If the spfl board had come up with 14-14-14 in April, would we have been happy with that? It could have avoided all the acrimony that now exists, and will be hard to reconcile. Over and above saving the potential costs of court outcomes, or settlements made outside the courts.

blackandtangerine wrote:

NO. why would they? The spfl are the clubs. The clubs voted NO. 
 

  I'm meaning the spfl board, in these unusual times, could have been, and still should be in these difficult times, trying to lead and heal division. Agree about Brechin too: a lot of the media are ill informed.

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Partick Thistle, Hearts and Stranraer. Add Falkirk and ICT also, everyone of these clubs would have voted against reconstruction if they hadn't been directly affected. They can call out the 26 clubs all they want but the fact is, everyone of them would have voted for their own selfish interests too had the shoe been on the other foot.

I agree. That's possibly why I think the board should have taken on a mantle of leadership.

There would also be a number if teams disgruntled with a 14 14 14. Cove for instance, have spent huge money to get promoted and would find themselves in the bottom league.

Impossible to please everybody but I'd rather punish teams who have been woeful rather than teams who have done well.

As a side note the form table for the teams hearts could hope to catch

St mirren 5th
Ross County 9th
Hamilton 4th
Hearts 12th

Last point on hearts - 2 of there remaining games were against aberdeen and hibs...a struggle to get points from either of them. They are guff, were not in a magic piece of form and fully deserve the boot.

Budgie is pointing blame at others when it was a succession of poor decisions on her part that put hearts at risk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53080219

"As matters stand, we have not asked the Court to grant an interim interdict which would prevent next [Premiership] season commencing on 1 August," the joint statement said. "However, we have to reserve our right to do so in the event that becomes necessary."

The SPFL now has seven days to respond to the petition.

"We would emphasise instead that we have no wish to disrupt Scottish football but rather our aim is to have the proceedings litigated to a conclusion as quickly as possible."

It's a mess. I'm not advocating going to 14-14-14 at any stage, just asking the question. If it was my personal choice, I'd favour 20-22 to get more different away days. 

That'll never happen, for example there have to be 4 Glasgow twin derby matches according to those itk to satisfy tv contracts. Wonder what would happen if the tv companies insisted on 4 Edinburgh derbies? That would be (even further) restriction of trade, surely?

Tangy wrote:

There would also be a number if teams disgruntled with a 14 14 14. Cove for instance, have spent huge money to get promoted and would find themselves in the bottom league.

Impossible to please everybody but I'd rather punish teams who have been woeful rather than teams who have done well.

As a side note the form table for the teams hearts could hope to catch

St mirren 5th
Ross County 9th
Hamilton 4th
Hearts 12th

Last point on hearts - 2 of there remaining games were against aberdeen and hibs...a struggle to get points from either of them. They are guff, were not in a magic piece of form and fully deserve the boot.

Budgie is pointing blame at others when it was a succession of poor decisions on her part that put hearts at risk

You are of course correct, Tangy, think I said as much about Cove and others in post #104. I'm posting to keep the discussion going, because, as Arabnophobia has posted above, this affair is going to keep going for quite a while.

Tangy wrote:

Latest statement from hearts is a load of balls.

Threaten whilst trying to unsettle 40 other teams. Tbh any little piece of doubt I had has gone out the window. There are clubs who are working on the limits and further doubts will put added pressure on them.

Maybe jambos don't think the likes of cowdenbeath or raith or other such teams matter but without cowdenbeath, we dont have jimmy gomis. We maybe don't have a cup in 2010. Without raith, no brewster and no 1994 cup win.

Fuck hearts and all who sail in her

 
They are talking about putting a hold on the Premiership season, the lower leagues are already on hold. Fuck them still obviously 😋

Cannae see them suing.
Cannae see them winning.
Cannae see why clubs should act in anybody's interests but their own.

Freeze out Thistle & Hearts.

In come Kelty & Brora. Fuck them

MockChop wrote:

Freeze out Thistle & Hearts.

In come Kelty & Brora. Fuck them

 
I can get behind this 😂

LarsErikKjell wrote:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-partick-thistles-10million-pay-22210164

Wow...

If that story is true then that's worrying.

However it would just cause mayhem as I'm sure we would counter sue.

This will piss a lot of clubs off.
 

LarsErikKjell wrote:

 
Definitely a concerning article. Basically Hearts/Partick are trying to fuck over Cove, Raith and United but dont want to upset Rangers and Celtic so are saying that all standings should be final, keep the prize money, keep the titles, keep the league placings for Europe but DONT promote or relegate anyone.

Fuck off you couple of tinpot bastards. You went down because you were the shittest team in the leagues you played in, simple as fucking that.

They are trying to find a loophole somewhere in the SPFL rules. They clearly state that the league can be called at any time with the final standings taken. Because they dont use the words Promotion/Relegation in the rules, they think there is a way of reversing it.

That's a good summation of the article, but there are no names behind the quotes, and I don't see Ringers and Celtic or Europe mentioned. Maybe the article has been altered at some point right enough. And the two cunts writing it, Ralston and Jackson, never want to upset certain clubs, so it's more than likely they've put their own slant on in, besides inventing their sources.

It's concerning and intended to be disruptive though. Good that Stranraer haven't got themselves involved, they are an innocent party in this and deserve to keep their heads held high.
 

Lancashire-Arab wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

LarsErikKjell wrote:

 
Definitely a concerning article. Basically Hearts/Partick are trying to fuck over Cove, Raith and United but dont want to upset Rangers and Celtic so are saying that all standings should be final, keep the prize money, keep the titles, keep the league placings for Europe but DONT promote or relegate anyone.

Fuck off you couple of tinpot bastards. You went down because you were the shittest team in the leagues you played in, simple as fucking that.

They are trying to find a loophole somewhere in the SPFL rules. They clearly state that the league can be called at any time with the final standings taken. Because they dont use the words Promotion/Relegation in the rules, they think there is a way of reversing it.

That's a good summation of the article, but there are no names behind the quotes, and I don't see Ringers and Celtic or Europe mentioned. Maybe the article has been altered at some point right enough. And the two cunts writing it, Ralston and Jackson, never want to upset certain clubs, so it's more than likely they've put their own slant on in, besides inventing their sources.

It's concerning and intended to be disruptive though. Good that Stranraer haven't got themselves involved, they are an innocent party in this and deserve to keep their heads held high.
 

I wonder how much of this is now about them not being relegated and how much is just looking for a pay off to make all of this go away so next season can start.

Amazed all through this it was about 'no club being worse off as a result of the pandemic' now there is a risk, if this was to drag out, for a lot of clubs to be in a far worse position 

 
Yep, they are even happy to fuck over those clubs that voted in favour of reconstruction. Greater good and sporting integrity though aye! 🙄🤔

Finn Seemann wrote:

Time to call their bluff and play the season to a conclusion.

At least every club now has a reason to make sure they don't lose to them.  I did feel a bit sorry for Thistle (I like Low - she'll be fighting for people's livelihoods which is fair enough).  I dislike Hearts (always have since I was hit by a golf ball with a nail through it at Tannadice in the 80s thrown by one of their 'fans') and I think they have always shown a shocking level of entitlement - like their west coast cousins.  This tops it though.

Nothing would now give me greater pleasure than seeing them relegated 'fair and square'.

So what Hearts are now saying is, whilst they looked like the team most likely to go down and at the end of the season, as voted by them, they were rooted to the bottom of the league, they now want to benefit/profit from Covid-19 by either being saved from relegation or taking a massive pay-off from other clubs to take their medicine.  The rest of the country are not receiving any such benefit (at least not that they won't pay for in the long run).  For me sporting integrity says that the team that were the worst in the league when we were all thrown into turmoil by something outwith anyone's control should accept that they are relegated and that by the same sporting integrity that the club in the league below them should benefit from their sporting success.  

And by the way, if ever there was a need to clear out Doncaster and his cronies - it has never been clearer now.
 

 
Playing the season to a conclusion can't possibly happen, clubs will go out of business first. It would require all clubs to bri g their squads back from furlough and start paying their wages themselves whilst having zero income. Aside from that it would open up even more legal claims after clubs have already agreed and voted on the situation we have at the moment.

AlonsMosely wrote:

It would be nice if even just once the phrase sporting integrity was used for sporting integrity......

Budge after nothing but compo from day 1......

or two seasons to turn Hearts around hence the temporary reconstruction.

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