Sadly It's an out vote from me.

He has his good points but now the bad far outweigh them.

There doesn't seem to be any consistency to his tactics.  I'm not surprised that the team look all at sorts at times, cos he changes our tactics for each opponent and that creates confusion and uncertainty.  I might be wrong, but the chopping and changing of the tactics hints at a lack of confidence in either himself, the players, or both and that could also affect how the team performs.

I disagree with some of the comments above and think we have brought in some good players.  I think they're not being allowed to play to their strengths as Goodwin's tactics are holding them back or asking them to play a different way from what they are used to.

Unfortunately, I don't think that a simple change in the manager will solve our issues as the man upstairs is also culpable for where we are.

We need Ogren and Goodwin to go and be replaced by people who know what they're doing and who have confidence in what they and the players can do.  If not, then the lack of ambition and poor quality football on show is here to stay for a while yet.

Out unless we see a marked improvement in the next few weeks.

Last season we were awful to watch BUT we got results. This season, we are awful to watch and don't get the results. More often than not, we are 'ok' against the bigger teams but have been awful against the smaller teams. It's his job to put a team out to beat all sides.

Also the team is his teams now. I was happy to cut him slack when  he had the dregs of previous regimes. I believe the players are all reasonably capable but they arent being set up properly. If language is an issue, we need to find a solution but id suggest making the tactics simple to understand.

I don't think blame can be attributed to ogren - he gave him a budget which we are led to believe is the 5th or 6th biggest in the league - therefore, we should be able to expect to play like the 5th or 6th best team in the league. He has got his own staff. Everything is set uo for us to be fighting for the top half of the league

However time and time again, we fail to close out a game.  Off the top of my head, rapid, rangers hearts hibs, we've been in winning positions and made a mess of it. Turning losses or draws into wins would see us a lot better off. Points wise and financially ie had we qualified for the league stage in Europe.

For me, in the next four games, he has to beat Spartans comfortably and in style
At least draw with aberdeen who are also in poor form, draw with falkirk and beat killie to show he has the ability to remain

Should be a third option. A dismissive flap of the hand whilst saying "Meh!"

I just don't care strongly enough either way right at this moment to commit, last season was brutal watching, but necessary, he's tried to do something different, but ultimately he doesn't trust or has realised the players he signed aren't up to it.

The problems we identified probably as far back as August are still there, the stubbornness to change and continue to play his way us costing us.

The fact we never looked at a centre half or striker in the window suggests he thinks those there are good enough.

All tactics, results, formations, signings etc etc it all ultimately falls on him, eventually he may pay the price.

However we don't know what size of budget he has, was he allowed to sign his own players, was money made available in January, is he punching with a hand tied behind his back?

So i'm on the fence a bit, I wouldn't cry if he was sacked, but for that to happen it's an embarrassing cup exit and a poor performance v Aberdeen that'll maybe decide it, so I want him to win these and hopefully kick on. How much pressure is he even under if any?

There's not been any significant rumblings at games yet.

I would absolutely be ok with him walking in the summer, thanks Jim, bye.

But my fear is sacking him now, we get a Kettlewell type joker in, goes on run of 4 wins ang gets a contract Gordon Chisholm style.

Second season is always difficult, top 6 probably gone so unless there's an outstanding candidate i'd be ok with backing him until we get 2-3 wins that probably puts us safe, what's there for a new guy to achieve from now to May?

I don't think either way I can support him next season, but, if he wins the cup..

Last edited by David_Blunkett (05/2/2026 5:53 pm)

David_Blunkett wrote:

All tactics, results, formations, signings etc etc it all ultimately falls on him, eventually he may pay the price.

 
It doesn’t fall on him at all though does it? If we get relegated, it falls on us and the owner. The only price Goodwin has to pay is another sacking on his CV while he walks away with a year’s pay. We’re the ones that will have to pick up the pieces of yet another relegation.

I’ll say it now, if we get relegated again under Mark Ogren’s tenure, I will not put another penny into United until he’s gone. And I’d urge every other fan to do the same.

We’re not some vehicle for him the recoup the money he lost on a bad investment. That he was stupid enough to trust Asghar with his money despite a number of people telling him how untrustworthy he was, isn’t the fans problem.

Last edited by JerryDungle (05/2/2026 7:42 pm)

I’m in, but only because I fear who’d replace him. Results need to improve though

I'm no fan of the obsession with a 3-4-3, nor would I deny that the players who've been brought in have massively underwhelmed, but I think the fundamental mistake has been the change in recruitment policy.

Recruitment for the Championship and the first year back up was good, focused on getting players with the right mindset -- Docherty, Gallagher, Holt, Moult. This season it's been terrible. I think many of these players have potential, and it's worth bearing in mind we've got one of the youngest squads in the division. But without the central spine of players with a winning mentality we've struggled, and confidence is shot to pieces.

I think he's tried to have a reset -- dropping Esselink and Iovu, bringing in Cleall-Harding and (now he's back from injury) Graham. But there aren't many winners around at the moment -- Ferry, Sevelj, Luca, Camara, maybe Sibbald, though he's always been a bit quieter than some of the rest. Two of them are unavailable, and we'll see how long Ferry sticks around.

I'm pretty pessimistic about the rest of the season. I'm not sure, though, who we could bring in who'd get a better tune out of this squad at the moment. I suppose they might at least drop the f**king 3-4-3.

It's weird that he's stuck with the 3-4-3 so long -- though I think it worked OK against Hibs. We had that dip mid-season in the Championship, and he saw things weren't working and made the change. So he's been capable of being flexible about things like this in the past.

We always get worse after Christmas too si the signs are not great. He needs to win the next three games and no excuses or we start sliding towards that play off spot and the writing will be on the wall by the time we get to the split.

Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

I’m in, but only because I fear who’d replace him. Results need to improve though

Twat - take it you're an out...?

Morphman wrote:

It's a narrow "In" for me.

I actually like Goodwin, I think in his post match interviews he's usually correct in his assessment of the game once you read between the lines of the usual media platitudes.

HOWEVER, I said a few weeks ago on here that it seems like with this formation he's adamant on playing that it's simply not possible to address the problems he points out whilst playing the way he wants with the standard of players we have.

If he wants to keep a clean sheet, the chances are it means we'll be eye wateringly bad too watch and draw 0-0 or lose 1-0. If we go for for more open play we tend to draw 2-2 or lose 3-2.

His stubbornness in this formation is what is tiring me, it's absolutely clear as day that we need at least 1 midfielder sitting in front of the defence and 3-4-3 simply doesn't allow it. I'm not buying that it's a personnel issue either, Sibbald can at the very least, do a decent effort in that area, and has done previously.

Goodwin NEEDS to change to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 to give some sort of stability in the middle of the park. I really think doing this simple change will at least change our fortunes somewhat.

If he doesn't, his own stubbornness will see him get the sack in 3 weeks time.

This is me pretty much word for word. Brendan Rogers openly criticized the Celtic board for their lack of investment in the squad and within weeks got his jotters. So as much as I'd love JG to be vindicated by being open about what he's really working with budget wise (is it really as threadbare as some are saying?), I think he's too professional/loyal to do that, at least that's my read on it and I'm not going to go digging into the company accounts as it's way beyond my level of comprehension,. I think those are great traits to have in a leader/manager. I'm not for a second saying that I've been pleased with how the seasons has panned out. But for me it's an in for Jim and co for the time being. 
 

I can see both sides of the argument here but what I will say after watching some of the Dundee v Celtic game today then the highlights on Sportscene is that we are so far behind the performance that the wee team put in today that I’m genuinely starting to worry.
When you look back to the start of the season we had I thought I can’t wait to see this team when they have gelled but it’s just not happening.
The stats’s don’t lie it’s just not good enough and the worst thing is I can’t see it getting any better.

Over the past weeks we've become like the water on the pitch, stagnant.

David_Blunkett wrote:

So, cup draw in 10 or so minutes.

We get a favourable draw, Partick or Pars at home, should we see off Spatans and then regardless of how we feel, we're favourites to make the semis, and as we've seen Celtic haven't turned up for their last 2 finals and lost them, so you never know.

Or, if it's us or Spartans away to Celtic, where we do our usual, would those that want Goodwin out take a Spartans win to force the clubs hand, right now?

I'm not saying folk actively want us to lose, but given the lack of noise from the club, even the fans at games, I just don't think he's being put under any pressure, but a result like that sees him gone or at least decided he won't be at the helm next season.

And if he is gone, what can a new man achieve? Top 6 likely gone, big overhaul of players coming in.

Fuck knows, I never want us to lose but it feels certainly on online mediums there's a groundswell of opinion he should be gone or moving in the summer, if it's gonna happen would it be better now and let a new guy plan for August, would it be a gamble like when Goodwin came in? Albeit I think we've enough points and will pick up enough to be safe whoever is in charge.

 

It's a no from me, I will never see a United defeat as a good thing regardless of circumstances.