PatReilly wrote:

Fair enough: if it had been up to me, I wouldn't have dignified the Hearts/Thistle action with any comment.

 
I'm glad they have and would be concerned if they didn't Pat. We need to fight this.

I'm sure this will be our only comment as it's now a legal issue and our legal folk will be telling all employees to say nothing.

Big win for legal profession.

This threat and action fae Budge is a last resort I understand but shouldn't have been taken.

I had sympathy for Hearts but they've now taken it too far.

Fitba(SFA) rules that have always been there there say not to involve the legal system.

The knock on actions within the rules are vague but state bad repercussions and rightly so as legal courts cost mair than money and could be countered over and over to the detriment of the game.

Too far, too extreme and affy risky.

All legal folk will feel equally confident about fighting this caper fae either side whilst advising to the best of their ability whilst cashing in.

Bottom line is they and Partick have gone intae uncharted territory supposedly forbidden in the fitba world with penalties never dished out previously.

I'd now like them expelled but rekon their full on tactful driven fear might get them a compromise.

That needs squashed/binned/battered down or any team can play the same legal card in future and fuck fitba over through the legal system.

We all knew it was coming, when Recon #37 & all else failed it was going to be off to the Courts
What we didn't realise that it could impact directly on US.
This French precedent (not Macron ) worries me tho...
Surely it could not happen, there would be a riot ffs.

LarsErikKjell wrote:

The French one was because the french FA forced it on clubs. The spfl members voted in favour of it here. So i think/hope we are covered on that front.

Good point LEK, let's not overlook that.
This will do nothing for Hearts popularity. They have been bringing this upon themselves for more than a decade now. Some bad comings & goings in their boardroom.
Feel for their fans really, not their fault.
Got a new stadium to die for too (in a Scottish context).

Tek wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

Fair enough: if it had been up to me, I wouldn't have dignified the Hearts/Thistle action with any comment.

I would have sent Hearts/Partick each a letter saying 'take it up with the SPFL'. Or words to that affect.

As an aside it's curious why Utd feel the need to seek 'external lawyers' to act in the clubs interests, considering we have a full-time lawyer on the pay roll.

Only reason i could speculate as to why is perhaps Utd/Raith/Cove have decided the same legal team should represent all three? 
 

 
Actually there could be another reason for external lawyers that should be consider and not to so with the joint legal bid.


This court case will be at the Court of Session so you will be an Advocate or Solicitor Advocate for representation on such a case.

I would assume that the legal team United have may not be qualified as that an more specialised as sport law which would be fine in a sheriff court civil matter.

So you would then need external solicitors  that either have an individual qualified as a Solicitor Advocate or to appoint an Advocate on the clubs behalf.

I thought all the Scottish Coorts were closed including the Court of Session, only dealing with Emergency Cases (eg. Child Protection / Domestic Abuse).

Nearly all cases are on the back burner, including Civvy cases, and you would think that, even when the Coorts get back to normal, cases will be put in the queue depending on priority, notwithstanding the swathe of Criminal cases which are mounting up.

Of coorse the Legal Team representing Herts will try to convince the Judge that their case is Urgent, but then the opposing Legal Team ( the SPFL et al) will counter that.

No Legal qualifications at all, just Joe Soap. So anybody with more know-how than me should feel free to pick holes in what I've sayed.

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Arabdownsouth wrote:

ArabChris wrote:

Tek wrote:

I would have sent Hearts/Partick each a letter saying 'take it up with the SPFL'. Or words to that affect.

As an aside it's curious why Utd feel the need to seek 'external lawyers' to act in the clubs interests, considering we have a full-time lawyer on the pay roll.

Only reason i could speculate as to why is perhaps Utd/Raith/Cove have decided the same legal team should represent all three? 
 

 
Actually there could be another reason for external lawyers that should be consider and not to so with the joint legal bid.


This court case will be at the Court of Session so you will be an Advocate or Solicitor Advocate for representation on such a case.

I would assume that the legal team United have may not be qualified as that an more specialised as sport law which would be fine in a sheriff court civil matter.

So you would then need external solicitors  that either have an individual qualified as a Solicitor Advocate or to appoint an Advocate on the clubs behalf.

 
You seem to know your legal stuff mate, what's our chances? 😉

I remember that from my HNC and HND in Legal Services at college back between 2006 and 2008.

As for the chances of success I would be reluctant to stab a guess at with out knowing the legal arguments on both sides.

If I was was going on my gut feeling I would say the case will be rejected.

I could be wrong though.
 

UniDundee wrote:

The Court of session in Edinburgh has given the SPFL 48hours to prepare their defence of the Hearts/Partick case (Thursday 5pm). 

Not long at all! 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5733369/spfl-two-days-hearts-partick-court/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592921285

 
Isn't it just the same thing as the initial 7 days to respond?

Here is a copy of Hearts legal document up for consideration at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Thursday.
https://www.docdroid.net/xcy36g8/petition-of-heart-of-midlothian-football-club-and-another-p-20-petition-pdf

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Tek wrote:

Here is a copy of Hearts legal document up for consideration at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Thursday.
https://www.docdroid.net/xcy36g8/petition-of-heart-of-midlothian-football-club-and-another-p-20-petition-pdf

 
Yeah tried reading it earlier but my head nearly fell off, have you managed the whole thing yourself Tek?

Skimmed through the 30 pages mate.

Would seem looking at article C17 from the court papers that Hearts/Partick don't have a leg to stand on regards the season's being ended prematurely and the teams occupying bottom spot being relegated as a consequence.

Their whole legal fight is now based on their arguement that Dundee FC's electronic vote should have been accepted first time round.

To be honest i'm utterly fuming reading those documents. This is blatant opportunism from both clubs. This is nothing to do with escaping demotion now and everything to do with seeking hefty (and disproportionate) financial compensation.

What has angered me more than anything is that they seek said compensation from not just the SPFL but also the 4 named clubs (Dundee Utd, Raith, Cove and Stranraer). Fucking Stranraer. One of the teams they argued they were trying to protect and fight for initially.

The notion that ANY of these clubs should have to pay even one penny in compensation is a disgrace. 

All and any sympathy i had for either clubs predicament is now long gone.
 

Think the fixtures are supposed to be out on 3rd of July if I mind right?