Macho Man wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Good result. Didn’t hear or see any of it so leave the criticism to others, but difficult place to go and win so well done to all.

I find it interesting that your comment is 'leave the criticism to others'.

Why not say 'leave the praise' or 'leave the feedback on the performance' to others.........  Does every performance have to be looked at negatively?

I suggest you look up a dictionary more often... "the analysis and judgement of the merits and faults of........"  The word works both ways. Unlike your perception of me, clearly....

Last edited by Finn Seemann (06/3/2024 2:40 pm)

United Arab Emarite wrote:

Macho Man wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Good result. Didn’t hear or see any of it so leave the criticism to others, but difficult place to go and win so well done to all.

I find it interesting that your comment is 'leave the criticism to others'.

Why not say 'leave the praise' or 'leave the feedback on the performance' to others.........  Does every performance have to be looked at negatively?

He probably meant critique.

Encouraging that Goodwin is starting to be recognised as a tactician on TEK.
Not our level yet but maybe getting nearer tactical genius.
 

That makes more sense.

Macho Man wrote:

United Arab Emarite wrote:

Macho Man wrote:

I find it interesting that your comment is 'leave the criticism to others'.

Why not say 'leave the praise' or 'leave the feedback on the performance' to others.........  Does every performance have to be looked at negatively?

He probably meant critique.

Encouraging that Goodwin is starting to be recognised as a tactician on TEK.
Not our level yet but maybe getting nearer tactical genius.
 

That makes more sense.

Speaking personally...?

Finn Seemann wrote:

Delighted that some people see Goodwin as a tactician.  That means I might be wrong about him.  What I don't get however is that he doesn't appear capable of removing/motivating players that aren't doing what he wants.  If a player wasn't doing what he wants, why do they invariably come back on the pitch for the second half and why are the subs pretty much always at 60 minutes.  That suggests that he either isn't upset with the non-compliers or doesn't have the balls to deal with them.  Either way not good.

As for last night, when I saw the team, that was the team I would have picked against Morton.  People shouting for Cudjoe in that game don't appear to understand the reality of Scottish football.  This was one for your most resolute and physical players to go and grind out a result.  We did that so congrats to all.  Players looked pumped at the end so maybe just maybe a bit of team spirit can get us the gap that we need.

He's a tactician in as much as he understands the game and has a number of strategies and approaches to counter and beat different types of teams. That's no more than I'd expect from a manager at United.

I agree with you regarding the motivation (or whatever the problem is - communication, possibly?) - too often the guys starting the game don't do the job they were sent out to do. I think he gives them an hour because he wants to give the game plan they have been presumably working on in training the chance to work, as plan B wasn't the preferred approach on that particular week and less time was spent on plan B in training.

He gave Mulgrew the boot at the first opportunity, along with a few others that were meant to be the spine of our team, brought in guys who are more likely to get the job done, he benched Freeman, Glass and one or two others who are probably not what our team needs, he has had Kai on the bench a lot after his form dipped, and Middleton, and Watt, and Grimshaw, and Moult, and Tillson. He has put Miller Thomson in for 4 games straight. The kick up the arse these changes have given the lads dropped seems to have had a positive effect. The keeper, the skipper, Holt, Sibbald, McMann and Gallagher are the only lads who have been guaranteed picks when fit, and I can't argue with that.

So I think he is actually making the tough decisions, as I see enough evidence of that. Unfortunately too often recently that has not translated into decent performances and wins, and I think that's why he is getting pelters. And that's fair enough, as winning games is ultimately his job, but I think some of the specific criticisms levelled against him aren't always aligned with the evidence.

In a nutshell, I think he's doing what he can with the players he has at his disposal, and I'm more tempted to look at the players when I'm wondering why performances have not been up to scratch. And I don't think the word salad he comes out with on DUTV after a poor performance will be what is said to the players behind closed doors.

All just my opinions, of course, and I could be completely wrong. But in the cold light of day I prefer to look on the positive side (if there is one) when it comes to United. God knows why, as I'm a miserable negative bastard in every other walk of life.
 

Canadian Arab wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Delighted that some people see Goodwin as a tactician.  That means I might be wrong about him.  What I don't get however is that he doesn't appear capable of removing/motivating players that aren't doing what he wants.  If a player wasn't doing what he wants, why do they invariably come back on the pitch for the second half and why are the subs pretty much always at 60 minutes.  That suggests that he either isn't upset with the non-compliers or doesn't have the balls to deal with them.  Either way not good.

As for last night, when I saw the team, that was the team I would have picked against Morton.  People shouting for Cudjoe in that game don't appear to understand the reality of Scottish football.  This was one for your most resolute and physical players to go and grind out a result.  We did that so congrats to all.  Players looked pumped at the end so maybe just maybe a bit of team spirit can get us the gap that we need.

He's a tactician in as much as he understands the game and has a number of strategies and approaches to counter and beat different types of teams. That's no more than I'd expect from a manager at United.

I agree with you regarding the motivation (or whatever the problem is - communication, possibly?) - too often the guys starting the game don't do the job they were sent out to do. I think he gives them an hour because he wants to give the game plan they have been presumably working on in training the chance to work, as plan B wasn't the preferred approach on that particular week and less time was spent on plan B in training.

He gave Mulgrew the boot at the first opportunity, along with a few others that were meant to be the spine of our team, brought in guys who are more likely to get the job done, he benched Freeman, Glass and one or two others who are probably not what our team needs, he has had Kai on the bench a lot after his form dipped, and Middleton, and Watt, and Grimshaw, and Moult, and Tillson. He has put Miller Thomson in for 4 games straight. The kick up the arse these changes have given the lads dropped seems to have had a positive effect. The keeper, the skipper, Holt, Sibbald, McMann and Gallagher are the only lads who have been guaranteed picks when fit, and I can't argue with that.

So I think he is actually making the tough decisions, as I see enough evidence of that. Unfortunately too often recently that has not translated into decent performances and wins, and I think that's why he is getting pelters. And that's fair enough, as winning games is ultimately his job, but I think some of the specific criticisms levelled against him aren't always aligned with the evidence.

In a nutshell, I think he's doing what he can with the players he has at his disposal, and I'm more tempted to look at the players when I'm wondering why performances have not been up to scratch. And I don't think the word salad he comes out with on DUTV after a poor performance will be what is said to the players behind closed doors.

All just my opinions, of course, and I could be completely wrong. But in the cold light of day I prefer to look on the positive side (if there is one) when it comes to United. God knows why, as I'm a miserable negative bastard in every other walk of life.
 

You may be right CA - he has overseen some tough decisions (although moving on Mulgrew was an absolute must).  I get what you say on picking an approach for a game but I'd argue he gets that wrong just as much as he gets it right recently (all our positive results have been marginal recently).  What annoys me is the in game management (from insisting on 2 men corners to fixed substitution slots and slow methodical build up).  Savvy managers know this and have figured it out and Goodwin doesn't appear to be able to react.  That shows up in his recruitment too.  The boy McLelland seems to be a waste of a signing and Greive is clearly limited in terms of impact.  To be fair, on that front, Wetherspoon is a player but his fitness means he's not going to have the impact anyone would like and he's not anyone's answer for the top division on that basis.

That said, he should have enough to get us up.  I'd ditch him at that point.

RogerTheAlien wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

RogerTheAlien wrote:

Same team for Saturday.

 
No chance of that in my opinion.

Goodwin picked horses for courses tonight, Saturday's challenge will be entirely different.

Wootherspoon might return on Saturday.

 
Would only change Wotherspoon for Tillson if he’s fit.

It's Arbroath, I wouldn't risk Spoony for this one, get him 100% for the Dunfermline game.

RogerTheAlien wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

RogerTheAlien wrote:

Same team for Saturday.

 
No chance of that in my opinion.

Goodwin picked horses for courses tonight, Saturday's challenge will be entirely different.

Wootherspoon might return on Saturday.

 
Would only change Wotherspoon for Tillson if he’s fit.

 
He might not merit a return RTA but I've a wee feeling that Middleton will return, both him and Moult have had great success vs Arbroath this season.

Middleton is a player we will need in the run in, hopefully a good run out against Arbraoth would be just the tonic to get him going again.

Stillliving wrote:

Shedtastic wrote:

RogerTheAlien wrote:

 
Would only change Wotherspoon for Tillson if he’s fit.

It's Arbroath, I wouldn't risk Spoony for this one, get him 100% for the Dunfermline game.

 
Very foolish to say only Arbroath, we're not good enough to take any opposition lightly

 
100% correct Stillliving.

Tek wrote:

We beat an understrength Morton and now Goodwin is getting lauded as a master tactician.

LOL.

Let's calm doon a bit and see if we can go on a bit of a run and win this league without anymore complications first lads.

 
Exactly my thinking too

Tek wrote:

We beat an understrength Morton and now Goodwin is getting lauded as a master tactician.

LOL.

Let's calm doon a bit and see if we can go on a bit of a run and win this league without anymore complications first lads.

He gets stick when he gets it wrong and praise when he gets it right, no more no less, for me anyway.

He's not Pep because he realised that getting wired in last night and winning the battle was our best chance and he's not Liam Fox because he made an arse of it v Airdrie.

If he delivers his only set target,  he'll get the same respect as any manager who's delivered his goal, whether we win the league on goal difference or by 11 points.

Canadian Arab wrote:

Good post Shakey.

Cheers mate !
... tbf no a patch on yours.
 

Last edited by Shakey Isles Arab (07/3/2024 1:18 am)

MockChop wrote:

Current

-P27 W16 D7 L4 F51 A17 Pts 55

2019/20

-P28 W18 D5 L5 F52 A22 Pts 59

Extremely similar, especially if we win on Saturday.
Looking at our last 9 games -
- we play all other teams once (as you might expect)
- 5 at Home, 4 Away
- 6 on Saurdays, 3 on Fridays
- 3 TV games - Pars (A), Morton (A), Partick (H)
- 8 on grass, 1 on synthetic (Airdrie)
- there could be Tannadice celebration (or other) at our game v Ayr (3rd last game) or Partick (last game).
- Friday May 3rd is the last round of games for all teams with Raith being at home to Arbroath.

Fasten your seatbelt.