dufc2019 wrote:

"Hearts have agreed terms with Lewis Neilson and now have to thrash out a fee with Dundee United or run the risk of a tribunal - which could see them hit with a bill of up to £500,000.The Jambos had been given permission to hold talks with the 19-year-old and now have a deal in place with the young central defender.Neilson is out of contract at Tannadice and United yesterday confirmed he would be leaving the club after turning down their final offer.It had been reported that Hearts could get him for nothing over the timing of Neilson’s contract renewal but United have dismissed that and are adamant they will be due training compensation.Unless a fee can be agreed between the two clubs then it will go to a tribunal.It is a risk and saw United previously burnt when they bought Charlie Teller from Rangers for £204,000 back in 2014.United have previously turned down big-offers from Leicester City for Lewis Neilson when his namesake was the manager.United claim they had been in discussions with the young defender since September.All these things will come into consideration who has been at Tannadice and come through the ranks over the last 10 years."

So hearts have fucked up ?

Someone has - let's hope its not us.  Could be Lewis's agent - in which case Hearts could probably get out of the deal if they wanted.

dufc5 wrote:

LarsErikKjell wrote:

Fuck Hearts. He was offered a contract in February. Simple as that. Sign him all you want, but be prepared to pay the compo. If the noises around it being free are all coming from Hearts and Edi based journos then it makes me even more confident that its just a load of shite.

We said in our statement he was offered a concrete proposal in Feb. Done.

 
Exactly, Hearts are at it.

Again.
 

United 100% need to make a statement here, hearts still insisting it’s a free transfer

If we’ve fucked up here, we need explanations

Last edited by SuperMario (09/6/2022 2:05 pm)

Reported that harkes is close to a 1 year contract extension.
Don't really see the point in it. Albeit he has been reasonable, he's not a stand out and a 1 year gives united no stability. Best case scenario, he has a good half season and is off in January. Worst case, he has a bang average season and leaves on a Free...

SuperMario wrote:

Pish window so far, not even been linked with anyone- bored.

 
I'd say it's good the club keep their business private until there is some news, instead of wild and pointless rumours.

Sorry you're bored though.

AlwaysUnited wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Pish window so far, not even been linked with anyone- bored.

 
I'd say it's good the club keep their business private until there is some news, instead of wild and pointless rumours.

Sorry you're bored though.

 
Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen have all signed players.

Why haven’t we, Tony?

AlwaysUnited wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

United 100% need to make a statement here, hearts still insisting it’s a free transfer

If we’ve fucked up here, we need explanations

 
No they don't. The club have no duty to discuss private and confidential contract arrangements.

 
5000 United fans have bought season tickets. You have a duty to them.

AlwaysUnited wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

United 100% need to make a statement here, hearts still insisting it’s a free transfer

If we’ve fucked up here, we need explanations

 
No they don't. The club have no duty to discuss private and confidential contract arrangements.

dosnt stop hearts
 

Tek wrote:

AlwaysUnited wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

United 100% need to make a statement here, hearts still insisting it’s a free transfer

If we’ve fucked up here, we need explanations

 
No they don't. The club have no duty to discuss private and confidential contract arrangements.

Well, you'll be able to put us all right i'm sure AlwaysUnited.

So, will Utd get a Development Fee or has your big pal Tony fucked up?
 

 
For what its worth, I'd say its the duty of whoever the 'legal' person at the club is to ensure all the boxes are ticked when offering a contract. Asghar's job (I assume) is to agree on when to offer contracts, how much to offer and how long a contract to offer.

Statement said February we offered a contract. And its safe to assume we offered more money than the deal he signed when he was 16.

So all that can have gone wrong at this stage (looking at the SFA rules) is we've not 'registered' the offering of the contract correctly. ie sent recorded delivery to the persons home address OR delivered to him personally with a copy given to the 'secretary' (whoever that is).

That seems like the most likely option at this stage. And being honest, we are clutching at straws if we're looking to blame that on Asghar. The legal person at the club used to be Laura something (now at Aberdeen). No idea who it is now. But if that is where the mistake lies then its person who will shoulder the blame. But no matter what, we know who will really get the blame from the majority of fans online.

Tek wrote:

LarsErikKjell wrote:

Tek wrote:

Well, you'll be able to put us all right i'm sure AlwaysUnited.

So, will Utd get a Development Fee or has your big pal Tony fucked up?
 

 
For what its worth, I'd say its the duty of whoever the 'legal' person at the club is to ensure all the boxes are ticked when offering a contract. Asghar's job (I assume) is to agree on when to offer contracts, how much to offer and how long a contract to offer.

Statement said February we offered a contract. And its safe to assume we offered more money than the deal he signed when he was 16.

So all that can have gone wrong at this stage (looking at the SFA rules) is we've not 'registered' the offering of the contract correctly. ie sent recorded delivery to the persons home address OR delivered to him personally with a copy given to the 'secretary' (whoever that is).

That seems like the most likely option at this stage. And being honest, we are clutching at straws if we're looking to blame that on Asghar. The legal person at the club used to be Laura something (now at Aberdeen). No idea who it is now. But if that is where the mistake lies then its person who will shoulder the blame. But no matter what, we know who will really get the blame from the majority of fans online.

Asghar is in charge of contracts etc. It's one of his main remits actually.

Regardless of who typed up the contract it is absolutely his responsibility to ensure the correct protocol was followed every step of the way.

We are talking about hundreds of thousands of pounds to the club here.
 

 
No idea in terms of the nitty gritty but I really doubt its a Sporting Directors job to go and lick the envelope on a contract and make sure its sent as recorded delivery. This will 100% be down to whoever runs the admin/legal side of the club.

Either way, I just want it to be sorted out but I doubt it will be for a while. If we get a couple of signings in the door then people will ease off a bit.

I'm holding out hope that we've done everything right on our end and Hearts are just chancing after his agent (anyone know who it is?) maybe noticed a wee loophole that turns out to be shite. But if we've fucked up royally then its proper amateur stuff on our end. Fingers crossed we've not and we can get what we're due.

AlwaysUnited wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Pish window so far, not even been linked with anyone- bored.

 
I'd say it's good the club keep their business private until there is some news, instead of wild and pointless rumours.

Sorry you're bored though.

Mario, no my place where you're coming from with "bored" but I think it's more out of exasperation and frustration.

AU - teft field as ever - it's mebbe slipped you're notice mate but this is a Discusion Board so we're free to come up with wild and pointless rumours as you see them.  Bollocks  in that opinion, for me the opposite - accurate, early inside stories.

You say  'the club should keep their business private "
Pigs arse - Ahm up at 2 or 4 every Sunday morning to watch United, no tae mention 5,000 so far Season Ticket buyers, no tae mention the thousnds that travel to the likes of Livi on a freezing pishy rain night to watch garbage and turn out Saturday - that is a complete insult.

Cannae make up ma mind if you've anything valid to discuss or just a tit ?

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Neilson: I guess Tony's staff are running round like headless chooks asking who did what.
If we've fucked up big time - no surprise, there's history there. If we have fucked up blame rests fair and square with TA - it's his job, simple as that, but furthermore he was the one interviewed the other day who told us he worked for United 24/7
Conversely if Hearts are simply trying it on - no surprise there either, there's ample recent history of that.
You'd think though that Hearts and young Lewis' agents  might be have concocted something between themselves to come come up with their "free transfer" statement.

The club will understandably keep it to themselves meantime, but no AU it's not their business and it's not private.

Nice quiet $100k I suspect, and us a selling club
 

Last edited by Shakey Isles Arab (09/6/2022 9:54 pm)

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

AlwaysUnited wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Pish window so far, not even been linked with anyone- bored.

 
I'd say it's good the club keep their business private until there is some news, instead of wild and pointless rumours.

Sorry you're bored though.

Mario, no my place where you're coming from with "bored" but I think it's more out of exasperation and frustration.

AU - teft field as ever - it's mebbe slipped you're notice mate but this is a Discusion Board so we're free to come up with wild and pointless rumours as you see them.  Bollocks  in that opinion, for me the opposite - accurate, early inside stories.

You say  'the club should keep their business private "
Pigs arse - Ahm up at 2 or 4 every Sunday morning to watch United, no tae mention 5,000 so far Season Ticket buyers, no tae mention the thousnds that travel to the likes of Livi on a freezing pishy rain night to watch garbage and turn out Saturday - that is a complete insult.

Cannae make up ma mind if you've anything valid to discuss or just a tit ?

  - - - - - - - - - - 

Neilson: I guess Tony's staff are running round like headless chooks asking who did what.
If we've fucked up big time - no surprise, there's history there. If we have fucked up blame rests fair and square with TA - it's his job, simple as that, but furthermore he was the one interviewed the other day who told us he worked for United 24/7
Conversely if Hearts are simply trying it on - no surprise there either, there's ample recent history of that.
You'd think though that Hearts and young Lewis' agents  might be have concocted something between themselves to come come up with their "free transfer" statement.

The club will understandably keep it to themselves meantime, but no AU it's not their business and it's not private.

Nice quiet $100k I suspect, and us a selling club
 

 
Sir, you have misrepresented me somewhat. My statement wasn't that the club should keep their business private. My statement was that the club should keep their business private UNTIL there is news to report rather than entertain wild rumours and hearsay.

Once their have been developments as regards signings, staff etc then of course the fans should be the first to know.

Thanks.

Last edited by AlwaysUnited (13/6/2022 6:51 pm)