The commentary is fucking awful, if it's gonna be the same guy for the Euro ties I'm not gonna bother.

RogerTheAlien wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

The commentary is fucking awful, if it's gonna be the same guy for the Euro ties I'm not gonna bother.

 
You’d think they’d bring in someone for the European games like Rob Mclean, Rory Hamilton or somebody.

 
I certainly hope so,cos that was pure fucking dribble. Didn't have the first idea, and yet spoke like he was an actual united fan. Took him about 20 minutes to realise we'd subbed the keeper,mixed up all the black players too. He'd be better off doing the news at ten tbh

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Snacks94 wrote:

Goodwin confirming its Graham’s hammy and it doesn’t look good, scan on Monday

 
Sounds bad which may be a tear or pull.

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See these injuries - friendlies ??
wtaf !!!
Hex

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
Gonna need two more CBs now,probably end up with only one striker to compensate.

That cannot happen.

We'll just need to suck it up regards big Graham and hopefully see him back in 4-6 weeks.

If we don't sign attackers we ain't winning football matches.
 

JerryDungle wrote:

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
Gonna need two more CBs now,probably end up with only one striker to compensate.

That cannot happen.

We'll just need to suck it up regards big Graham and hopefully see him back in 4-6 weeks.

If we don't sign attackers we ain't winning football matches.
 

 
It doesn’t have to be either or though. We do need another centre half, preferably a left sided one. If the right player comes up do you just not sign him because you haven’t signed a striker yet?

We have a budget for a reason, Goodwin will have accounted for all the positions we need, it’s just a case of waiting for the right player to become available or make his mind up. And I bet no one bats an eyelid when we sign Stephenson despite already having about 5 centre mids.

 
I think it's understandable that some folk are a bit twitchy at this point.
We have again been faced with a massive rebuild which comes as a risk in itself. We've signed players we don't know anything about and need to see how many will be successes.
We're light up front with the clock ticking on Falkirk never mind Luxembourg.
On top of that we're picking up injuries in friendlies which will definitely impact availability for Strassen and probably Falkirk too.

With nothing much else to concentrate on at the moment it's easy to see why fans are impatient/concerned whatever you want to describe it as.

I'm kind of in the middle with it. I trust the club but the worry is if we're holding out for top quality that eventually the player chooses elsewhere and leaves us with poorer options who by that time may have committed elsewhere too. I get that it's a gamble every time.

That said I think we already have enough to see off Strassen but my concern is looking forward to the first league games which are not far away at all.

Edit to add as a just by the way, Kevin Holt left sided CB..... what happened to the urgent operation he needed

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Tek wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

Tek wrote:

That cannot happen.

We'll just need to suck it up regards big Graham and hopefully see him back in 4-6 weeks.

If we don't sign attackers we ain't winning football matches.
 

 
It doesn’t have to be either or though. We do need another centre half, preferably a left sided one. If the right player comes up do you just not sign him because you haven’t signed a striker yet?

We have a budget for a reason, Goodwin will have accounted for all the positions we need, it’s just a case of waiting for the right player to become available or make his mind up. And I bet no one bats an eyelid when we sign Stephenson despite already having about 5 centre mids.

My post was purely hypothetical, but i wouldn't sign another Centre Half if it meant we get one less Striker, no.

Even if Graham is injured we still have Iovu, Esselink, Harding, Dewar, Sevelj, Constable and even Odada who can play the position.

We are in dire need of strikers and wingers and from what i hear the budget for new recruits is very poor.

P.s. i have also said i'm not sure we necessarily need Luca and again wouldn't sign him if it hampers us signing a player who can get us goals or create chances. By far the weakest point in the team.

A lot of our fans (not having a go at you here btw) seem as obsessed as Goodwin at signing Defenders. Yet, bizarrely conservative when it comes to signing Forwards. Even heard a few saying we only need one Striker in as we normally only play one upfront. Dismissing the concept that we may want to rotate players and formations often. Bizarre imo.
 

 
I'm not suggesting we dont need a couple more strikers,we absolutely do, but did you see our defence once we made a raft of substitutions? We are fucked if we end up relying on the current alternatives?

Where are you hearing that our budget is poor? It certainly hasn't looked that way so far.
I'd 100% have Luca back,at least we know his capability at this level and he'll have improved for the experience. Once again I'd refer you to the drop off in team performance without him after the split.

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
I'm not suggesting we dont need a couple more strikers,we absolutely do, but did you see our defence once we made a raft of substitutions? We are fucked if we end up relying on the current alternatives?

Where are you hearing that our budget is poor? It certainly hasn't looked that way so far.
I'd 100% have Luca back,at least we know his capability at this level and he'll have improved for the experience. Once again I'd refer you to the drop off in team performance without him after the split.

We were playing our kids in the 2nd half. Of course there's going to be a 'drop-off'. Not too worried about that. They are only going to be cover. If even that this season.

But right in the here and now, we have very little fire power. Two goals scored in the last 210 minutes of friendlies.

And no Striker at the club has scored yet in pre-season, regardless of circumstances.

As, for the comment about the budget, let me just say i've heard it from more than one person who is privvy to a bit more info than most, that the budget is very disappointing to Goodwin. You're saying it doesn't play out to our recruitment so far. It does, actually.

We let go of 19 players this Summer. Some big earners too like Watt, Moult, Gallagher, Middleton, Docherty.

Got fee's recently for Holt and MacLeod.

Yet, only signed 7 players so far this Summer. We are many, many players down, hence why so many Academy boys have played in the friendlies.

That is why i am so against signing any more Centre Halves before we get some Strikers and Wingers in. I don't trust that the budget extends to anymore than another 5 signings maximum I hope i'm wrong.
 

You mention the fees we've received but dont mention the fact that we've paid fees for some of our signings this summer? As I said initially, I absolutely agree we need more firepower but we also need to strengthen further at the back if Graham's injury is a serious one. Bert went off injured too btw. We have signed more players so far than we had at this point last summer despite our season actually starting later this year

I'll say it again though,I totally agree that we need strikers in pronto.

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If we let 19 players go and brought in only 7 I don't think it's a bad thing, squads can be too big.
Some of the Academy boys would benefit by getting a better chance to show themselves as 1st XI contenders.
DCH has broken through, Stirton not as yet, as he and dozens of others plod away in the Academy or are put out on loan, often to less than exotic places. There will be more DCH's in the Academy, why not bring them to the surface. They don't play nearly enough games either, that needs sorted.
All the SPFL Premier clubs are awash with Europeans who often turn out to be dodgy and no better than what we have here.
It's not a good look and does nothing for the National XI.
Academys have done very little for the benefit of the game thus far. Change needed.
As for bringing in the goal scoring centre forwards, some are looking for 3 or 4. If your main striker gets 12 goals a season that's adequate. Gone are the days of the 30-goal striker, it's a different game now.
And there are none out there anyway so stop looking. Share the goals and defend well, got us 4th last season.
Sorry, bit of a ramble, but I don't like to hear our posters shitting themselves on the dawn of a new season.

United Arab Emarite wrote:

If we let 19 players go and brought in only 7 I don't think it's a bad thing, squads can be too big.
Some of the Academy boys would benefit by getting a better chance to show themselves as 1st XI contenders.
DCH has broken through, Stirton not as yet, as he and dozens of others plod away in the Academy or are put out on loan, often to less than exotic places. There will be more DCH's in the Academy, why not bring them to the surface. They don't play nearly enough games either, that needs sorted.
All the SPFL Premier clubs are awash with Europeans who often turn out to be dodgy and no better than what we have here.
It's not a good look and does nothing for the National XI.
Academys have done very little for the benefit of the game thus far. Change needed.
As for bringing in the goal scoring centre forwards, some are looking for 3 or 4. If your main striker gets 12 goals a season that's adequate. Gone are the days of the 30-goal striker, it's a different game now.
And there are none out there anyway so stop looking. Share the goals and defend well, got us 4th last season.
Sorry, bit of a ramble, but I don't like to hear our posters shitting themselves on the dawn of a new season.

 
Simon Murray scored 20 odd goals the last two seasons at 30 odd years old so dont tell us there are no 20 goal strikers out there. Our academy prospects were outplayed considerably last night too so teams full of Scottish players being successful is a thing of the past. We have to shop in the best markets available to us unfortunately and that's what we are currently doing.

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
I'm not suggesting we dont need a couple more strikers,we absolutely do, but did you see our defence once we made a raft of substitutions? We are fucked if we end up relying on the current alternatives?

Where are you hearing that our budget is poor? It certainly hasn't looked that way so far.
I'd 100% have Luca back,at least we know his capability at this level and he'll have improved for the experience. Once again I'd refer you to the drop off in team performance without him after the split.

We were playing our kids in the 2nd half. Of course there's going to be a 'drop-off'. Not too worried about that. They are only going to be cover. If even that this season.

But right in the here and now, we have very little fire power. Two goals scored in the last 210 minutes of friendlies.

And no Striker at the club has scored yet in pre-season, regardless of circumstances.

As, for the comment about the budget, let me just say i've heard it from more than one person who is privvy to a bit more info than most, that the budget is very disappointing to Goodwin. You're saying it doesn't play out to our recruitment so far. It does, actually.

We let go of 19 players this Summer. Some big earners too like Watt, Moult, Gallagher, Middleton, Docherty.

Got fee's recently for Holt and MacLeod.

Yet, only signed 7 players so far this Summer. We are many, many players down, hence why so many Academy boys have played in the friendlies.

That is why i am so against signing any more Centre Halves before we get some Strikers and Wingers in. I don't trust that the budget extends to anymore than another 5 signings maximum I hope i'm wrong.
 

 
I reckon we’ll still see at least another 5 or 6 coming in. Two wingers (who we seem to be fairly down the line with in terms of signing), two strikers, Stephenson and another centre half. Unfortunately you just have to wait, cause any decent striker isn’t gonna just have us as his only option. Two strikers gives us a lots of options, with Sapsford and Jort (shudder) already there. And I think Goodwin will really want to give Stirton his chance this season.