Tekel Towers » Legal Action: Joint Club Statement

Beardy23 · 23/6/2020 7:42 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:
Think the fixtures are supposed to be out on 3rd of July if I mind right?

Club 12?

Tek · 23/6/2020 7:45 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:
And on the Dundee vote, I've heard a good few times that clubs had 28 days to change their mind on their initial vote.

I'm not sure that's the case mate.

The clubs definitely had 28 days to register their vote (but were being urged to try and get their vote in for the Friday 5pm 'deadline').

Once the clubs vote was in though, i'm not sure they were able to change it though. Why would they be?

Would leave the vote open to all kinds of corruption and counter offers if that were the case.

Arabdownsouth · 23/6/2020 8:07 pm

Why is the newspaper saying that Dundee United have until Thursday to defend themselves?

United haven't done anything fucking wrong! Never heard of anything like it in my life. Defending yourself for winning on the park! I want no cunt with any kind of Hearts background anywhere near my club in future, absolute set of cunts!

Arabdownsouth · 23/6/2020 8:09 pm

Your honour may I ask what the charges are that have brought us before you today?

Erm...... Search me pal! 🙄🤔

kdyteejay · 23/6/2020 8:19 pm

Tek wrote:
Arabdownsouth wrote:
Tek wrote:
Here is a copy of Hearts legal document up for consideration at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Thursday.
https://www.docdroid.net/xcy36g8/petition-of-heart-of-midlothian-football-club-and-another-p-20-petition-pdf

Yeah tried reading it earlier but my head nearly fell off, have you managed the whole thing yourself Tek?
Skimmed through the 30 pages mate.

Would seem looking at article C17 from the court papers that Hearts/Partick don't have a leg to stand on regards the season's being ended prematurely and the teams occupying bottom spot being relegated as a consequence.

Their whole legal fight is now based on their arguement that Dundee FC's electronic vote should have been accepted first time round.

To be honest i'm utterly fuming reading those documents. This is blatant opportunism from both clubs. This is nothing to do with escaping demotion now and everything to do with seeking hefty (and disproportionate) financial compensation.

What has angered me more than anything is that they seek said compensation from not just the SPFL but also the 4 named clubs (Dundee Utd, Raith, Cove and Stranraer). Fucking Stranraer. One of the teams they argued they were trying to protect and fight for initially.

The notion that ANY of these clubs should have to pay even one penny in compensation is a disgrace.

All and any sympathy i had for either clubs predicament is now long gone.

How would we be due anything? What have we done?

Arabdownsouth · 23/6/2020 8:30 pm

I can't bring myself to read the whole thing Tek but are you sure about them actually seeking compensation from the clubs? I just honest to God have never heard of anything so utterly bizarre in my lifetime. Even if, and its not even remotely true, but even if they perceived that we have done them any injustice, what the fuck are Stranraer being sued for the poor cunts? If the Dundee vote is the issue why are they not in fucking court? Absolutely scunnered by the whole thing!

Tek · 23/6/2020 8:50 pm

Arabdownsouth wrote:
I can't bring myself to read the whole thing Tek but are you sure about them actually seeking compensation from the clubs?

They seek 8 million (Hearts) and 2 million (Partick) from 'the Company' i.e. the SPFL (which is of course made up of the member 42 clubs including themselves.

They seek their legal fees and expenses to be paid for by the 'respondents' who oppose their petition i.e. Utd,Raith, Cove and Stranraer.👇

I don't normally buy into hyperbole used by tabloids when they scream out headlines like 'CLUBS AT WAR' etc etc.

But make no mistake Hearts/Partick have made it personal here and have went to War with our club.

It won't be forgotten by me and makes Neilson's disloyalty all the more unpalatable in my eyes.

Arabdownsouth · 23/6/2020 8:57 pm

Tek wrote:
Arabdownsouth wrote:
I can't bring myself to read the whole thing Tek but are you sure about them actually seeking compensation from the clubs?
They seek 8 million (Hearts) and 2 million (Partick) from 'the Company' i.e. the SPFL (which is of course made up of the member 42 clubs including themselves.

They seek their legal fees and expenses to be paid for by the 'respondents' who oppose their petition i.e. Utd,Raith, Cove and Stranraer.👇

I don't normally buy into hyperbole used by tabloids when they scream out headlines like 'CLUBS AT WAR' etc etc.

But make no mistake Hearts/Partick have made it personal here and have went to War with our club.

It won't be forgotten by me and makes Neilson's disloyalty all the more unpalatable in my eyes.

I completely share your sentiments mate. Still confused why Stranraer are one of the respondents though as they are victims of relegation themselves? Unless I'm missing something here lol

PatReilly · 23/6/2020 9:14 pm

Can't really see where in the document Stranraer are under any threat from Thistle and Hearts. And the press analysis seems quite wayward.

The two clubs are mounting a legal challenge against the SPFL decisions, with United, Raith and Cove as collateral damage in their dream scenario, as far as I can make out. But they are overstating their desire, which is in reality a huge amount of compensation from the meagre SPFL coffers, not directly from United, Raith and Cove.

I don't think we've got much to be bothered about, apart from, as part of the SPFL, having to make a contribution to damages if awarded. And I think the relegated clubs will lose the challenge at any rate.

We (plus Raith and Cove) have engaged legal folk in case the worst happens, I expect.

All the above is simply my guesswork, but cast yourself back four years: do you think the SPFL would have been a wee bit more proactive if a pandemic had shut down the leagues in similar circumstances, and the then Championship winners had been threatened by relegated Dundee United with legal action to keep the promoted sides down?

The answer is most certainly.

Arabnophobia · 23/6/2020 10:12 pm

Tek wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
And on the Dundee vote, I've heard a good few times that clubs had 28 days to change their mind on their initial vote.
I'm not sure that's the case mate.

The clubs definitely had 28 days to register their vote (but were being urged to try and get their vote in for the Friday 5pm 'deadline').

Once the clubs vote was in though, i'm not sure they were able to change it though. Why would they be?

Would leave the vote open to all kinds of corruption and counter offers if that were the case.

Aye. Heard it loads of times on the radio and apparently its part of the written rules for sure.

Worried though.

Will probably celebrate like I did when we were voted Champions again if we are confirmed as Prem status after this legal case.

Most legal folk publically chipping in state a 50-50 chance either way which worries me more but seem baffled and rekon most opinions in that respect are based on legal knowledge without much knowledge of the football rules under the SFA and SPFL.

Donald Findlay QC was the only ain to sound mair confident in our favour and he has mair knowledge of baith fitba and court systems combined if that is relevant. 🙏

Arabnophobia · 23/6/2020 10:25 pm

I suspect Budge is pandering to every aspect, both sides of Hearts support(get on with it or fight) , boosting income and rallying their foundation and financial donors, playing her cards clever on good business advice from good business people.

She is not a football person naturally but playing it clever for an end game that helps financially more than hopes to realistically win outright.

She will say cheerio soon after this Clusterfuck in the best fashion she can muster with loads of help from experienced, successful business people.

Hopefully she hands her status and position to the fan run side as a team in the Fundesliga and they have similar results next season v Alloa and QoTS plus mair and watch a team other than Dees or them be promoted.

Tek · 23/6/2020 11:08 pm

Apologies i was wrong about Stranraer being one of the 'respondents' due to pay compo. I misread that part as they were lumped in with the three other named clubs (namely Utd,Raith and Cove).

They are actually mentioned as one of the four 'affected clubs'. The 3 respondents are just Utd, Raith and Cove.

As i say it's a 30 page document and quite hard to follow in places due to all the legal jargon.

Think i'm correct in my assumptions on everything else though.

PatReilly · 23/6/2020 11:19 pm

Budge continuing her shithousery by trying to poach Leeann Dempster from Hibs

Arabnophobia · 23/6/2020 11:26 pm

Tek wrote:
Apologies i was wrong about Stranraer being one of the 'respondents' due to pay compo. I misread that part as they were lumped in with the three other named clubs (namely Utd,Raith and Cove).

They are actually mentioned as one of the four 'affected clubs'. The 3 respondents are just Utd, Raith and Cove.

As i say it's a 30 page document and quite hard to follow in places due to all the legal jargon.

Think i'm correct in my assumptions on everything else though.

Dinna worry too much about being wrang at this point in time bud.

The hail thing needs brainstormed and picked apart.

Things are as messy, complicated, hard to predict or have a clue what to wish for, expect or want in the unknown/unforseen end bud!

Arabnophobia · 23/6/2020 11:42 pm

Tobias Smollett wrote:
It'll all come down to interpretation of the law, which is always subjective. Whoever presides over the matter will ultimately decide the outcome, as both sides have reasonable grounds for their actions.

For example, if it's the Lord Wolfe QC - a well-kent Jambo - then we're probably fucked. That said, we still have to see the SPFLs response, which we'll see in two days time.

Did cross my mind to worry who the judge might be in Edinburgh Court system.

Arabnophobia · 23/6/2020 11:43 pm

We always seem to be up against it fir sure in Scottish fitba circles.

David_Blunkett · 23/6/2020 11:48 pm

Hope to fuck Hearts are kicked into touch sharpish, first payment is due on the season ticket on the 1st of July.

24/6/2020 8:01 am

Tobias Smollett wrote:
It'll all come down to interpretation of the law, which is always subjective. Whoever presides over the matter will ultimately decide the outcome, as both sides have reasonable grounds for their actions.

For example, if it's the Lord Wolfe QC - a well-kent Jambo - then we're probably fucked. That said, we still have to see the SPFLs response, which we'll see in two days time.

Is this not a contradiction Toby?
All's fair unless the judge is a Jambo?

bowers · 24/6/2020 9:15 am

I see that Hearts and Thistle can face expulsion from the league.

I hope this happens fuck the pair of them

Arab93 · 24/6/2020 11:35 am

bowers wrote:
I see that Hearts and Thistle can face expulsion from the league.

I hope this happens fuck the pair of them

Yeah not to be bitter (i do feel sorry on Partick) but I hope Hearts do a Rangers - Arseholes.

blackandtangerine · 24/6/2020 12:41 pm

Arab93 wrote:
bowers wrote:
I see that Hearts and Thistle can face expulsion from the league.

I hope this happens fuck the pair of them

Yeah not to be bitter (i do feel sorry on Partick) but I hope Hearts do a Rangers - Arseholes.

Fuck the both of them.

Arabdownsouth · 24/6/2020 1:06 pm

blackandtangerine wrote:
Arab93 wrote:
bowers wrote:
I see that Hearts and Thistle can face expulsion from the league.

I hope this happens fuck the pair of them

Yeah not to be bitter (i do feel sorry on Partick) but I hope Hearts do a Rangers - Arseholes.
Fuck the both of them.

Snap! No fucking sympathy for Partick as they are trying to fuck us over.

24/6/2020 2:28 pm

Hearts and Thistle can be expelled or suspended from the SPFL if they have violated article 99 of the SFAs Articles which forbids any member from taking legal action against another member in the courts. Hearts claim their petition is not against members but directed at the SPFL.
In order to be expelled or suspended 11 of the 12 SPL clubs would have to vote for such a measure.
That will not happen and Budge knows this.
Neither the SFA nor a gathering of the SPFL can broker a compromise as such a climbdown would invite future legal threats from members with an axe to grind
The Court case is the only way of resolving Hearts' grievances.
I suspect the court will uphold the SPFLs decision and Hearts will receive no compensation.

Last edited by Marklandsvelvettouch (24/6/2020 2:32 pm)

Finn Seemann · 24/6/2020 2:52 pm

Doncaster now issues a resolution to the clubs 5 minutes before the requirement to lodge defences to the Court saying they didn't have the powers to deal with bringing the season to an end early the last time. Hearts and Thistle will be delighted fully justifying their court action and some level of compensation ore even a null and void season decision. You couldn't make it up - he's clearly at it and this is all a plan to try to make a court say null and void and attempt to save face. Astounded...!!!

Arabnophobia · 24/6/2020 3:12 pm

Finn Seemann wrote:
Doncaster now issues a resolution to the clubs 5 minutes before the requirement to lodge defences to the Court saying they didn't have the powers to deal with bringing the season to an end early the last time. Hearts and Thistle will be delighted fully justifying their court action and some level of compensation ore even a null and void season decision. You couldn't make it up - he's clearly at it and this is all a plan to try to make a court say null and void and attempt to save face. Astounded...!!!

I don't read it that way mate. It was and is well known that the rule book didn't cover a season ending early. That's why all these new resolutions had to be voted for in such a messy way that they now want something written in and agreed to avoid another shit show in the future.