United fans always need to have one guy in the team who gets pelters.  It's currently Odada.

On the one hand that might not be unfair as he really hasn't shown too much but on the other he's had limited game time, is clearly taking longer than others to adapt to the game here and has had a few clear mistakes that have lead to goals for the other team.

For me that is just the way it is when you bring in a player who is otherwise a bench warmer.  I don't think we would have signed him if we knew where he would be in January this season, but we did sign him and we do need to use him so a bit of positivity would be good.

Yes his pass to Sevelj was overhit, but Vicko's control wasn't up to much either.  I think it was the right pass and therefore he was doing what he has been trained to do.  He needs to take some of the blame for that goal, but (and I wasn't at the game) he must have been doing something right to keep us competitive at Parkhead and also not be pulled at half time (as Vicko was - presumably pre-determined).  We'll have had better players utterly fail against Celtic but being part of a midfield that only shipped 2 goals at Parkhead doesn't seem like an utter failure.  

Taking it positively he was part of the team that achieved the main goal of the game (i.e. to protect the goal difference and not take a hammering) and was part of a team that might with a bit of luck come back with a point.

I suspect he'll be off at the end of the season, but also that there is a player in there if we can get confidence levels up.  Of course that is unlikely to happen once injuries are recovered from.

Conway11 wrote:

redford_must_score wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

That just magnifies the lack of options we have in there, that and the fact we need to play Sevelj again tonight despite him looking knackered on Sunday.

Big performance required frim him and hopefully he shows us something.

 
Well he certainly showed us something. And it wasn't something positive. Not easy for any player to shine in that fixture but doing the basics is a minimum requirement.

I'm thinking he's getting one last chance in an upcoming game and if he fails in that the lad is done here. No loans. Away.

Seen on social media he is getting pelters for the first goal lst night, agreed, he should have leathered it away - sevelj could have controlled that

not one critic of Walton (who has played every game) parrying it straight into the 6 yard box??

Odada is clearly not up to speed but feel like people just wait on a mistake to jump on his back
 

 
SM has covered the fact that Walton has lots in the bank to cover any mistakes but also I think he was unsighted to the shot last night.

However as you highlight, he should have cleared the ball or passed it to the feet of Sevelj who was 4 yards away but unfortunately he couldn't complete that pass, the ball was like a hot tattie.

Some want to make out its a witch hunt or that some of us need a boo boy, that certainly ain't the case with me.

Watch the lad the next time you go along if he gets another game and look at how he interacts with his team mates. They don't trust him with the ball it's so obvious. 

He needs coached through the game, never in the right position,  it's hard enough for Gallagher and Graham at the best of times without having to keep an eye on an international midfielder who clearly doesn't know where he should be when we have and don't have the ball.

Englis was just running off him with ease last night he didn't have a clue where he was all night, doesn't win headers, eased off the ball far to easy and can't tackle.

Look at his shot against Dundee the other week, fur fux sake.

We need to strengthen in that area of the park  with a bit of urgency.

Yeah. First goal is awful from all 3. Difference is 2 of those players have been excellent this season. One does that just about every time he gets the ball.

Finn Seemann wrote:

Interestingly speaking to a neutral who understands the game very well and was at the game.  His view was that Odada was 'competent and played well against arguably the best three midfielders in the league'.  He did however question where we got vdS from! And not in a positive way.

By the way I'm not suggesting for a minute that the jury is not still out on Odada, but more that we are potentially too quick to write him off.  Albeit I understand the sentiment.

Van der Sande has little end product anywhere on the park. Frustrating as he competes very well.

Odada looks terrified and shot of any and all confidence. There might well be a player in there but he needs a lot of work on the training ground and things to start going right in games.

Hen Broon wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Interestingly speaking to a neutral who understands the game very well and was at the game.  His view was that Odada was 'competent and played well against arguably the best three midfielders in the league'.  He did however question where we got vdS from! And not in a positive way.

By the way I'm not suggesting for a minute that the jury is not still out on Odada, but more that we are potentially too quick to write him off.  Albeit I understand the sentiment.

Van der Sande has little end product anywhere on the park. Frustrating as he competes very well.

Odada looks terrified and shot of any and all confidence. There might well be a player in there but he needs a lot of work on the training ground and things to start going right in games.

 
The club will not be writing Odada off. But they will have concerns that the talent they saw hasn't been evident in games yet.

I watched the lad play in the reserve derby and I put his terrible performance down to "settling in". New country, new climate, new lifestyle, different food, all the things that can take a foreign player a bit of time to adjust to.

His performance was almost alarming. Maybe he was trying too hard to impress among players he considered to be of lower pedigree. He had difficulty controlling the ball, keeping it under control, and had difficulty trying to pass it.  His mis control caused him to follow the ball when he should have reverted to his playing position. He was often out of position and importantly he didn't impact that match positively in any way.

It wasn't nice to watch. Nothing I have seen in his first team minutes has changed my opinion. However the club likely don't share my opinion. I think he's going to get more opportunities but most likely away from Tannadice. Not this Saturday either. Perhaps when top 6 position is confirmed as definite.

Morphman wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Yes his pass to Sevelj was overhit, but Vicko's control wasn't up to much either.  I think it was the right pass and therefore he was doing what he has been trained to do.

Agree with you here actually. For the 5 minutes previous we had been smashing the ball up the park and turning over possession constantly, it was quite unfortunate that when someone (Odada) did decide to get the ball and attempt to keep it, the pass went astray.

I'm going to put it out there and say I actually thought he was trying to pass to Middleton who was on the move and Sevelj blocked it..
 

 
Just seen it again on Sky.
Probably trying to find Middleton as you suggest because you cant see how a pass to Svelje would be smashed at that speed. Either way you have to put it down as a mistake.

Tek wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

United fans always need to have one guy in the team who gets pelters.  It's currently Odada.

On the one hand that might not be unfair as he really hasn't shown too much but on the other he's had limited game time, is clearly taking longer than others to adapt to the game here and has had a few clear mistakes that have lead to goals for the other team.

For me that is just the way it is when you bring in a player who is otherwise a bench warmer.

I don't think he was brought in as a bench warmer at all Finn. Apparently we paid a good fee for him (and VDS). Our two biggest signings of the Summer in that regard, and definitely the two most disappointing.

On your other point i somewhat agree, ceratin players need time to acclimatize to a different country, culture etc.

But he has been here six months now. He has to start showing something. The boys an Internationalist after all and has played in Europe with two different teams (one bigger than us), and also in the US. He's not a raw kid like Cudjoe or Anaku was.

That Mexican boy Dundee signed had a good debut against Rangers tonight on a cold, cold night and just arrived in the country a few days ago.

We need much more from Odada, and we need it now.
 

Don't disagree with any of that.  There's no doubt he's been disappointing, but currently he is a bench warmer and that isn't going to help him improve.  I don't think Jim would be playing him if he didn't think he can improve so he must be showing more in training than he's currently showing in games.  As someone else has said he looks terrified at times.  I just wonder whether he is a bit of an outsider and isn't fitting in well with the team culture we have.  That might explain being uncertain on the pitch.

If Jim thinks he is ahead of others for a start or part of a plan later in the game then I am fine with that but agree that the product on the park from him needs to get better.  

Of course if that doesn't happen or he just doesn't fit in then he'll have to go, but let's see.

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Meshack not played a minute despite our small squad and hectic schedule, tells me Jim doesn't trust him. So Odada isn't our only dud by the look of things

I would think Meshack will be put out on loan.