Arabnophobia wrote:

MockChop wrote:

If Old Firm reserves were to get a place in any new leagues, I’d be 100% done with Scottish football.

 
Think 90 odd percent of Scottish fitba fans feel very strongly the same. Can't see this type of chronic shite hitting us but needs replies and fought against.

Can't even believe its getting the media coverage it's had so far. Total gobshite but mibbies not surprising as the media loves a controversial slant with Weegie proposals and pishy propaganda.

 
You mean 90 odd percent of non old firm fans I assume? Does anyone at the SPFL really care what the rest of us think though? I doubt it.

On the day Ann Budge was on Sportsound, talking about this guy and the millions offered, she sounded very calm about Hearts’ future. Kinda ‘what will be, will be..’

Was a departure for her. Then this guy meets with Doncaster. We now have a 14 team league on the table and he says he reckons it’s got support. Hmm

Tobias Smollett wrote:

SuperMario,

What makes you so sure we won't stay down?  Granted, we've been awarded our prize money from the SPFL for finishing top of the league, but I can't find anyone from the authorities saying that we're promoted.

Could you confirm that, please?

 
SPFL in first statement when vote result was announced mate

Daily Record reporting the new proposal could be dead in the water already. Ross County already vocal about voting against and a number of Championship teams also against it apparently. Fine by me.

From a financial point of view - say this 14 Premiership had gone through... We get one or both of the ugly sisters at home during the closed door/no away fans section of the season - the club misses out on anywhere between £125,000 - 200,000. If we dont finish top 6 then thats it, our opponents after the split are likely your Hamiltons, Ross County bringing zero away fans.

It’s step 2 in the plan for the Old Firm to leave Scotland. Step 1 was colt teams in the Challenge Cup.

IMO

My points in bold, Tobias.

Tobias Smollett wrote:

Tin hat on.

I wouldn't necessarily be against this proposal.  It would be in an 18-team League One. 

Only initially in League One: in the latest failed proposal they could be promoted to the Championship, then if and when, and maybe even if not, the big sides got another league to play in, they'd be into the top league. They'd potentially be denying other well established clubs a chance of success and promotion, as well as leapfrogging the pyramid system and all the clubs below League One.

They would have to pay smaller clubs to use their stadia to play in, hence extra cash for the lower league.  They are offering to pay for 200 tickets for every away games.  Again, more cash incentive notwithstanding the 125K entry fee. 

The entry fee, as you call it, would be offset by place prize money (again denying other clubs the cash). The extra cash for the lower league would be lost by supporters of the home side boycotting, as they do in the Challenge Cup, and if the boycott was permanent, they'd lose supporters forever. As Mock Chop stated, I too would be finished with Scottish football had this gone ahead: only bought my season ticket on Friday, after this nonsense had been booted out again. The 200 ticket thing would see the briefs being distributed to players for friends and family, almost the only folk who presently bother watching Celger colt sides.

Plus, the option is open for other teams to do likewise, including our own. 

That option isn't open, "likewise" isn't starting in a lower league than the pair of Glasgow clubs. The off the cuff suggestion is other colt sides could start at Highland or Lowland league level, which is as unsporting, but not likewise.

Lastly, it would be an advantage for younger players to get meaningful experience playing in a competitive league.

Would it? If it was, where would that be an advantage to any side apart from the two involved? 

I'm not sure how it would work vis-à-vis player registration - would a 'B' team player also be able to play for the full team in the same season?  Would they have to wait until the transfer window to 'move' to the full team and vice versa?  Moreover, would it limit the amount of loans that Rangers and Celtic farm out to the lower league teams?

Players could move between leagues and ignore the transfer window, as they'd be registered to the one club, not two.

I am surprised it was completely dismissed as a viable option as soon as it was proposed.  Perhaps the timing isn't right and requires further consultation - especially as fans' perspectives weren't even considered.

It's had plenty consultation: supporters don't want it. Why do you think a supporter of a lower league side would ever welcome games against colt teams? I'm surprised that you imagine they would.

Tobias, I don't think it has been suggested by any club that promotion within the SPFL would be unfair, and there hasn't been an inkling of it not happening.

Clubs won't vote on fairness, they'll vote based on financial self interest.

It was me who mentioned 'fairness'. There is no chance of United not being promoted.

Tobias Smollett wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

Reconstruction: unlike many on here, I think it's unfair to relegate clubs, from a financial and fairness position. Therefore of the suggestions, 14-10-10-10 is what I'd favour. 

There's little advantage in the anonymous Anderson putting cash into Scottish football if relegated clubs are successful in suing the league for three times that amount. And we'd be more than miffed if United were in Hearts' situation. 

This is my worry.  If teams decide that it's unfair to relegate teams, then they could just as easily say that it's unfair to promote teams, also.  This could result in United being denied promotion

WE ARE PROMOTED. What part of this do you not get? We are voting in this reconstruction debacle as a Top league club as WE HAVE BEEN PROMOTED. irrespective of what happens with hearts we are in the top league.

Hearts former chairman now urging the SPFL to use executive powers to force through reconstruction if its not voted through. Otherwise he's talking about damaging the league and all its member clubs financially. What happened to the greater good then? 😂

Tobias Smollett wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

Tobias Smollett wrote:

This is my worry.  If teams decide that it's unfair to relegate teams, then they could just as easily say that it's unfair to promote teams, also.  This could result in United being denied promotion

WE ARE PROMOTED. What part of this do you not get? We are voting in this reconstruction debacle as a Top league club as WE HAVE BEEN PROMOTED. irrespective of what happens with hearts we are in the top league.

Are you sure?

The proposal states, quite explicitly, that the motion requires that at least 11 of the 12 clubs from the Premiership must vote in favour for the vote to pass successfully.

If you include United as part of the 12, then that means one of last seasons Premier teams are (by extension) not considered a Premier team currently.

12 + United = 13.  Which club, which competed in the Premier last season, is no longer considered as part of the 12?

 
Obviously Hearts as they were relegated, not sure why this is unclear to you? Hearts can stamp their feet all they want but they cast their vote in favour of ending the season based on points per game and effectively voted that they are relegated due to being the shiteyest team in the top flight over the piece. To conclude, United are up and Hearts are fucking down. I'd like to end this with a fuck you to Anne Budge if I may? 👍😋

LarsErikKjell wrote:

Recon talks dead - confirmed by SPFL. 12-10-10-10 it is

 
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