The Sun write some amount of shite, I'll await a club statement tbh.

KdyArab wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

The Sun write some amount of shite, I'll await a club statement tbh.

 
The Sun article also says McNulty is costing us £5k a week. Surely if we are struggling as much as that we wouldn’t be paying anywhere near that amount.

 
That's what I'd have thought yeah.

I think Shankland and Siegrest will be away in January.

Can't see supporters getting in this season.

Time the Scottish Government helped out our game here.

Tek wrote:

I think Shankland and Siegrest will be away in January.

Can't see supporters getting in this season.

Time the Scottish Government helped out our game here.

 
Agree.

The longer Shanks stays the less his value becomes - if he's no bangin in the goals stands to reason, and the shite service he's getting means that unless there's a turnaround he's no in a position to to show his wares.

Benji on the other hand total opposite - saving points and great performances week in week out.

Gives me the shits that we'll end up selling for crazy Scottish knockdown prices in buyers market.

Still I'm reassured by Ogren's candour and statement that we will survive.
There will be a few go tits up by the looks, hope it's the friends fae Haymarket.

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Question: will the season last ?

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​Still can't get over at the lack of incompetence planning for fans in October. WOW, did  they ignore the experts about 2nd wave.... Surely 4 weeks ago signing the new players they would of thought 'maybe no have fans in the ground'...... 

Do the club have a financial director? If so, should be sacked. Only professional club to financially plan for fans to be in the stadium and have no plan b. The whole club is backed on plan that was NEVER going to happen. That is financial mismanagement.

Who knows what will happen now and what actions will be taken. Will wage cuts work? We lost a hell amount of money last year on a gamble, that worked, our wage budget then was 133% over with fans. We have added to the squad without fans. 

We all knew from May that fans inside stadiums would be limited at best, if any at all for a period of time. If any fans were allowed in it would of been season ticket holders so money already in the pot, unless each fan buys about 100 pies per game to make up away gate money. 

Honestly beggars belief

Last edited by UniDundee (28/10/2020 9:55 pm)

Not sure there’s much we can do about the loan players wages as we will have an agreement with their club about what % of their wage we have to pay.

If it is similar to what Dundee did when Hemmings left on a free after he didn’t accept a cut then the only two you’d really be bothered about not accepting the cut are Benji and Shankland.

Not a good situation obviously but hardly a surprise and we are from the only club asking players and staff to take a wage cut.  Coronavirus has wrecked absolutely everything unfortunately.

Tek wrote:

Snacks94 wrote:

Not sure there’s much we can do about the loan players wages as we will have an agreement with their club about what % of their wage we have to pay.

If it is similar to what Dundee did when Hemmings left on a free after he didn’t accept a cut then the only two you’d really be bothered about not accepting the cut are Benji and Shankland.

Not a good situation obviously but hardly a surprise and we are from the only club asking players and staff to take a wage cut. Coronavirus has wrecked absolutely everything unfortunately.

That is assuming the loaned players (Bolton and McNulty) are having all their wages covered by their parent club. If not, Utd should be asking them to take 20% less of whatever Utd are paying.

What about Edwards and Fuchs? 

Either all players should be asked to take a pay cut or none. We need unity here. Not disharmony and a divide in the dressing room.

I hope all 4 players offer to take a cut. Though i have sympathy for them.
 

 
It’s a shit situation, looking at it from a new players point of view, we signed McNulty and Fuchs within the last month, they’re entitled to say you offered me £X 4 weeks ago, you obviously knew this was coming, What the fuck at you playing at?  These guys could have had other offers which with 20% cuts applied may have been better.

From a longer term players point of view they’re bound to be wondering what the fuck the club were playing at adding more players to the wage bill then expecting them to pay for the new guys.

I have sympathy for the club with the situation they’re in, but I don’t think they’ve handled this well at all.  Been better signing no one, telling us why weeks ago and I’m pretty sure if MO had explained then with the same honesty we’d all as fans have rallied round and supported/accepted it.  More importantly I’m sure the existing players would have been more found it easier to rally round and show that unity.

smedDUm wrote:

You lot were screaming for signings, now you're saying it was financial impropriety.
Make your minds up.

 
Folk were screaming for signings yes, the club at no point said they were financially fucked.  If they had no one would’ve argued against signing no one.

TheShed wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

You lot were screaming for signings, now you're saying it was financial impropriety.
Make your minds up.

 
Folk were screaming for signings yes, the club at no point said they were financially fucked. If they had no one would’ve argued against signing no one.

Not to labour the point but a statement from the Club on the last day of that fukn stupid Sky Sports-inspired 'window' pish saying it had no money so wouldn't be signing anyone would have gone down like a lead balloon.
 

smedDUm wrote:

TheShed wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

You lot were screaming for signings, now you're saying it was financial impropriety.
Make your minds up.

 
Folk were screaming for signings yes, the club at no point said they were financially fucked. If they had no one would’ve argued against signing no one.

Not to labour the point but a statement from the Club on the last day of that fukn stupid Sky Sports-inspired 'window' pish saying it had no money so wouldn't be signing anyone would have gone down like a lead balloon.
 

 
Because it should’ve been done weeks before.  This hasn’t suddenly come to light.  It’s not like Mark Ogrens just went to the cash line and been unable to get a tenner out and realised there’s a problem.

How would you feel if you were one of the players affected by this?

There's an inevitability around this. From where I'm standing we've done everything we can to avoid it i.e. waiting as long as possible before jumping in too soon whilst all that time picking up the financial slack ourselves. 

​Maybe trying to go for quality over quantity as well in our signings whilst letting (too) many players go on loan are all tactical ways we've been trying to balance the books. Moves I think should be acknowledged by the players who will still rightly be worried by this. They're not on superstar wages, they live within their means and 20% is significant to 99.9% of folk.

​The key thing for me is how will they collectively respond to this. Are there strong leaders in the dressing room that can keep morale high and ensure frustrations and demoralisation doesn't pour over on to the pitch?

Lilley01 wrote:

​The key thing for me is how will they collectively respond to this. Are there strong leaders in the dressing room that can keep morale high and ensure frustrations and demoralisation doesn't pour over on to the pitch?

This is the key aspect for me. We need to close ranks now and show a togetherness. Mickey Mellon should also be using this as a motivational tool.

There has been utter glee shown in the press and from supporters of other clubs surrounding this news. Time for a 'siege mentality' and for us ourselves to show real delight and passion as a group everytime we register another win that will help us stay in this league. A 'two fingers' up to everyone outside our club, if you will.

The players need to now focus on their jobs and be philosophical in the short term. Yes, i have sympathy for them that they may only be earning 80% of what Utd agreed to pay them but there needs to be an understanding of where we are in the World.

People are losing their jobs in every industry. Or being relocated or having their hours drastically cut. These are hard times for everyone.

And 80% of their wages (to play football in empty stadiums) is still a good gig and (frankly) is still more money per week than most, if not all, on this Forum will earn. 

Fwiw i think there will be an understanding and humility shown in this regard. I hope so, anyway.