).
Sometimes you get lucky (Motherwell this year) and the new players click. Last year the defence was pretty solid and this year it’s pish but we’ve got the same Manager— how does that happen? I think it’s basically a symptom of the modern game for teams of our size. Gonna be a lot of ups and downs due to constant turnover every single season.
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JerryDungle wrote:
Where do you all stand on Goodwin now that we’re basically safe
Two things come in to play for me on this: 1) Whether or not I think United could replace him with someone better and I'm not convinced we could.
2) It's now been almost a calendar year since we announced Ross Goodwin as head of recruitment.
One key attribute of JGs time at United that I've really liked is he's never been scared to let players go regardless of how popular they are in the dressing room and with the fans. McMann, Docherty, Gallagher, Babunski, VDS, Moult being the ones that stand out in my head as ones that many fans wanted to keep for various reasons and looking at what they've gone on to do since, Goodwin's definitely made the right choices.
I fully believe that Goodwin will attempt to fix the defence, there's no way he's loyal enough to certain players and he's proven that over the years. I have a suspicion that the unpopular move with elements of our support this year is going to be to get rid of Ross Graham. He's not all that young any more, has made a few costly mistakes and hasn't been too comfortable in the middle of the back 3, and I'm not having a go at him cause it's not an easy job. He's either getting flung back to left CB or got rid of.
I reckon Goodwin is easily ruthless enough to get rid of every CB at the club, and he'll punt SCH out on a proper loan.
This brings in the second point, which is Ross Goodwin and recruitment. He would have been behind signing a number of players last summer, and I'd love to know which ones were his signings and which ones were perhaps already on the list before he came in the door. The signing of Agyei and him getting up to fitness has been a key factor in our recent run of decent results and it does make me wonder what could have been if Pappoe had stayed fit as he was of a similar style of play from what we saw in Europe. You would imagine that plucking a Ghanaian boy out the Israeli league in the middle of January has the hallmarks of someone doing recruitment full time rather a connection of the manager. The success of this signing alone has given me some optimism for this summer as it means that the issues were recognised by the two Goodwin's and they made attempts to fix it, that alone is better than you'll get with most managers on the Scottish merry go round.
Goodwin in for me. Though if he makes a balls of up it next season then I'm ready to boo and blame Ogren for keeping him ![]()
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I'm standing in the Goodwin tent, pissing out, rather than outside pissing in, for now.
The recent run of games, Dundee, St Mirren, Celtic, Livvi, even to a degree Rangers away, be a bit more attack minded, give the opposition more to worry about, has shown a bit more bravery can bring rewards.
Falkirk way, maybe he got that wrong, but none of us i'd expect would have much of an issue with him (by last season's placing) if we have/had a disappointing season, if we set out to be less negative. Win, lose, draw try to win the game from the off, you get cut some slack.
I know he's signed these players, maybe not in the old fashioned way of a scout identifying them, and going watch them, but he has the final say, he coaches them, he does the tactics, but once your squad is set you have to run with what you've got.
If it wasn't the keeper, each defender comes up short, all the tactics/instructions in the world can't sort out Iovu trying to be too clever on Saturday, Ross Graham not forcing the attacker onto his weaker foot, the keeper, going down in instalments and that's just one game.
In today's game, you can't just do the hairdryer treatment or call players out in the media, but he'll know exactly what's needed, maybe he'll even get a bit of pressure from above as well, Ogren would've seen the European games, been excited about these sexy foreign players (saleable values) and be as disappointed as us, but for maybe different reasons.
A hard, but potentially exciting summer, bar a catastrophic series of results, we're safe, probably finishing 7th-8th and in the coming weeks i'd hope we'll hear about contract offers, departing players and maybe some pre-contracts.
If it's another round of eastern european bargain basement defenders incoming, or giving new deals to players who haven't been good enough over the course, then I'll rethink my stance.
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I watched Rangers Falkirk yesterday and thought Falkirk were woeful defensively. Donaldson is still a diddy and the boy Henderson is no better than any of our defenders. McGlynn can be all the coach he wants, but picking and captaining Donaldson is bonkers.
Here is why I think we stick with Goodwin. Even the much vaunted McGlynn is hamstrung with the complete lack of decent local defensive players. That's why we need to take risks and go hunting abroad. I think all of Graham, Sam Ch, KK and Iovu are decent young players. I don't think there is a leader amongst them though. We get shot of Bert. put Sam CH out on loan and bring in a leader we'll be OK.
I'd clear out the keepers and bring in a tried and tested from somewhere alongside a Kucherenko type as his understudy, unless we think Adams has the potential to take the bench role next year.
We need an upgrade on Watters. I don't think the antipodeans are true centre forwards. We need a Ferry replacement and probably a Strain one too.
I'd like to see less change next season. I'm hoping our pre-seasons can replace Fatah, but that is a longshot and we do need someone that can be the next Stephenson. I'm hoping Liverpool have liked what we have done there and let us have more young talent at that level.
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japanarab wrote:
redford_must_score wrote:
We looked again like a group of players who had never met. They're throwing 11 players onto the pitch and hoping they click.
I agree with most of what you’ve said. The bit above I picked out is why I’ll give Goodwin a bit of leeway. Near enough every season is a mass overhaul with players leaving and a near new team needing built (no just United either).
Sometimes you get lucky (Motherwell this year) and the new players click. Last year the defence was pretty solid and this year it’s pish but we’ve got the same Manager— how does that happen? I think it’s basically a symptom of the modern game for teams of our size. Gonna be a lot of ups and downs due to constant turnover every single season.
Surely players can learn to gel over the course of a year. If they can't then that's a massive problem.
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A manager keeping his job or being sacked is all based on very marginal moments in matches.
At half time in the last game of last season UTD were sitting in 6th and looking like throwing away Europe with JGs coat on a shortly peg. 45m later he is a hero with loud calls to extend his contract.
If you turn the one ( albeit disastrous) 3-0 home reverse against Falkirk around we would have made the top six.
I think the current team is an upgrade on last seasons teams, the squad is definitely better.
Keep JG for me
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redford_must_score wrote:
Despite United defeating Livingston 3-2 today that performance illustrated everything that is rotten about our coaching team.
A defence that was all over the place. A midfield that had no craft, no creativity, and an attack featuring one of the worst players ever to wear our number 9 shirt. We looked again like a group of players who had never met.
Giving the ball away easily, trying long passes with no chance of success, even short passes seemed a challenge, no bite in the tackle, no aggression in the air. Let the ball bounce once and hope it bounces again so I can get it under control. No cohesion. Terrible decision making.
An absolute embarrassment.
This coaching team are not coaching. There's no identity, no style, no cohesion. They're throwing 11 players onto the pitch and hoping they click. Occasionally they do, but it papers over the cracks. When it doesn't they just make substitutions in the hope that throwing the dice will land on a 6. It's guesswork.
We won today but for over 90 minutes I was embarrassed to watch my team.
This is spot on