Tekel Towers » 6 games until the split

Shakey Isles Arab · 08/3/2021 9:56 pm

smedDUm wrote:
Here's a wee thought...
We draw v Aberdeen then remain unbeaten post-split, 5 more draws, we end up on 42 points.
Highly unlikely of course to finish with 6 draws but all I'm saying is supposing we weren't to lose again this season we would have a points total that would likely keep us a perilous one place above the play-off position.
Moral of the story again is you get nothing for draws.

Whit ?!
Yer drawing a long bow here Smeds.
It jist disnae happen !
6 draws on the bounce few and far between, certainly none on current Scot Prem and Championship tables.

That said I don't know if that's the point your trying to make ?
If we lose the six you're talking about we'd be up shit creek - in which case six draws would be vital.

If we were to win six - big TV money.

My thinking, we'll win three, draw two, lose one .... something like that.

Moral of the story - a draw is better than a kick up the erse.
(Edit - draws have been keeping they Haccies bastards in Premier League for years - tell them you get nothing for a draw)

Last edited by Shakey Isles Arab (08/3/2021 10:06 pm)

Arabdownsouth · 09/3/2021 12:31 am

BMT wrote:
Hearing McInnes has been sacked at Aberdeen so not sure how this will affect them when we play them. Hoping their recent form continues and we manage to get the 3 points.

Fuck sake, always happens right before we play some cunt who's struggling, manager gets sacked and they improve their performance next game. Hopefully not this time.

09/3/2021 7:55 am

Arabdownsouth wrote:
smedDUm wrote:
Here's a wee thought...
We draw v Aberdeen then remain unbeaten post-split, 5 more draws, we end up on 42 points.
Highly unlikely of course to finish with 6 draws but all I'm saying is supposing we weren't to lose again this season we would have a points total that would likely keep us a perilous one place above the play-off position.
Moral of the story again is you get nothing for draws.

We are never going to get relegated with 42 points. Not even close

Granted Ads but I did say 10th. An unbeaten end to the season could see us one off the play-off spot. Hypothetical but true.

Arabdownsouth · 09/3/2021 9:25 am

smedDUm wrote:
Arabdownsouth wrote:
smedDUm wrote:
Here's a wee thought...
We draw v Aberdeen then remain unbeaten post-split, 5 more draws, we end up on 42 points.
Highly unlikely of course to finish with 6 draws but all I'm saying is supposing we weren't to lose again this season we would have a points total that would likely keep us a perilous one place above the play-off position.
Moral of the story again is you get nothing for draws.

We are never going to get relegated with 42 points. Not even close
Granted Ads but I did say 10th. An unbeaten end to the season could see us one off the play-off spot. Hypothetical but true.

You actually said perilously close, which implies we would still be in danger. I'm not worried about relegation any more tbh and looking forward to us playing more attacking football from here on in. It puts us in a good place for having a right good crack at a Scottish cup run also.

09/3/2021 9:57 am

Put it another way. If we go on a one-win-in-six run then we might be shitting ourselves.
We have had many one-win-in-six runs this season, albeit interspersed with the more than occasional draw.
The teams with us in the bottom six (now we know that's where we are) will be fighting like tigers, all searching for the projected safety of 40 points.
I think we'll get there easily enough, there are signs that the team is turning the corner and as Ads says, maybe we can even look forward to a good Scottish cup run.

09/3/2021 10:37 am

40 points is a myth, as far as Scottish Prem is concerned. I think that comes from the EPL...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56102247

I think even if we lost every game, we'd be safe from automatic relegation. Killie are currently on 0.78 points per game. They'd have to improve that to nearly 2 to overtake us. That's 4 wins from their last 6. Hamilton, 3 wins from their last 7.

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LarsErikKjell · 09/3/2021 11:30 am

The last time our current points total ended in a team finishing below 10th after 38 games was 7 seasons ago

Arabdownsouth · 09/3/2021 11:56 am

Yep, I'll go as far as to say we are not going down this season. 3 points against the sheep would be great though, just to calm the nervous Nellie's amongst us 😋

LarsErikKjell · 09/3/2021 3:15 pm

I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. I think in our last 6 games we'll pick up at least 9 points. Safe as houses.

I want to see more of Appere of Chalmers playing close to Shankland with Pawlett supporting.

I also want to see Sporle given a shot at left back. Surely he canna be worse than Robson has been in some games recently? I don't expect this to happen, but I wouldn't be against it.

I wont be fussed if we don't see Bolton or McNulty again this season. Both good loan options on the face of it, and they've played their part at times, but its just not worked out for either of them.

The kind of starting 11 I want to see for the rest of the season:

GK: Benji

RB: Smith
CB: Edwards
CB: Reynolds or Connolly if required
LB: Robson or Sporle

CM: Butcher
CM: Fuchs
(Powers or Harkes in when one of these gets suspended or injured)

RM: Chalmers
AM: Pawlett
LM: Appere or Sporle

Shankland

A team along the lines of the above will always give us a chance of winning games by focusing all our efforts on getting the ball to Shankland in the box. That team and shape gives us the best chance of that.

Shedtastic · 09/3/2021 3:22 pm

I agree with that LEK and it makes me wonder why we extended Clarks deal, was it just because Dundee were interested in him?
We play better without him shoehorned into the team.

09/3/2021 3:30 pm

I think MM rates Jamie Robson and less importantly so do I.
He's not had the best of seasons but remember it's his first in the Prem.
At times he appears to do the hard things well & the easy things badly.
Watch out for him next season.
He'll be 24 in December so he's approaching his peak, still developing.

LarsErikKjell · 09/3/2021 3:33 pm

smedDUm wrote:
I think MM rates Jamie Robson and less importantly so do I.
He's not had the best of seasons but remember it's his first in the Prem.
At times he appears to do the hard things well & the easy things badly.
Watch out for him next season.
He'll be 24 in December so he's approaching his peak, still developing.

No doubt at all he is still growing as a player. He just has his moments where you really wonder what is going through his head. Many would like to see us sign a better left back. I think other areas are more important but I'm on the fence about him. When he was younger there was interest from English Championship clubs, now I think the question is is he good enough to be Dundee United's left back for the foreseeable? I think he could be. But time will tell.

LarsErikKjell · 09/3/2021 3:39 pm

Shedtastic wrote:
I agree with that LEK and it makes me wonder why we extended Clarks deal, was it just because Dundee were interested in him?
We play better without him shoehorned into the team.

Look I think Clark definitely offers something to our squad. Squad is the important word there. The fact that he'll be in our squad for the next 2 seasons is something I am absolutely fine with. If he is playing, I want to see him played further forward, we all do, so does Micky I'd imagine. But in a team that currently has Shankland and McNulty (and even Appere) as probable better options up top, he's been squeezed in (right or wrongly) into other positions.

The reality is, if we had a better attacking midfielder (a consistently fit Pawlett, Chalmers, Glass or Mochrie in a few years) then he might not have played as much. But he's been in the team because he has some attributes that make him a decent player in this squad. But the games recently have shown how limited he is in a Micky Mellon team that like to press and counter attack.

I'm sure he'll play his part in his next couple of years at the club. He's done it every season he's been here.

Beharder · 09/3/2021 4:28 pm

Shedtastic wrote:
I agree with that LEK and it makes me wonder why we extended Clarks deal, was it just because Dundee were interested in him?
We play better without him shoehorned into the team.

Without Mcnulty & Shankland next year Clark may get the chance to play as a striker.

dyed in the wool · 09/3/2021 8:26 pm

Goodie Conway 2 wrote:
Does last night's draw for Hamilton mean that we now need 6 points to avoid 12th spot but still 8 to avoid 11th?

Couldn't quite manage to find the time after the game on Saunday to get back on this, but definately looking a lot more positive, especially against finishing bottom.

Below is now the worst case scenario going into the split for us...
____________________________________________
St J       37 pts
Utd         36 pts
Well      35 pts
Ross   35 pts
Ham      32 pts
Killie      28 pts

Would mean...
Hamilton beating Livi & St Mirren
Ross Co beating Hibs & St Johnstone
Killie beating Motherwell
____________________________________________

If by any chance that happens, then I work out we'd need a maximum 4pts to guarantee safety and 7pts to dodge the playoffs. Being honest, if we can't pick up another 7 points this season then we deserve to get pulled into it, but realistically It's going to take a mental set of events for that to happen.

Livi v. Hamilton and Ross Co v. Hibs this Saturday are massive though. Wins for both the Lothian teams leave us relying on a maximum of 5 points to dodge the playoffs.

I'm faily sure I've got my numbers correct but I'm no mathematician so if you notice anything that looks off, feel free to let me know so I can change it at my end.

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Shakey Isles Arab · 09/3/2021 9:35 pm

Arabdownsouth wrote:
You actually said perilously close, which implies we would still be in danger. I'm not worried about relegation any more tbh and looking forward to us playing more attacking football from here on in. It puts us in a good place for having a right good crack at a Scottish cup run also.

... Agree with ADS.
- We're going to see dross teams around and below us have to open up and go for wins which hopefully will give leave for us to show the dormant attacking flair we have. Plus our defence looking increasingly solid.
Run in will throw up a few surprises amongst others and some entertaining matches.

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Arabdownsouth · 13/3/2021 4:54 pm

Good results for us today 👍

kdyteejay · 13/3/2021 5:27 pm

Arabdownsouth wrote:
Good results for us today 👍

Yeah, for the first time I’m relaxed about us staying up.

Arabdownsouth · 13/3/2021 5:54 pm

kdyteejay wrote:
Arabdownsouth wrote:
Good results for us today 👍
Yeah, for the first time I’m relaxed about us staying up.

Yeah, it'll take exceptional circumstances now for us to go down, 6 defeats in a row coupled with 2 of the bottom 3 going on a winning run until the end of the season.