Tekel Towers » Who replaces the Manager in the summer?

Conway11 · Today 1:04 pm

Who would you want in?

MockChop · Today 1:15 pm

I’d welcome Stephen Robinson. Or Michael O’Neill.

David_Blunkett · Today 1:19 pm

I honestly don't have a clue, the Motherwell manager springs to mind, but is this just a flash in the pan when only really they and Hearts are performing a level above what we'd expect? Would he leave Motherwell for us which sadly wold be a step backwards based on the current state of play?

So that's not an option.

Some might say McGlynn, but we've done it twice in recent times, come up, unknown quantity, finished 4th twice, some managers just work at certain clubs.

If there is to be a change you'd hope they're working on it, i don't want a situation where the board are re-signing current players, only for a new guy to come in, but that said Goodwin was in the paper saying he/the club plan to sit down with the out of contract players in the next few weeks.

So the initial question might be moot.

Stillliving · Today 1:25 pm

Remove this thread until the end of the season.

Shedtastic · Today 1:37 pm

Conway11 wrote:
Who would you want in?

Your hatred of the man is unhealthy.

Macho Man · Today 1:43 pm

Stillliving wrote:
Remove this thread until the end of the season.

Genuine question, why?

You'd like to think that the board would have been thinking about Goodwins replacement the moment he signed. If Goodwin walks tomorrow, we would want to have an idea of who we would like to replace him, or at least for the bare minimum a list of attributes that the next manager would have.

I've backed him blindly for quite a while, but to me the cracks are appearing and I don't see Goodwin as being the type of character to change how he approaches his job. He is religiously sticking by the 3 at the back when it has been clear from August/September that its not working for us. We've won 6 (six) games out of 26 this season and that's not good enough, regardless of what he managed to do 24 and 12 months ago.

JerryDungle · Today 1:57 pm

Don’t know if he’d come, probably not, but my first choice would be John McGlynn.

Finn Seemann · Today 2:17 pm

I'm in the 'this thread does more harm than good' camp, but Macho's comments has made me comment.

I'm quite sure that our owner is not thinking about who might be next. This is the idiot who left Asghar free rein. Even if he was thinking about it, I suspect he actually has very little idea of who is in the market.

McGlynn is never going to be our manager. He had one go at a club with expectations and he's not going to repeat that. Robinson isn't doing a good job in Paisley. No way is Mickey O'Neil coming back here. The Motherwell boy is already above our reach too.

This is why this thread is stupid. Whoever we get in next will be a gamble on someone who is already tried and failed elsewhere or on someone we've never heard of. There is every chance that they'll be significantly less good than our current manager.

redford_must_score · Today 2:21 pm

Stillliving wrote:
Remove this thread until the end of the season.

Agreed. Remove this thread until at least the end of the season is my vote too.

Macho Man · Today 2:22 pm

Finn Seemann wrote:
I'm in the 'this thread does more harm than good' camp, but Macho's comments has made me comment.

I'm quite sure that our owner is not thinking about who might be next. This is the idiot who left Asghar free rein. Even if he was thinking about it, I suspect he actually has very little idea of who is in the market.

McGlynn is never going to be our manager. He had one go at a club with expectations and he's not going to repeat that. Robinson isn't doing a good job in Paisley. No way is Mickey O'Neil coming back here. The Motherwell boy is already above our reach too.

This is why this thread is stupid. Whoever we get in next will be a gamble on someone who is already tried and failed elsewhere or on someone we've never heard of. There is every chance that they'll be significantly less good than our current manager.

There is also every chance he could be significantly better too.

David_Blunkett · Today 2:32 pm

We could freeze this thread until the end of the season, which as things stand would be a week on Friday.

RogerTheAlien · Today 2:47 pm

David_Blunkett wrote:
We could freeze this thread until the end of the season, which as things stand would be a week on Friday.

If we lose it definitely is.

Finn Seemann · Today 2:52 pm

Macho Man wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
I'm in the 'this thread does more harm than good' camp, but Macho's comments has made me comment.

I'm quite sure that our owner is not thinking about who might be next. This is the idiot who left Asghar free rein. Even if he was thinking about it, I suspect he actually has very little idea of who is in the market.

McGlynn is never going to be our manager. He had one go at a club with expectations and he's not going to repeat that. Robinson isn't doing a good job in Paisley. No way is Mickey O'Neil coming back here. The Motherwell boy is already above our reach too.

This is why this thread is stupid. Whoever we get in next will be a gamble on someone who is already tried and failed elsewhere or on someone we've never heard of. There is every chance that they'll be significantly less good than our current manager.
There is also every chance he could be significantly better too.

On the basis of who is 'out there' and who is recruiting, I admire your optimism.

Macho Man · Today 2:57 pm

Finn Seemann wrote:
Macho Man wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
I'm in the 'this thread does more harm than good' camp, but Macho's comments has made me comment.

I'm quite sure that our owner is not thinking about who might be next. This is the idiot who left Asghar free rein. Even if he was thinking about it, I suspect he actually has very little idea of who is in the market.

McGlynn is never going to be our manager. He had one go at a club with expectations and he's not going to repeat that. Robinson isn't doing a good job in Paisley. No way is Mickey O'Neil coming back here. The Motherwell boy is already above our reach too.

This is why this thread is stupid. Whoever we get in next will be a gamble on someone who is already tried and failed elsewhere or on someone we've never heard of. There is every chance that they'll be significantly less good than our current manager.
There is also every chance he could be significantly better too.
On the basis of who is 'out there' and who is recruiting, I admire your optimism.

Based on the quality of performances, effort and results this season, I admire your pessimism!

Finn Seemann · Today 3:08 pm

Macho Man wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Macho Man wrote:

There is also every chance he could be significantly better too.
On the basis of who is 'out there' and who is recruiting, I admire your optimism.
Based on the quality of performances, effort and results this season, I admire your pessimism!

Therein lies the issue. Bar the season Falkirk are having, I think we are pretty much where I expect to be. There is every chance that one of Motherwell, Aberdeen or ourselves have an unexpectedly good season. Last season we performed above expectation. This season, bar Motherwell and Falkirk we are pretty much in the same spot.

We are not playing significantly worse this season, in fact I think we have been better to watch in lots of ways, just significantly shitter at defending.

It looks like we'll end up bottom six but likely safe. I'd have taken that at the start of the season as I didn't think we could repeat last season. I would have been happier with a more settled team however and a more positive attitude when leading games.

So is our unrealistic expectation skewing things?

Macho Man · Today 3:35 pm

I don't think wanting our defence to be able to defend properly until the final whistle is unrealistic. We seemed to manage to do that previously.

At times, we are woeful to watch, we look unfit, we look disinterested, we look lost, we look like a beaten team.

If wanting to have a team that is fit, engaged, wanting to win and prepared to play as a unit is unrealistic, then okay, I'm being unrealistic.

Arabdownsouth · Today 3:43 pm

David_Blunkett wrote:
We could freeze this thread until the end of the season, which as things stand would be a week on Friday.

Could we freeze Conway until the end of the season?

Finn Seemann · Today 4:39 pm

Macho Man wrote:
I don't think wanting our defence to be able to defend properly until the final whistle is unrealistic. We seemed to manage to do that previously.

At times, we are woeful to watch, we look unfit, we look disinterested, we look lost, we look like a beaten team.

If wanting to have a team that is fit, engaged, wanting to win and prepared to play as a unit is unrealistic, then okay, I'm being unrealistic.

First point I'll give you. The defensive recruitments have not been good enough, but the status quo wouldn't have worked either.

I think we are less woeful than last season to watch (bar some behind the sofa style defending). I don't agree on the unfit, disinterested, lost, beaten team - other than Parkhead, (and possibly the 3-0 loss to Falkirk that I didn't see) that has not been the case. We've competed in every game apart from those.

Of course everyone expects, as you say, a team which is fit, engaged, wanting to win and prepared to play as a unit and I have never left a game thinking we failed there. Even at Parkhead. What is unrealistic is expecting this team to be a stick on top 6 team. We were always likely to drop back this season. We get passed Falkirk in the cup and finish seventh or close eighth then I'm OK with that as long as we expect to be pushing top six next season. A poor post split, even if safe then I think Goodwin should expect to go.

Stillliving · Today 5:23 pm

Macho Man wrote:
Stillliving wrote:
Remove this thread until the end of the season.
Genuine question, why?

You'd like to think that the board would have been thinking about Goodwins replacement the moment he signed. If Goodwin walks tomorrow, we would want to have an idea of who we would like to replace him, or at least for the bare minimum a list of attributes that the next manager would have.

I've backed him blindly for quite a while, but to me the cracks are appearing and I don't see Goodwin as being the type of character to change how he approaches his job. He is religiously sticking by the 3 at the back when it has been clear from August/September that its not working for us. We've won 6 (six) games out of 26 this season and that's not good enough, regardless of what he managed to do 24 and 12 months ago.

The way we defend there is every chance we could end up in the battle to avoid the play off place.
We will also be due 3 away games after the split with one of our opponents having to make a 3rd trip to Tannadice.
No UTD fan is happy the way the season is going but IMO the finger pointing and histrionics should only start if or when we are safe from the drop.

Tek · Today 5:33 pm

Conway11 wrote:
Who would you want in?

If Goodwin departs in the Summer i would like Stephen Bradley the Shamrock Rovers Manager.

Has won multiple leagues and Cups with them and also delivered group stage European football.

A proven winner.

kdyteejay · Today 8:09 pm

Finn Seemann wrote:
I'm in the 'this thread does more harm than good' camp, but Macho's comments has made me comment.

I'm quite sure that our owner is not thinking about who might be next. This is the idiot who left Asghar free rein. Even if he was thinking about it, I suspect he actually has very little idea of who is in the market.

McGlynn is never going to be our manager. He had one go at a club with expectations and he's not going to repeat that. Robinson isn't doing a good job in Paisley. No way is Mickey O'Neil coming back here. The Motherwell boy is already above our reach too.

This is why this thread is stupid. Whoever we get in next will be a gamble on someone who is already tried and failed elsewhere or on someone we've never heard of. There is every chance that they'll be significantly less good than our current manager.

My thoughts exactly.

kdyteejay · Today 8:13 pm

David_Blunkett wrote:
We could freeze this thread until the end of the season, which as things stand would be a week on Friday.

I don’t think we have any chance of beating Falkirk a week on Friday due to the number of games we’ve had to play during such a short period of time and the fact we won’t have the services of Fatah, Iovu and possibly Sibbald.

David_Blunkett · Today 8:31 pm

We might not, but as long a I have a hole in my arse i'll never go into a game v Falkirk thinking we should be looking for anything other than a victory.

Arabdownsouth · Today 8:36 pm

kdyteejay wrote:
David_Blunkett wrote:
We could freeze this thread until the end of the season, which as things stand would be a week on Friday.
I don’t think we have any chance of beating Falkirk a week on Friday due to the number of games we’ve had to play during such a short period of time and the fact we won’t have the services of Fatah, Iovu and possibly Sibbald.

Im not seeing Iovu being out as a negative tbh

Arabdownsouth · Today 8:36 pm

David_Blunkett wrote:
We might not, but as long a I have a hole in my arse i'll never go into a game v Falkirk thinking we should be looking for anything other than a victory.

This