After being on the picket line recently due to the cuts at the University, I don't mind standing in all sorts of weather for what I believe in. 

I'll head along! 

Anyone actually believe they will address concerns at the AGM with any detail or honesty or just make platitude statements that mean nothing and just frustrate the fans even more?

After reading main points from the AGM can I just say Ogren out and hopefully soon cos we are fucked.

Last edited by KdyArab (21/2/2023 3:34 pm)

I’ve not posted for years on here but recent events pull you back in. I’m absolutely amazed that no one has seen that Ogren has been as culpable as Asghar for months now.

I can’t blame him. He’s out a lot of money in. Neilson, Covid, court cases etc has meant his outlay far exceeded what he expected. But now he’s had enough. He started with the best of intentions but ultimately he was in it for himself and will do what’s right for himself - not us.

Asghar’s dealings have been short sighted on the recruitment front and that’s caused all sorts of issues. I think he done a decent job to begin with and never understood the over the top hate towards him for what on the whole was a half decent job - up to a point in time.

Recently, it’s clear as day he is running the club to the orders of Ogren. Tony is a puppet and the fall guy whilst simultaneously doing a poor job for what he is responsible for.

The narrative that Ogren is some rich, daft yank being led up the garden path is insulting to a self made millionaire. He knows exactly what he’s doing

Lilley01 wrote:

I’ve not posted for years on here but recent events pull you back in. I’m absolutely amazed that no one has seen that Ogren has been as culpable as Asghar for months now.

I can’t blame him. He’s out a lot of money in. Neilson, Covid, court cases etc has meant his outlay far exceeded what he expected. But now he’s had enough. He started with the best of intentions but ultimately he was in it for himself and will do what’s right for himself - not us.

Asghar’s dealings have been short sighted on the recruitment front and that’s caused all sorts of issues. I think he done a decent job to begin with and never understood the over the top hate towards him for what on the whole was a half decent job - up to a point in time.

Recently, it’s clear as day he is running the club to the orders of Ogren. Tony is a puppet and the fall guy whilst simultaneously doing a poor job for what he is responsible for.

The narrative that Ogren is some rich, daft yank being led up the garden path is insulting to a self made millionaire. He knows exactly what he’s doing

Take it the last point aimed at my comment.  His parents started the business in '64.  I'm willing to guess that they made it and not him.  He's sold it and is swanning around buying 'assets' he doesn't understand - he's more like the Snake than you think (although at least Thompson knew he was making no money in football!).  I'll stick with my assessment.

Let's wait for the minutes of the AGM before indulging in wild speculation about what was/wasn't said.

AlwaysUnited wrote:

Let's wait for the minutes of the AGM before indulging in wild speculation about what was/wasn't said.

Presumably the snippets we are hearing are from those who attended?  Maybe the minutes will say something else?  Which either will mean they are 'doctored' or people are lying?

Quite the accusation...

Lilley01 wrote:

I’ve not posted for years on here but recent events pull you back in. I’m absolutely amazed that no one has seen that Ogren has been as culpable as Asghar for months now.

I can’t blame him. He’s out a lot of money in. Neilson, Covid, court cases etc has meant his outlay far exceeded what he expected. But now he’s had enough. He started with the best of intentions but ultimately he was in it for himself and will do what’s right for himself - not us.

Asghar’s dealings have been short sighted on the recruitment front and that’s caused all sorts of issues. I think he done a decent job to begin with and never understood the over the top hate towards him for what on the whole was a half decent job - up to a point in time.

Recently, it’s clear as day he is running the club to the orders of Ogren. Tony is a puppet and the fall guy whilst simultaneously doing a poor job for what he is responsible for.

The narrative that Ogren is some rich, daft yank being led up the garden path is insulting to a self made millionaire. He knows exactly what he’s doing

You are not alone in you disdain and suspicion of Mark Ogren, friend.


 

Don’t disagree with you. Also the cloak and dagger insurance pay out from Covid to be added to that list too.

I don’t think we can under estimate the cost of our turnover to wages ratio being banked on being in the premiership only for Covid to hit so that will account for a significant chunk. Paying off Ross, buying Watt. Huge wages for watt, McGrath, fletcher, levitt. Costs of stadium and other infrastructure improvements. It will all quickly add up but does it add up to the amount you mention….!?

Very concerning, what I'm reading in this thread.

I think Ogren is your typical cut-throat US businessman who, maybe for reasons of vanity, got himself involved in a market that he really doesn't know much about and his major source of advice has been someone who looks to be taking him for a ride. It could have worked for him if he had someone in charge at the club who he could trust and who knew what they were doing when it comes to running a football club. But he doesn't have someone like that. Initially, he probably thought that Asghar was the perfect person to work with. He may well have since realised that he has been duped (the timing of his change of mindset seems to coincide roughly with the sacking of Jack Ross, IMO) and he's now looking to get back as much as he can of what he put into the club before getting out. He doesn't need to remove Asghar or Fox to do that.

If he does sell off our most valuable assets and walk away having broken even, the only people who will have put money into the club over the past few years will have been the fans, through season tickets etc. and also through significant investment from the DUSF.

If this is what Ogren's doing, it wouldn't surprise me. He always said he was in it for the money. That alone would make anyone question his judgement. Back when he first got involved, it came to light that he had donated to Trump's first presidential campaign (which he could be forgiven for), but he also donated to Trump's second campaign at a point when the whole world knew what sort of an individual Trump is. I publicly questioned his judgement and character at that point and got absolute pelters from Arabs on twitter who wanted to know what Ogren's political views had to do with running United. It has nothing to do with his political views. It's about the morality and ethics of giving money to someone like Trump.

I'd like our club back. I'd like the Ogrens and Asghar gone, ASAP.

FC United of Dundee anyone?

I don't feel any glee in being right, but I have been saying for a very long time that Asghar/Ogren would be the end of our club and it now seems somewhat inevitable.  Gutted.

Last edited by Finn Seemann (21/2/2023 6:02 pm)

What is clear is that Ogren wants out, so the rumours of the Club up for sale are genuine. He is putting no more money in, which now means we are heavily reliant on the Club selling players. If we get relegated, I hope we have relegation clauses in contracts...He has and is trying to remove directors that don't always dance to his tune. 

Ogren tenure will have been seen as mixed. He got us promoted and our youth academy back, but at what cost?- debt, and lots of it. 

On another forum, one poster has done digging about TA sports company and who is also part of it.....Very interesting read https://www.eastfootball.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?45460-Ogren-and-Asghar/page70 
"Revolution are bleeding the club dry' was one of there last comments on the matter." 

Dundee United Football Club is no more; it's purely an extension of that company now. With that, I'm firmly in the camp of Ogren out. Sell to the supporters and take TA with you and leave. His comments at the AGM were laughable. 

£13million in debt to MO & Government backed loan. No one in their right mind will take that on. He either stays and strips the club to the bones  or he takes a loss, writes off debts and jets off into the sunset. 

What a sad state of affairs.  Community-owned Club, please. 

Who owns Tannadice & Gussie?

Last edited by UniDundee (21/2/2023 7:12 pm)