Tek wrote:

It is honest. And i appreciate that, at least.

Depressing in parts also.

In reply to our spending being over our income = 'Over the next two or three we will be maximising our income' i.e. 'we will be selling players'.

Nothing new really. But it does get deeply frustrating that every time a player like Appéré or a Glass comes through, we only tend to see them now for a year or two tops or less in some cases (Scott Banks, though that's not the clubs fault).

Also the line 'Lawrence Shankland is too good for Dundee United'.

I get what he means in a way. The lad could and will play at a higher level than Utd and is using the club as a 'stepping stone' to get where he wants to go.

But again, it's slightly depressing that because a player is doing well at the club there is an automatic thought process that they are somehow 'too good' for Utd or outgrowing the club.

Maybe just me.

 

I get where you are coming from with this Tek. It can be taken a number of different ways which is the case for most interviews of this type. Through tangerine-tinted specs, the line about being too good for Utd does raise an eyebrow. But Asghar coming from a business perspective and thinking about 'this current' Dundee United is probably correct.

Glass, Appere have been sensible enough to sign new deals to 2022 (i think) and I'd like to think there is one more renewal in there before these guys are sold. But every club in the world bar 1 or 2 is a selling club and in many cases, can't function without selling players. Players like Benji, Robson, Harkes, Smith also have potential sell-on value if we are being honest.

When we lost a big chunk of the 2010 cup-winning team, our recruitment/academy was in place so that when players like Dixon, Gomis, Goodwillie, Daly, Kenneth, Swanson, Conway, Buaben all left, we had Armstrong, Souttar, Gauld, GMS, already at the club then recruited well with Robertson and Ciftci to ensure we had a team that could continue the momentum we'd built up. 7 or 8 years in a row in the top 6 didnt happen by accident. We had foundations in place.

Its important we do that again this time around as McNamara's 2015 recruitment got us into the position we are in now.

Robbie wont say it, but we'll need at least 5 first pick signings for next season to have any chance of being successful up there.
 

Tek wrote:

It is honest. And i appreciate that, at least.

Depressing in parts also.

In reply to our spending being over our income = 'Over the next two or three we will be maximising our income' i.e. 'we will be selling players'.

Nothing new really. But it does get deeply frustrating that every time a player like Appéré or a Glass comes through, we only tend to see them now for a year or two tops or less in some cases (Scott Banks, though that's not the clubs fault).

Also the line 'Lawrence Shankland is too good for Dundee United'.

I get what he means in a way. The lad could and will play at a higher level than Utd and is using the club as a 'stepping stone' to get where he wants to go.

But again, it's slightly depressing that because a player is doing well at the club there is an automatic thought process that they are somehow 'too good' for Utd or outgrowing the club.

Maybe just me.

 

I cannot think of any other first team player that he could possibly say that about tbh.

LarsErikKjell wrote:

kdyteejay wrote:

Tek wrote:

It is honest. And i appreciate that, at least.

Depressing in parts also.

In reply to our spending being over our income = 'Over the next two or three we will be maximising our income' i.e. 'we will be selling players'.

Nothing new really. But it does get deeply frustrating that every time a player like Appéré or a Glass comes through, we only tend to see them now for a year or two tops or less in some cases (Scott Banks, though that's not the clubs fault).

Also the line 'Lawrence Shankland is too good for Dundee United'.

I get what he means in a way. The lad could and will play at a higher level than Utd and is using the club as a 'stepping stone' to get where he wants to go.

But again, it's slightly depressing that because a player is doing well at the club there is an automatic thought process that they are somehow 'too good' for Utd or outgrowing the club.

Maybe just me.

 

I cannot think of any other first team player that he could possibly say that about tbh.

 
Certainly had a few these last 4 years who are the complete opposite and are 'Not good enough for Dundee United'

A lot more than a few.

PatReilly wrote:

LarsErikKjell wrote:

  
I get where you are coming from with this Tek. It can be taken a number of different ways which is the case for most interviews of this type. Through tangerine-tinted specs, the line about being too good for Utd does raise an eyebrow. But Asghar coming from a business perspective and thinking about 'this current' Dundee United is probably correct.

Glass, Appere have been sensible enough to sign new deals to 2022 (i think) and I'd like to think there is one more renewal in there before these guys are sold. But every club in the world bar 1 or 2 is a selling club and in many cases, can't function without selling players. Players like Benji, Robson, Harkes, Smith also have potential sell-on value if we are being honest.

When we lost a big chunk of the 2010 cup-winning team, our recruitment/academy was in place so that when players like Dixon, Gomis, Goodwillie, Daly, Kenneth, Swanson, Conway, Buaben all left, we had Armstrong, Souttar, Gauld, GMS, already at the club then recruited well with Robertson and Ciftci to ensure we had a team that could continue the momentum we'd built up. 7 or 8 years in a row in the top 6 didnt happen by accident. We had foundations in place.

Its important we do that again this time around as McNamara's 2015 recruitment got us into the position we are in now.

Robbie wont say it, but we'll need at least 5 first pick signings for next season to have any chance of being successful up there.
 

I agree with you. The club can't run on fresh air, and we have always had to sell to progress (or in some cases, with ST in charge, regress). Football is played in the business world, and with the crowds we get any outstanding talent at our level will always be sold on.

Mentioning crowds, the one wee flaw in the future club plan might be the thinking that crowds are going to get better in the top league. Away supports will generally increase in the top league, but I don't see the home average getting much better than it is presently.

Another angle: to make the club attractive to decent footballing prospects, we have to be seen to be providing the avenue and incentive for players to progress. Seeing a player move on from Dundee United to a higher level will be an appealing vision for good players to come to the club.

 
The point on crowds, hibs, hearts, Aberdeen, Celtic, zombies will bring what Dundee bring to derbies, also I would imagine most of them games will be on the tv, so there’s a massive increase in income, couldn’t tell you how much more but I would imagine it would be quite a large increase

PatReilly wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

Mentioning crowds, the one wee flaw in the future club plan might be the thinking that crowds are going to get better in the top league. Away supports will generally increase in the top league, but I don't see the home average getting much better than it is presently.
 

The point on crowds, hibs, hearts, Aberdeen, Celtic, zombies will bring what Dundee bring to derbies, also I would imagine most of them games will be on the tv, so there’s a massive increase in income, couldn’t tell you how much more but I would imagine it would be quite a large increase

Aye, I'm saying the away crowds will increase, the home crowds might not. The home crowds will drop in matches against the teams you mention, probably quite alarmingly in comparison to the Dundee matches.

TV money will increase, but I don't think clubs get paid much for individual appearances, in anything at all. Does it not all go into a pot and get divided out based on league placings?

'Most' of the games being on live television will probably lead to a drop in season ticket sales, if not in the novelty first season back up, then in following years.
 

 
We will still be a hell of a lot better off in the big league, pretty sure of that. We can attract a better quality of players so that will hopefully inspire people to turn up too.

PatReilly wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

Mentioning crowds, the one wee flaw in the future club plan might be the thinking that crowds are going to get better in the top league. Away supports will generally increase in the top league, but I don't see the home average getting much better than it is presently.
 

The point on crowds, hibs, hearts, Aberdeen, Celtic, zombies will bring what Dundee bring to derbies, also I would imagine most of them games will be on the tv, so there’s a massive increase in income, couldn’t tell you how much more but I would imagine it would be quite a large increase

Aye, I'm saying the away crowds will increase, the home crowds might not. The home crowds will drop in matches against the teams you mention, probably quite alarmingly in comparison to the Dundee matches.

TV money will increase, but I don't think clubs get paid much for individual appearances, in anything at all. Does it not all go into a pot and get divided out based on league placings?

'Most' of the games being on live television will probably lead to a drop in season ticket sales, if not in the novelty first season back up, then in following years.
 

 
Get you!

Yeah I think u could be right about tv money, another thing is if the ugly sisters get in champions league, I’m sure u get a big chunk of money too