This has been coming for a while.  Much as I dislike Sturgeon I'm not sure she's got a lot of choice here.  Sense would be to bring forward the winter shutdown and play the games later when there is a chance of folk being allowed to attend.  Boris will end up having to do the same down south.

Folk have got to stop thinking that this is a mild discomfort (which it is for most) and realise that if the hospitals can't cope then it is just as likely to kill folk who haven't even caught covid.  The financial and mental health implications are of course also important but it has always been about hospital admissions and the latest data seems to point at them going in the wrong direction.  I hear Ireland is to lockdown from the 30th and given the rest of Europe seems to be doing similar I don't think we'll be alone.  I've got tickets for Newcastle v Man U and am not even sure if I'll go (although pretty sure Boris is going to pull it anyway).

Beharder wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

This has been coming for a while.  Much as I dislike Sturgeon I'm not sure she's got a lot of choice here.  Sense would be to bring forward the winter shutdown and play the games later when there is a chance of folk being allowed to attend.  Boris will end up having to do the same down south.

Folk have got to stop thinking that this is a mild discomfort (which it is for most) and realise that if the hospitals can't cope then it is just as likely to kill folk who haven't even caught covid.  The financial and mental health implications are of course also important but it has always been about hospital admissions and the latest data seems to point at them going in the wrong direction.  I hear Ireland is to lockdown from the 30th and given the rest of Europe seems to be doing similar I don't think we'll be alone.  I've got tickets for Newcastle v Man U and am not even sure if I'll go (although pretty sure Boris is going to pull it anyway).

 

What it appears to be is an acceptance that there is not enough staff in the health service. If there was no annual winter crises in the NHS and it was adequately staffed rather than one step away from Armageddon no restrictions would required.

I totally agree that the underfunding of the NHS is a contributory factor here and means we are starting from a position of almost guaranteed failure, but to be fair, I don't think it would make economic sense to build in the capacity needed to cover the covid scenario either 

Beharder wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Beharder wrote:

 

What it appears to be is an acceptance that there is not enough staff in the health service. If there was no annual winter crises in the NHS and it was adequately staffed rather than one step away from Armageddon no restrictions would required.

I totally agree that the underfunding of the NHS is a contributory factor here and means we are starting from a position of almost guaranteed failure, but to be fair, I don't think it would make economic sense to build in the capacity needed to cover the covid scenario either 

 

Early evidence is showing that there is not going to a great increase of people needing hospital treatment.
The wider issue is that all the public services, police , teachers, firies ect are also all run with not enough staff.
These restrictions are less about saving lives and more about ensuring the public services dont collapse.

I think the evidence in London (which appears to be ahead of the rest of the country) is that hospital admissions are going up.  Whether that keeps going in the same direction and is replicated elsewhere in the UK is, I guess, a guess, but I think the issue is that sheer numbers of infections will mean more admissions even if the percentage needing hospitalisation is much smaller than Delta.   The other public services argument may however be fair to an extent.  We do need to see better rules around isolation if the health impact is less although balanced with the transmission increase.

smedDUm wrote:

All I want for Christmas is....
...the winter shutdown to be brought forward.

Was so looking forward to the Tannadice Street Xmas Festival, three games in eight days.
 

I think at least 2 clubs will oppose it so wont happen
 

Billy_Hainey wrote:

Winter Break starts early.

Our next match against efter the HIbees, against the Midden which shoulda been on 29th December is now on 18th January. Derby match moved from 2nd January to 1st February.

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-press-release-48140

 
Should have moved all the games in my opinion. Now United will be heftily out of pocket for Sundays game plus the break would have been extremely beneficial to us right now.

Checking odds there.
Bookies are most definitely not daft.
But I don't think they trust Dundee United.
All things considered why are we 9/4 & Hibs 5/4??

I see that refunds will shortly be offered for the Hibs game. I'd like to think that each and every United fan who purchased a ticket, and a good few Hibs fans too, will decline a refund and let United keep the cash.

Mark Ogren has put huge sums into this club, as fans it's time for us to step up to the plate too and do our bit.

Utd have suffered yet another Covid outbreak.

Unbelievable. 

We really have the worst luck.

How on earth do you pick the starting XI for today's game?
Say Freeman & Moore are injured, as usual no info there.
I'd expect Benji, Fuchs & Harkes to reappear.

SIEGRIST
EDWARDS MULGREW McMANN
MOCHRIE HARKES FUCHS MEEKISON
GLASS
CLARK APPERE
Subs - PAWLETT, K. SMITH, SPORLE, HOTI, CHALMERS, NISKANEN, CARSON.
Not making the bench - WATSON & 3 other young lads, NEWMAN, O'DONNELL, THOMSON.
That's probably way off tho.
Have I forgotten anybody?
 

Well clearly Hibs were the better side. Full squad. Nuff said.

We were not at full strength of course, due to bizarre circumstances. So on that note I'll cut TC some slack.

However, the 1st half we hardly got oot oe oor ain half and had not 1 shot on goal.

Was thon Hibs goal affside or no? We'll find oot fae the pundits.

Clark and Watson hardly touched the ba, and when they did, they did eff all we it.

We're now sliding doon the table like Torvill and Dean.

Declan Glass did mare in 10 secs than the rest oe the side did in 90 mins, and for that he's meh MOTM.

Seek as phuck.

Last edited by Billy_Hainey (26/12/2021 9:33 pm)

Share this unavailable XI with you -
CARSON
L. SMITH  EDWARDS  BUTCHER
PAWLETT  LEVITT  MOORE  FUCHS  APPERE
MCNULTY BIAMOU

Hopefully all or at least most available for Tues Jan 18.
Btw this rearranged lge game could go one of three ways -
1) it doesn't go ahead at all
2) goes ahead with 500 fans
3) goes ahead as per normal