Arabnophobia wrote:

The breakaway to form the SPFL was flawed in creating the voting system that needed baith ugly gready sisters to agree to allow real change in Scottish futba based on keeping the majority of the cash.

One bum cheek is well scelped & affy sair.

I'm delighted this shite system has stopped us from potentially being fucked over for once.

Hope Sevconians boycott Tannadice too.

I'd be worried tonight if that vote went the other way.

 
This for me too.

How either arse cheek has the fucking cheek ( no pun intended) to complain about the system, when the system has always been centered around their fucking best interests staggers me quite frankly.

Well it should at least, but of course nothing in Scottish football has the ability to stagger me anymore these days.

Of course they do so love to play the victim and they genuinely think these other teams support them in their plight. Of course they don't, they all care only about their own survival and nothing else. Individuals within other clubs with hunnery running through their veins will use the name of their own club to come out in support without revealing their true allegiance, this has been proved by the gadgee at Inverness.

I hope that all clubs can come through this, but not those horrible hun bastards, they can die never to ever be reborn!

+ Good on us for keeping schtoom.

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

We've got situation now where clubs think they can fart arse around for weeks. Pigs arse.
Best way forward for me is to slap baith cheeks. Won't happen more's the pity. Thank Christ money got divied up amongst lower leagues. Don't know where our game goes from here.
Off topic, does anybody watch the young Par Ben, cannae laddie. Just need to wean him over to the Tangerine side.

 
Wee Ben loved the Shed experience.
Made him better known as a YouTuber/Vloger.
Shed vid 6-2 has over 55 000 views so far.

Another YouTube lad (different style mair footage than Ben's Vloggy thing) is Tannaferry. He's uploaded some United stuff that's unseen or mainly rare. Latest ain...


 

Last edited by Tek (13/5/2020 11:26 pm)

All these votes are just giving folk more reasons to argue and cause mayhem, just end the top league like we have all the others and let's fucking move on.

Just for perspective, let's say they somehow manage to finish the top flight season and hearts were to avoid relegation by their own merits, does anyone here think they would then throw their weight behind temporary reconstruction to save Partick and Stranraer? Would they fuckers like!

Tek wrote:

  
Teams have previously won the Championship (or 1st Division i think it was at the time) and got shafted because they didn't have an all-seater plus 10k stadium. They had to take that on the chin.

That all this fuss is being made just for Hearts shows the top flight up for what some have always suspected it to be = an old boys club. 

SPFL have to show leadership here and step in to end all this wrangling. They're essentially leaving it up to the clubs to sort out and that is never going to end well.

Utter ineptitude by Doncaster + Co (who should no longer be in their roles after this latest fiasco).

Just quoting a section of your post, Tek, but I don't think the present reconstruction issue can be compared with the all-seater/10,000 seats situation. Clubs knew before the seasons began what the rules were in these situations, debilitating rules as they were. Some clubs stretched themselves to satisfy the rules, others decided to chance their arm, in the same way Hearts are presently.

I agree Doncaster and his troupe shouldn't be in their present roles, but not because of their handling of the present state of affairs. The circumstances this season are unlike any tackled before. 

There's no solution which all 42 clubs will accept, it's probably best to find a system which penalises as few clubs as possible. 


 

Tek wrote:

There should not be another vote on anything. Absolute nonsense all this and quite frankly corrupt bollocks.

As said above if Accies or Livi were bottom the very notion of reconstruction would never have even been floated.

I have nothing against Hearts as a club but the whining of Budge etc is leaving a bad taste in the mouth now.

Teams have previously won the Championship (or 1st Division i think it was at the time) and got shafted because they didn't have an all-seater plus 10k stadium. They had to take that on the chin.

That all this fuss is being made just for Hearts shows the top flight up for what some have always suspected it to be = an old boys club. 

SPFL have to show leadership here and step in to end all this wrangling. They're essentially leaving it up to the clubs to sort out and thst is never going to end well.

Utter ineptitude by Doncaster + Co (who should no longer be in their roles after this latest fiasco).

 
Thanks for putting it better than me Tek 👍🤣

Tek wrote:

  
I didn't say those instances were comparable Pat.

Just using it to highlight two situations where clubs could rightfully claim they were treated unfairly.

Though only one has taken it on the chin.
 

Are the two clubs Falkirk and Hearts? If so, and you think they have been unfairly treated, I half agree.

Hearts have been unfairly treated in 2019-20, in my opinion, as they are presently in line to be relegated in a situation which was unexpected at the season's outset.

Falkirk sold their ground and didn't make any arrangements, within the timescale required, to ground share. Cash from the sale of Brockville was used to build up a strong pool of players. They knew the rules and ignored them, and have complained ever since about injustices, including this season, where they have far more to be unhappy about. Presently, they are being shat upon in the same way as Hearts.


 

Tangy wrote:

See barry hern has done an interview about scottish football and I think he is (again) spot on.

Even the fans can see how bad it looks yet we have clubs releasing statement after statement.
U dont see how it's that difficult.

Here's my plan.....(granted I'm not an expert like the spfl lads)

We go to the tv broadcasters and ask what they want from scottish football. I'm guessing it's something decent in the summer. 

We invite 3 highland league and 3 lowland league teams into the leagues and have 3 leagues of 16.

So for me start the season in october. Play the traditional big games over christmas ie derbies  etc. End the season at the end of july.  Play the scottish cup in the sunshine. In the league,
16 teams play each team home and away then split into a gold/silver divisions. Based on positions, 1st plays 8th, 2nd v 7th, 3rd v 6th and 4th v 5th home and away. Winners progress to winners of game 1and 3 play each other and 2 v 4. Then lastly, the 2 finals are played the week before Scottish football. Silver final on the saturday, gold on the Sunday. 

Teams have a minimum of 16 home games. Prize money paid out mostly on the league positions with extra funds for progression in the gold/silver league.

Relegation is decided at the end of the regular season. Bottom team is down and 2nd bottom the play off. In the leagues below, we keep the same format. With 2nd last and 2nd in the league below playing off. Keep the pyramid system too.

  We should also have some spare weeks in july/August where we could look for money spinning friendlies- I'd imagine that the premier teams down south would be keen to play against teams who are up to full speed.

As for the league cup, we would need to look at it as the fans arent buying into it. Its consistently providing record low crowds. Fans I believe would rather go and see a friendly against an irish team or something than a reserve team not cRing about playing cowdenbeath.

Lastly, we need the broadcasters to explain and put money into production. Showing some gormless twat from kilmarnock chewing a pie year after year is useless.

Lastly, the clubs need to create atmosphere. Fans are taken for granted. Get local companies to come in and sponsor giveaways etc - I went to ice hockey in the us last year and every person got a wee model of the company logo, sponsored by a Toyota dealer. Not that we can expect that - but surely we could get every u12 gets a something or whatever. Hire in the firey things we had for the playoffs and create a spectacle.

 
Sorry Tangy, bit confused lol.

Is this your own plan or one Barry Hearn has come up with?

smedDUm wrote:

SIX yrs ago Barry Hearn addresed a crowd of SPFL chirmen, CEO's, MD's at Hampden.

'I'm not an expert on Scottish football', he said, 'but looking at your financial figures it doesn't look like you are either'. Which drew a nervous laugh from the audience.

He went on...'Your Premier League doesn't have a sponsor' (it was thus in 2014 as it is now, Ladbrokes are offski). 'Do you know how long you'd work for Barry Hearn? You wouldn't get your coat off''.

'Sometimes you get stuck up your own backside', he concluded.

This was 6 years ago. It could have been said y'day. The article by Tom English (ace writer) is still on the BBC Sport Scottish Football website.

I think Tangy could get a job with Barry Hearn!

 
Yeah I know about the previous Barry Hearn thing, I wasn't sure if Tangy was saying there was a new one or if he was referring to the old one and the suggestions above were his own. Hence my confusion

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Tangy wrote:

See barry hern has done an interview about scottish football and I think he is (again) spot on.

Even the fans can see how bad it looks yet we have clubs releasing statement after statement.
U dont see how it's that difficult.

Here's my plan.....(granted I'm not an expert like the spfl lads)

We go to the tv broadcasters and ask what they want from scottish football. I'm guessing it's something decent in the summer. 

We invite 3 highland league and 3 lowland league teams into the leagues and have 3 leagues of 16.

So for me start the season in october. Play the traditional big games over christmas ie derbies  etc. End the season at the end of july.  Play the scottish cup in the sunshine. In the league,
16 teams play each team home and away then split into a gold/silver divisions. Based on positions, 1st plays 8th, 2nd v 7th, 3rd v 6th and 4th v 5th home and away. Winners progress to winners of game 1and 3 play each other and 2 v 4. Then lastly, the 2 finals are played the week before Scottish football. Silver final on the saturday, gold on the Sunday. 

Teams have a minimum of 16 home games. Prize money paid out mostly on the league positions with extra funds for progression in the gold/silver league.

Relegation is decided at the end of the regular season. Bottom team is down and 2nd bottom the play off. In the leagues below, we keep the same format. With 2nd last and 2nd in the league below playing off. Keep the pyramid system too.

  We should also have some spare weeks in july/August where we could look for money spinning friendlies- I'd imagine that the premier teams down south would be keen to play against teams who are up to full speed.

As for the league cup, we would need to look at it as the fans arent buying into it. Its consistently providing record low crowds. Fans I believe would rather go and see a friendly against an irish team or something than a reserve team not cRing about playing cowdenbeath.

Lastly, we need the broadcasters to explain and put money into production. Showing some gormless twat from kilmarnock chewing a pie year after year is useless.

Lastly, the clubs need to create atmosphere. Fans are taken for granted. Get local companies to come in and sponsor giveaways etc - I went to ice hockey in the us last year and every person got a wee model of the company logo, sponsored by a Toyota dealer. Not that we can expect that - but surely we could get every u12 gets a something or whatever. Hire in the firey things we had for the playoffs and create a spectacle.

 
Sorry Tangy, bit confused lol.

Is this your own plan or one Barry Hearn has come up with?

 
Ha - theres an updated story *first sunday post I've bought in years* from bh on top of the one 6 years ago. The guts of it is to the rest of sport we look stupid and all the infighting will have a damaging effect on tv deals and sponsorship as who wants to be associated with pettiness.

He said he wouldnt take the chief exec job unless he owned the spfl (not a bad thing imo).

It was really just an update- perhaps they saw the tom english article - maybe they surf tekel and saw me mention it the other week 😅

As for the plan, it's all mine. The good and bad bits.. imo the biggest issues are we dont know what the fans want and we dont know what the broadcasters want. Say we had summer football and it was the only sport on - do you think forfar roof truss would be near a football shirt or would we have nationally recognised brands

Imo scottish football is bland, repetitive and the only thing most teams can hope to win is a lower league title or the odd cup.

Last edited by Tangy (17/5/2020 4:16 pm)

does Michael Stewart call Ann Budge mummy?

How long before statements issued and legal action commenced!