Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

As I say I hope I'm wrong.

Edit what I said about end of silly season.
We can't wait until Aug 31st by which time we'll have played Aiberdeen, Huns, Saintees, Hearts.

Something needs to happen sooner than that.

Totally with you - just aping the usual responses of the head in the sand brigade

Finn Seemann wrote:

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

As I say I hope I'm wrong.

Edit what I said about end of silly season.
We can't wait until Aug 31st by which time we'll have played Aiberdeen, Huns, Saintees, Hearts.

Something needs to happen sooner than that.

Totally with you - just aping the usual responses of the head in the sand brigade

 
Why do you feel the need to be so dismissive of people who simply prefer a positive outlook instead of all the doom and gloom? Fuck sake can folk not just look forward to the next chapter of Dundee United's fortunes without being told they have their head in the sand?

What actual good does all the mumping and moaning achieve? Diddly squat!

Beharder wrote:

The sooner the league season starts the better as it appears some fans have are losing a sense of reality.
TC wins 4/4:in the group stages but we are really worried, we are doomed, certs to go down TA has to go ect...
Our last 3 managers by this stage had lost at home to Peterhead, East Fife, East Fife& Arbroath.
Granted it hasn't been pretty to watch but what would be the supporter reaction if TC has followed the modern UTD way and lost to lower league opposition at home?

I think there is something in this.  I'm hoping that the wins mean that we are at least better prepared for the start of the season, but I am not really sure that we can take anything from beating a bunch of part timers especially just beating them and no more.  In some ways I was  OK with them being treated as pre-season (especially last year when Covid meant far fewer alternative pre-season games) although getting knocked out was ridiculous. Aberdeen beating a decent Swedish team who are already well into their season gives me the fear.  The opener was one of the first few that I had some confidence of taking something from - that changed last night.

AlonsMosely wrote:

There is no doubt that we want and need more quality, but we have to be realistic in what we can attract and afford. It feels that some people cannot wait for Courts to fail and jump on the "I told you so bandwagon" ASAP.....as said above played 4 won 4, way ahead of the stats our previous two managers had, of which some are pining that we had kept.....

I'll be delighted for the guy if he keeps us up and improves us.  He seems like a decent enough guy and as a United manager he'll always have my support.  I hope he outlasts Asghar by years and years.
 

My worries (I'm usually fairly positive) are...

1) We've a manager who's highest level of experience is the lowland league.
2) Our squad, which most agree, needed extra bodies last year, is now smaller than it was last year.
3) Courts is happy that our best players are being linked with mid level English teams for relative pennies.
4) there's a load of chat and buzzwords being spat out about projects/5 year plans - but I don't support 5 year plans - I support dundee united. I'm not daft enough to think its not happening and the club has to run to make a profit but it feels like there's no passion in the club.

Courts is a massive massive gamble. I hope it pays off. There will be nobody happier than me but so far there's little to get excited about. Yes we are 4 from 4 but that was 2 wins against league 2 teams, 1 league 1 team and a win v a championship team. I guess you can only beat who is in front of you but equally the results don't fill me with hope.... (would we have beaten Arbroath without the once in a lifetime goal from Mulgrew? Maybe)

Give us something to get excited about. 1 week away and we play the 3rd best team in the country over the last decade....we need to be ready

Finn Seemann wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Suspect I am naturally more cautious, that way the disappointments hurt a little bit less.  Personally, I can't see how people cannot see that our club is being led down the wrong path by someone who is a complete charlatan.  I just can't understand blind faith.  Say I'm right and Asghar does end us, do we just don the dark blue and continue?

 
But the club has been on an upward trajectory since Asghar has been employed. So why are you convinced he's going to end us, it's extremely dramatic to suggest that tbh. This wrong path is all hypothetical, our promotion and first season back did actually happen.

As I said previously, with the money Ogren has put in where we are now is the absolute minimum of where we should be.  We should have been up a season earlier too.  That money has now clearly dried up and the focus is breeding to sell to get Ogren his (Asghar) promised return.  The Asghar project is now a massive gamble.   I just can't believe you can't see that - it's not dramatic - it's staring you in the face if you care to look.

My hope is that the Ogren's realise a change in direction is required before their cash and/or interest dry up.  I personally don't have a line into them so hope that they do read ocassionally what the fans think and maybe, just maybe, that puts a doubt in their heads.  I appreciate that may be a forlorn hope but that makes more sense to me than a non-questioning acceptance that everything in the garden is rosy.

I also do retain the fanciful hope that Asghar is a genius and that it is me who just can't see this as that will ultimately be the best for the club given where we are now.  It's just that everything points at him not having that status, despite him clearly thinking he does.

 
So Mark Ogren must be a halfwit then, or a gullible fool? I think he's neither and some of our fans are bordering on the suicidal with their pessimism

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
But the club has been on an upward trajectory since Asghar has been employed. So why are you convinced he's going to end us, it's extremely dramatic to suggest that tbh. This wrong path is all hypothetical, our promotion and first season back did actually happen.

As I said previously, with the money Ogren has put in where we are now is the absolute minimum of where we should be.  We should have been up a season earlier too.  That money has now clearly dried up and the focus is breeding to sell to get Ogren his (Asghar) promised return.  The Asghar project is now a massive gamble.   I just can't believe you can't see that - it's not dramatic - it's staring you in the face if you care to look.

My hope is that the Ogren's realise a change in direction is required before their cash and/or interest dry up.  I personally don't have a line into them so hope that they do read ocassionally what the fans think and maybe, just maybe, that puts a doubt in their heads.  I appreciate that may be a forlorn hope but that makes more sense to me than a non-questioning acceptance that everything in the garden is rosy.

I also do retain the fanciful hope that Asghar is a genius and that it is me who just can't see this as that will ultimately be the best for the club given where we are now.  It's just that everything points at him not having that status, despite him clearly thinking he does.

 
So Mark Ogren must be a halfwit then, or a gullible fool? I think he's neither and some of our fans are bordering on the suicidal with their pessimism

Far from suicidal mate!  Mr Ogren has invested in Scottish football thinking he'll get a return - that probably tells you all you need to know.  Grateful though we are, of course.

I see having Beith is gone from the women's team too. Think we are going through a round of cost cutting? Old school maybe expensive.....New boys in for pennies? The question would then need to be asked are we getting an equivalent or better service for less money....

I guess like most arguments both sides will never be talked round but at least we know that we all want whats best for the club.

It's not really beating the club with a stick to point out that perhaps we are seeing big changes in the backroom staff as a result of cost cutting. I dont know caigs ability or anybody else's- but I do want united to have an equally good replacement if not better.


Thats being a fan - wanting the best for the club

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
So Mark Ogren must be a halfwit then, or a gullible fool? I think he's neither and some of our fans are bordering on the suicidal with their pessimism

Far from suicidal mate!  Mr Ogren has invested in Scottish football thinking he'll get a return - that probably tells you all you need to know.  Grateful though we are, of course.

 
OK, I'll leave it here. Wasting my time and you're either not seeing or choosing to ignore my point

The feelings mutual mate!  For the sake of the club, let's hope you're right though.  We're all Arabs after all.

I pay Asghar's wages, or at least I did according to my last bank statement.
I want results from him.
To come up with all the Covid, money etc extenuating circumstances (Budgie costs) doesn't cut it.
We should be top six minimum.
Or are we happy to go into the  season accepting it's OK to be behind the two Saints, Livi and the Budgies ?
I'm not.

On the plus side I do see Academy laddies coming in looking great, especially Logan Chalmers and we're only a couple of signings off being the finished article.

Pull finger Tony. 

Tick tock.

Tangy wrote:

I see having Beith is gone from the women's team too. Think we are going through a round of cost cutting? Old school maybe expensive.....New boys in for pennies? The question would then need to be asked are we getting an equivalent or better service for less money....

I guess like most arguments both sides will never be talked round but at least we know that we all want whats best for the club.

The women's team is amateur and everyone involved is doing for the love of the game, its run by Dundee United Community Trust