SuperMario wrote:

Utter powder puff.

2nd to absolutely everything all night, completely pathetic performance- hoof ball and hope for the best all night.

Don’t even get me started on the subbies utterly bizarre from Goodwin

Why has miller Thomson been completely frozen out??

Babunski and trapa are absolutely miles off it- useless for a few weeks now, can go on about playing babunski out of position but you cannot excuse the ammount of times he gave the ball away tonight, and trapa Middleton looked much more dangerous when he came on- says it all.

 
You're seriously questioning the substitutions?

Moult and Dalby linked up to create a goal and the best save their keeper made all night. Middleton got past his man more times in his few minutes on the park than Trapanovski has all season. The only one I'd question would be Adeboyega going off when it should have been Stephenson all day long, which is the main reason we are out the cup and the weekend is fucking ruined.

Arabdownsouth wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Utter powder puff.

2nd to absolutely everything all night, completely pathetic performance- hoof ball and hope for the best all night.

Don’t even get me started on the subbies utterly bizarre from Goodwin

Why has miller Thomson been completely frozen out??

Babunski and trapa are absolutely miles off it- useless for a few weeks now, can go on about playing babunski out of position but you cannot excuse the ammount of times he gave the ball away tonight, and trapa Middleton looked much more dangerous when he came on- says it all.

 
You're seriously questioning the substitutions?

Moult and Dalby linked up to create a goal and the best save their keeper made all night. Middleton got past his man more times in his few minutes on the park than Trapanovski has all season. The only one I'd question would be Adeboyega going off when it should have been Stephenson all day long, which is the main reason we are out the cup and the weekend is fucking ruined.

More the fact- he played till 81st minute with a centre half playing right back and a right back playing right wing- utterly bizarre. Considering you’d seen the difference Middleton had mad on the left. Far too negative. He was praying for a goal so he could go back to the back three.

I rest my case regarding Louis Moult btw. Needs to be starting from now on,showed more than VDS has all season tbh. Not everything is about pace.

It's hard to describe just how bad and negative the first 70 mins were, absolutely horrific.

They weren't any better and that is what made it even harder to take.

Em Macedonians were miles and miles off it, mental that they reappeared for the second half. They fact we went the first 10 or 15 mins without even an attempt in the second half was hard to stomach.  What on earth did they talk about at half time.

We got a bit of success when we went direct and to round it off Moult scores a wonder goal and it's all for nothing.

School boy stuff from the lad from Liverpool (another he was miles off it).

Middleton looked much better when he came on.

In short, we got exactly what we deserved.

Not good enough.

I remember (naively) saying after the Dundee Derby that i had a feeling that we might be a fun team to watch this season. Man was that optimistic.

That was utterly joyless and insipid once again in the main. The starting formation is crap, utter crap. Or at least the players he is stubbornly shoehorning into it are making it crap.

VDS is almost playing like a defender upfront. All he seems to do is press and try make tackles from centre mid. The two Macedonians haven't been at the races for about a month now.

Babunkski playing with his back to goal far too often and has to speed up his play also. He didn't seem slow in anyway in the Derby, so why he has reverted to this i have no idea.

We just aren't creating chances with this formation and personnel and tonight once we went 442 and went with Moult~Dalby up top and played two wingers in Middleton and Ubochioma we finally started to look threatening. Why not just start like that? 

He is just a very negative Manager for me, and that is the reason i can't take to him, it's that simple. He had a very good group of players at Aberdeen and messed things up because he started trying to be too clever and also couldn't seem to motivate them for certain crunch games. I still see these similar weaknesses in his management.

Any ideas of offering him a new contract anytime soon (for me) are wild.

To end on the few positives of a depressing night -

Walton excellent.

Adegboyega again very good. Our best defender and also one of the few players who carried the ball forward well.

Moults goal excellent. And nice link up by Dalby for the goal. A tiny green shoot of hope that they could form a partnership together.

Docherty again pretty good in centre mid.

Middleton looked sharp in his first appearance in what feels like ages. Thought he looked angry/fired up and had a point to prove.




 

Tek wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

 hoof ball and hope for the best all night.
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Have to disagree with this SM.

One thing that done my head in (not just tonight) is us passing the ball to death

Side pass > back pass > forward > side pass > back pass > repeat

The only time we actually looked in anyway threatening is when we started hitting the ball solely forward and hitting it a bit longer. Our goal comes from a big long punt from Ross Graham into the box and Dalby's clever knock down gives us our only goal.

Three touches as opposed to fifty meaningless one's.
 

  Modern futba for ye. I've stopped watching as much as I used to (football in general). Whilst there are some genuine good games a lot of the games are this--passing it around the back endlessly. I read somewhere about the new England coach and how when he was U21 coach the centre half at one point stood for 30 seconds with the ball waiting to play the right pass. That is horrific.

I can't believe this comment.

'When you get the game tied, you have to settle the game down and if that means taking the game to extra time so be it.'.

That sums him up. Would rather be cautious than go with the momentum we have and go on and win the game. Such a defeatist attitude. No wonder his record in the cups is so bad.


 

Tek wrote:

I can't believe this comment.

'When you get the game tied, you have to settle the game down and if that means taking the game to extra time so be it.'.

That sums him up. Would rather be cautious than go with the momentum we have and go on and win the game. Such a defeatist attitude. No wonder his record in the cups is so bad.


 

 
I hear you but I would guess 7/10 coaches consolidate possession with a late equaliser and take the extra time.  Could argue though it's on him that he wasn't able to get that message over to the players. At 1-1 we chased a win in the 90, kept flooding forward and lost possession and our defence eventually cracked.
Quick question for everyone, how many matches had Goodwin managed in the Prem before taking over at United? I get the sense that he's still learning on the job.
Biggest fault was starting that same lineup which Kettlewell sussed he would and his formation completely smothered it. I knew he would start that way, there was a great opportunity in a one off game to start Moult and Dalby in an effort to get ahead in the game then use Trapanovski's pace later when they were tiring and Sande to help keep the ball more when protecting that lead.
The boy Stephenson has done well for us, one daft mistake doesn't change that but you can see the pressure building now from local fans wanting our young boys to play when they're no better.
Miller Thomson for example is a hopeless defender, we've seen his mistakes but he's OK going forward so he's not a like for like option for Stephenson. Kai isn't Prem quality in my opinion. At least not from what I've seen.
Once Strain returns it might be a straight choice between MT  and Stephenson advanced on the right hand side.
A real missed opportunity but at least you're being honest about your dislike for Goodwin and I have to say you never suggested the team before the match you suggested your team after we lost it.

Tek wrote:

redford_must_score wrote:

A real missed opportunity but at least you're being honest about your dislike for Goodwin and I have to say you never suggested the team before the match you suggested your team after we lost it.

Eh? You've lost me with that comment.

I never suggested any team after the game.

I did post i would like to see this team and formation last Tuesday. 

Tek wrote:

35 goals last season between Moult and Fotheringham, and neither getting minutes for us despite us struggling for goals. I'd change that on Friday and the formation. I'd go 352

......................................Walton..............
......................Manny...Gallagher...Graham....
Thomson..Stephenson..Babunski..Docherty...Ferry
.......................Fotheringham...Moult.....

Subs - Holt, VDS, Dalby, Trapanovski, Odada
Meshack, Sibbald, Sevelj, Richards

Btw see this post below. I think most people are wanting Thomson to play further forward but genuinely curious, what mistakes has he made? Can you give a few examples?

redford_must_score wrote:

Miller Thomson for example is a hopeless defender, we've seen his mistakes .

 

 
Hopeless was a wrong choice of word and I take it back because when faced up one to one with an attacker out on the right he's good. But the two goals we conceded were when he got wrong side in a fast paced phase of play and the attacker got inside him to score.
Definitely happened twice in 2 different games but tbh I haven't got the time to watch the highlights back of every game to prove my point.
If you recall last season Goodwin said MT was going to be a great RB but he brought Strain and Stephenson in ahead of him in that position so maybe Goodwin saw what I saw. But opinions differ, I think he's a cracking player but in an offensive position with a FB behind him.

I agree with most fans that persisting with the Sande line up needed changing and he should have done it for last night's match, definitely a mistake. Overall I just think some fans are expecting a lot better but it's still September and this is a very new team. If it keeps happening I won't be happy either.
FWIW I think Goodwin will be thinking today that he started the wrong lineup.

BTW I think your Stephenson Docherty Babunski midfield would be worth a look.
Imo we're not going to see the best of Babunski until he's free to play as the 10 behind 2 strikers.

We absolutely MUST start training the following

Walton
Thomson Adeboyega Graham Ferry
Docherty Selvej
Trapanovski Babunski Stephenson
Moult

4-2-3-1

Ferry and Stephenson can swap (depending)

Trapanovski on the right cutting in and getting more shots at goal

2 sitting with Docherty and Selvej that protects the defence and the 4 infront to attack

babunski a free reign to find the wingers and moult

this current system is rank and if goodwin thinks every player has clicked to it - he is sadly mistaken

Looking like a Steve Clarke side, right down to stupid penalty given away at the death.

Wouldn't be altogther despondent despite that , sometimes you'll take the field and you'll get just a lacklustre (or should I say shite) affair despite all best intentions. First half, this was it two well matched teams going nowhere (until 46mins 20 secs). That said if we don't have total reversal in our setup straight from Stevie Clarke manual we're going to have turgid season and end up 7th, 8th.

I'm no getting how after 45 minutes of breathtaking stuff against Fun we've arrived at this.

Next week 2 up front. Must.
I'd be playing Moult JVS - harsh to drop JVS as he's been asked to play a link man role, with nobody to link to.
And Thompson. (Meshack coming on was bewildering).

MOTM: Away support
 

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Finn: Away Support - No an awfy lot tae shout about.   2000 + , Friday night - got to be MOTM

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