Macbonzo wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Macbonzo wrote:

Is anyone really surprised? Ogren has no more money to spend. His adviser and former Sporting Director is no longer on the scene, hence Ogren’s embarrassing last interview demonstrated just how out of touch he is.

Let’s deal with Zander Clark. His agent is Consilium Ltd. Directors of Consilium Ltd are: Jackie McNammara and Mike Martin. McNammara was a colleague of Tony Asghar and someone who did consultancy work for Revolution. When Asghar wound up his agency, he let his clients speak to McNammara. I am very much of the belief that McNammara introduced Mike Martin to Asghar.

Ok, Mark Ogren has been had, hook line and sinker, but, so have the fans. A former manager and former majority shareholder have pursued their own interests at the expense of the club and fans.

Apologies if I am repeating myself, but, until we the fans purchase the club, we will be at the mercy of middlemen and opportunists.

 
Ogren just sold his golf course investment, so he's not skint

Ogren made it clear on 13th May 2022 that the club has to be self sufficient “because it has to” He said that he would not plough further money in.

As far as the golf course is concerned, we know he sold it for £7million, but do we know whether it was purchased by GPH Engineering or Ogren himself? He did  not have the funds to develop it himself and co Director Hector Rivero hired contractors to start developing the site, but, according to Ogren did not pay them. Irrespective it is a separate investment.

If you can tell me how much the course was purchased for I would be interested.

I think it’s fair to say that Ogren has been told : when you start digging a hole for yourself, the first thing you do is stop digging.
 

 
The point is we went down because he refused to invest in January. Then he started bitching about how much relegation has cost the club, can you see the irony?

He needs to make sure we go back up first time, and the way to do that is to invest in this squad now and not leave anything to chance. If he doesn't and we don't go back up this season then what?

I don't know any details of the golf course sale other than what's been reported but that's not really important. The point is he's not skint but if things don't work out this season he may well end up being.

Also, when igren first came in. He spanked a ton of cash to get us out of the league and it didn't work. We'd be saying he was foolhardy if he was offering inflated wages.

It's not fun but holding off for the right players makes better business sense. Maybe we will be in a position to move before our competitors in January?

Also birighitti gtf

nomad wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
I'm pretty convinced that it's entirely down to Ogren penny pinching and being generally fucking clueless.

 
Why don't you buy the club then?  Or are you too penny pinching for that

 
Way way past your bedtime sunshine

JerryDungle wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Macbonzo wrote:

Ogren made it clear on 13th May 2022 that the club has to be self sufficient “because it has to” He said that he would not plough further money in.

As far as the golf course is concerned, we know he sold it for £7million, but do we know whether it was purchased by GPH Engineering or Ogren himself? He did not have the funds to develop it himself and co Director Hector Rivero hired contractors to start developing the site, but, according to Ogren did not pay them. Irrespective it is a separate investment.

If you can tell me how much the course was purchased for I would be interested.

I think it’s fair to say that Ogren has been told : when you start digging a hole for yourself, the first thing you do is stop digging.
 

 
The point is we went down because he refused to invest in January. Then he started bitching about how much relegation has cost the club, can you see the irony?

He needs to make sure we go back up first time, and the way to do that is to invest in this squad now and not leave anything to chance. If he doesn't and we don't go back up this season then what?

I don't know any details of the golf course sale other than what's been reported but that's not really important. The point is he's not skint but if things don't work out this season he may well end up being.

 
He’s no skint, but I’ve always been told by someone who’s been involved at boardroom level at United in the past that Ogren’s nowhere near as wealthy as some folk think he is.

There were two other guys, who had something to do with an NFL team, that also owned shopping malls in the states, that were interested in buying United together, roughly around the same time as Ogren, that were way wealthier than he is, like mega-loaded blokes. Don’t know what happened, whether Ogren moved quicker or what, but I do wonder what would’ve happened had they been the ones to buy us rather than Ogren.

I think as Macbonzo alluded too. Others were able to take a good wage out Utd/Ogren and make a cut out of other deals.

The other American businessmen were doubtless not so naive.
 

Sensible move, provides cover so Grimshaw can stay at right back

Wallop.

Hear me out please.

If ever a signing highlighted result of the gross negligence shown by our Chairman in appointing Ashgar and overseeing the shitshow of 22/23 season its this one.

A loan from Ross County who were marginally better than one of the worst assembled squads in our history says it all.

For what's it's worth he will do well in this division and by filling in at Center midfield he will allow Grimshaw to drop back into right back if required.

One guy who now really needs to step us is Kieran Freeman,  competition directly for his position should hopefully fire the young guy up. He really needs to get the finger out and pronto.

Decent addition from Goodwin who has slowly but surely assembled a squad that should win this league.

Striker next please.

someone on Mad saying Mochrie has been told that he can find another club

dufc2019 wrote:

someone on Mad saying Mochrie has been told that he can find another club

Mental if true. Watt hasn't done anything in his new position. When Sibbald/Docherty return I'd be looking for two from them and Tilson in the two sitting positions, with Glass or Mochrie further forward behind Moult.

I'd also add Middleton continues to offer little as well. Contrast that with Cudjoe and Fotheringham in recent games.
 

SuperMario wrote:

Rory McLeod going to Forfar on loan

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

 
Unless someone else is coming in that is bonkers.

Not for the lad, I think it's best he goes out and bags a few goals. For us though it leaves a bit short up top.

Fingers crossed we stay injury free.

wardy1983 wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Rory McLeod going to Forfar on loan

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

 
Unless someone else is coming in that is bonkers.

Not for the lad, I think it's best he goes out and bags a few goals. For us though it leaves a bit short up top.

Fingers crossed we stay injury free.

 

Loan only until January, can recall him at any time

That works then, should do the young man the world of good.

David_Blunkett wrote:

We have no real back up to Moult and yet McLeod has had very little game time.

He may go on to become a player for us, but he's nowhere near ready from what i've seen.


 

Happy for the lad if he can go out and get goals. Loads of potential but not quite ready for our first team - so probably the best outcome. Did both goodie and Russell the world of good
 

Best thing for the laddie.

As someone on here said, we're producing technicaly sound laddies in Academy with nae experience in mens fitba. The likes o this loan is the best thing to gie the laddie a leg up.

 

Tek wrote:

What i don't get for the life off me is not signing another Striker.

He signs Jordan Tilson even though Docherty and Sibbald have both trained all week and will return imminently. We have plenty of options in midfield (Sibbald, Docherty, Grimshaw, Mochrie, Glass, and now Tilson).

Got very, very little up top and now even less.

We are gambling everything on Louis Moult 

1) Not getting injured
2) Staying in form

Unacceptable position to be in.

p.s. please don't tell me Watt and Middleton can play upfront because both should have been dropped weeks ago.

I agree mate but i dont think JG see's it that way, Watt is the backup striker