Middleton:

Fast, makes full backs uncomfortable, hits the bye line.
Got a shot on him now Jim told him to add this to his locker.
Covers an immense and underappreciated amount of ground.
Jim likes him, he likes Tannadice.
24, lot to learn and a willing learner.

Keep.

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

Middleton:

Fast, makes full backs uncomfortable, hits the bye line.
Got a shot on him now Jim told him to add this to his locker.
Covers an immense and underappreciated amount of ground.
Jim likes him, he likes Tannadice.
24, lot to learn and a willing learner.

Keep.

 
2 goals & 3 assists this season so far.

Tek wrote:

Arab87 wrote:

Have been told Danny Armstrong is going to sign with us.

I'd be delighted with that. Better than every winger we have at the club.

He's went a bit stale at Kilmarnock and needs a fresh challenge. Very good player imo.
 

He has gone off the boil at Killie, but he is exactly the type of player our current team needs.  Whether our team next season will, who knows.  Hopefully Goodwin.  If Dalby were to stay (assuming highly unlikely) then Armstrong would be a perfect runner off him and supplier of balls in.

I'd be trying to bring in the young lad (Watson?) who scored two against us at Rugby Park before McInnes takes him with him to Tynecastle.  Probably out of our price bracket though assuming he's still in contract.

Luton have extended Waltons contract by a further year.

For me this is the last 3 games for United.  I think he will get a run or at least a chance in the old English 3rd Division.

Good luck to him, he has been a steady pair of hands in the goal and brought a bit a calm after the blunder from down under.

Finn Seemann wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

This is pretty much where I am on Middleton.  Compared to the season before, he has had a fantastic season.  He's played better in a better league.  If he has been a high earner then I do think it needs to come with a more realistic wage, but I am not too despondent on this.  Hopefully we bring in players who will challenge him for game time and therefore we get the best out of him.  Confidence is a big thing  and he's still only 25 - best years should still be ahead of him.

 
I can’t believe anyone would accuse Middleton of having a fantastic season. He’s been mediocre at best.

Some people need to learn to read.  Middelton was rank rotten last season.  Compared to that he has been fantastic!  I'd say this season he has been mediocre to good (only in spells, not whole games and often played out of position by our great manager).

As for claims of being gaslit (Conway11), I don't think a footy forum is the place for you if you are going to be so sensitive.  I'm not very sure what gaslit actually means but I certainly don't post on here to belittle anyone or their views, but if I think they are talking shit I'll say so.  If people don't agree with what I say, I actually don't give two f*cks.  Gaslit!  Dearie me...

I don't think football is for you if you think Middleton has had a fantastic season. On the 'gaslit' meaning - why comment if you don't know what it means?

From January all we have heard is how good Docherty/Middleton etc are when in actual fact - both are pish. But fans are being given drops of stats and facts when watching the actual play tells you a different story

Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

 
I can’t believe anyone would accuse Middleton of having a fantastic season. He’s been mediocre at best.

Some people need to learn to read.  Middelton was rank rotten last season.  Compared to that he has been fantastic!  I'd say this season he has been mediocre to good (only in spells, not whole games and often played out of position by our great manager).

As for claims of being gaslit (Conway11), I don't think a footy forum is the place for you if you are going to be so sensitive.  I'm not very sure what gaslit actually means but I certainly don't post on here to belittle anyone or their views, but if I think they are talking shit I'll say so.  If people don't agree with what I say, I actually don't give two f*cks.  Gaslit!  Dearie me...

I don't think football is for you if you think Middleton has had a fantastic season. On the 'gaslit' meaning - why comment if you don't know what it means?

From January all we have heard is how good Docherty/Middleton etc are when in actual fact - both are pish. But fans are being given drops of stats and facts when watching the actual play tells you a different story

Dearie me, do I have to point it out in words of one syllable?  I agree with you that Middelton hasn't had a fantastic season.  It's been on the cusp of passable - the point was he's been better, comparatively than last season.

Football is for me.  I watch a lot of it.  I can take pleasure watching football at all tiers in Scotland and take in as much 4-7 tier as I do top tier.  Not everyone has to be prime Maradona for it to be enjoyable.  As others have suggested it is maybe you that needs to re-evaluate what you get out of the game.

Docherty and Middleton are not pish.  Granted I think their true level is bottom of the Prem/top of the Championship and I agree we need to strive for better players, but I am also realistic about where the club is and the quality it can get on to the park.  Would I extend their contracts?  Unless we have likely better players lined up (and in that sense more than one), in Middleton's case yes.  In Docherty's case, I struggle with his absence rate but do accept we play better when he plays.  I think we can probably do better with a more reliable player of his quality so I'd probably let him go.

On gaslit, I obviously do know what it means - some people, it would seem, over use it in situations that are not really gaslighting at all.  The comment is more why would you come on here if you feel people are gaslighting you?  They aren't.  It is a footy forum.  People are going to disagree with you.  If you think people on here give enough of a shit about you to actively seek to gaslight you then on you go...!

You probably think I'm gaslighting you now...

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Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Conway11 wrote:

I don't think football is for you if you think Middleton has had a fantastic season. On the 'gaslit' meaning - why comment if you don't know what it means?

From January all we have heard is how good Docherty/Middleton etc are when in actual fact - both are pish. But fans are being given drops of stats and facts when watching the actual play tells you a different story

Dearie me, do I have to point it out in words of one syllable?  I agree with you that Middelton hasn't had a fantastic season.  It's been on the cusp of passable - the point was he's been better, comparatively than last season.

Football is for me.  I watch a lot of it.  I can take pleasure watching football at all tiers in Scotland and take in as much 4-7 tier as I do top tier.  Not everyone has to be prime Maradona for it to be enjoyable.  As others have suggested it is maybe you that needs to re-evaluate what you get out of the game.

Docherty and Middleton are not pish.  Granted I think their true level is bottom of the Prem/top of the Championship and I agree we need to strive for better players, but I am also realistic about where the club is and the quality it can get on to the park.  Would I extend their contracts?  Unless we have likely better players lined up (and in that sense more than one), in Middleton's case yes.  In Docherty's case, I struggle with his absence rate but do accept we play better when he plays.  I think we can probably do better with a more reliable player of his quality so I'd probably let him go.

On gaslit, I obviously do know what it means - some people, it would seem, over use it in situations that are not really gaslighting at all.  The comment is more why would you come on here if you feel people are gaslighting you?  They aren't.  It is a footy forum.  People are going to disagree with you.  If you think people on here give enough of a shit about you to actively seek to gaslight you then on you go...!

You probably think I'm gaslighting you now...

You're all over the place fella.

First Middleton's had a fantastic season, then its "mediocre to good" now it's just better than last year - have a cup of tea, chill out and pick one. Being less shite than last season doesn't magically make him good.

"I don't know what gaslit means" then turns around to lecture on how I have misused it. Righto.

This isn't about enjoying 4th tier football. It's about calling out pish when its glaringly obvious. Docherty and Middleton aren't good enough. Dressing it up doesn't make it any less of a total loser mindset. You do care. If you didn't you wouldn't be writing essays defending mediocrity and contradicting yourself in the process. 

Conway11 you seem to enjoy confrontation with posters more than actually talking about the game, forums are all about opinions, if everyone was of the same mindset then it would be a very boring place.

Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Conway11 wrote:

I don't think football is for you if you think Middleton has had a fantastic season. On the 'gaslit' meaning - why comment if you don't know what it means?

From January all we have heard is how good Docherty/Middleton etc are when in actual fact - both are pish. But fans are being given drops of stats and facts when watching the actual play tells you a different story

Dearie me, do I have to point it out in words of one syllable?  I agree with you that Middelton hasn't had a fantastic season.  It's been on the cusp of passable - the point was he's been better, comparatively than last season.

Football is for me.  I watch a lot of it.  I can take pleasure watching football at all tiers in Scotland and take in as much 4-7 tier as I do top tier.  Not everyone has to be prime Maradona for it to be enjoyable.  As others have suggested it is maybe you that needs to re-evaluate what you get out of the game.

Docherty and Middleton are not pish.  Granted I think their true level is bottom of the Prem/top of the Championship and I agree we need to strive for better players, but I am also realistic about where the club is and the quality it can get on to the park.  Would I extend their contracts?  Unless we have likely better players lined up (and in that sense more than one), in Middleton's case yes.  In Docherty's case, I struggle with his absence rate but do accept we play better when he plays.  I think we can probably do better with a more reliable player of his quality so I'd probably let him go.

On gaslit, I obviously do know what it means - some people, it would seem, over use it in situations that are not really gaslighting at all.  The comment is more why would you come on here if you feel people are gaslighting you?  They aren't.  It is a footy forum.  People are going to disagree with you.  If you think people on here give enough of a shit about you to actively seek to gaslight you then on you go...!

You probably think I'm gaslighting you now...

You're all over the place fella.

First Middleton's had a fantastic season, then its "mediocre to good" now it's just better than last year - have a cup of tea, chill out and pick one. Being less shite than last season doesn't magically make him good.

"I don't know what gaslit means" then turns around to lecture on how I have misused it. Righto.

This isn't about enjoying 4th tier football. It's about calling out pish when its glaringly obvious. Docherty and Middleton aren't good enough. Dressing it up doesn't make it any less of a total loser mindset. You do care. If you didn't you wouldn't be writing essays defending mediocrity and contradicting yourself in the process. 

Indeed I'm all over the place.  I'll remember to write in binary the next time for your comprehension.  So a player is either pish or not pish and he either ruins our weekends or he doesn't.  Am I getting it?  All our players are pish.  Think I'm mastering this.

I'm beginning to like this gaslighting lark - might try it out elsewhere too.

Anyway mate, roll on the end of the season.  I feel so much of a loser supporting Dundee United, I'm thinking I might not bother next year...actually given we can't afford any players that are 'good enough' maybe we won't have a team anyway.

 

Last edited by Finn Seemann (16/5/2025 2:40 pm)

Fergivicious wrote:

On a lighter note, and maybe a source of joy for this thread... https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/5246720/sam-dalby-dundee-united-transfer-wrexham-contract/?hss_channel=fbp-231801206868967

I think he already knows who is next club will be.

I don't think it's Dundee United.
 

Are Richards and Adam's good enough to be our first team squads keepers next season?, save some money.

On Walton, my daughter in Law may or may not attend the same beauty salon, as the new Mrs Walton.

Their paths may or may not have crossed.

"Fucking hell, back to fucking Luton, I love it up here!" or words to that effect might've been the sort of things she may or may not have heard.

Not that that means anything, but, happy Wife, happy life and all that.


 

David_Blunkett wrote:

On Walton, my daughter in Law may or may not attend the same beauty salon, as the new Mrs Walton.

Their paths may or may not have crossed.

"Fucking hell, back to fucking Luton, I love it up here!" or words to that effect might've been the sort of things she may or may not have heard.

Not that that means anything, but, happy Wife, happy life and all that.


 

 
I may or may not have heard same about Sam Dalby’s partner at a Pilates class !

Sadly though I guess in the end money talks

I’m happy with JG after the last rebuild that he’s the man for the job.

It’s pretty much a whole new team again required