We are 3 and a half weeks into pre season so I'm not going to panic about anything so far. Like the above poster says, if we get a good few games into the season and we are no further forward then of course you will start to ask proper questions. Neilson obviously recognises we didnt do well last night at times. His interview after the game when asked if he'll be working on anything in the coming days he said "passing to someone in tangerine maybe?" So he isnt just blind to it. He also mentioned he's tried a couple of different formations so far this season (which so many are crying out for) so it will time take time.

On to Friday now and hopefully a vocal Tannadice will see us stick a few past Cowdenbeath.

Last edited by LarsErikKjell (17/7/2019 7:22 am)

On the whole that was a gash performance.  Can't fault the team for effort, they all were trying but other then a 15/20 minute spell in the 2nd half, Stenny matched us all over really.  Shankland and Appere the only ones I can give any real pass marks to - they both ran their hearts out and were living off scraps.  Chalmers came onto a decent game in the 2nd half, he has a lot of skill.

Agree about the pitch playing a part though, a terrible surface to play a professional game on, get them to fuck!

To me the main problem is the distribution from the back. 
especially Reynolds ffs the guy thinks hes Beckenbauer continually looking for the hollywood pass which goes nowhere near a player. Get it, pass it to someone in midfield who is better, simple as that.

Connolly and Reynolds to me are an accident waiting to happen against superior opposition.

Keep reading fellow Arabs saying that they will be fine at Championship level. I'm not convinced at all. They were split open 2 or 3 times again last night.

And Neilson can't be either given he wants to bring another CH in.

some pointers after last night....
- this time last season we might have lost that game.
- delighted Beharder's praising of Chalmers, he's been my tip-for-the-top for three seasons, time now?
- the 2 Marks unfairly criticised. They dealt comfortably with the considerable presence of Ikpeazu & Washington at Tynie.
- no Banksy from the bench last night?
- Sam Stanton could yet be the #10 we're looking for
- the result last night compared favourably to the fortunes of some other teams. Wee teams are bursting a gut. Don't suppose Jambos are happy with only 2 goals at Cowden. Fermers pissed off.
- feel success this season could be youth-driven, I wouldn't object if Adam King is our last signing
- isn't it strange how Paul Watson is often good for a goal?
 

SuperMario wrote:

kingdomarab wrote:

Shankland is really going to struggle this season through no fault of his own. We don’t play to his strengths at all which is crazy considering he’s shown how good he can be.

Time will tell and I’m still confident about this season but tonight hasn’t given me much extra hope.

 
How do u no that, we’ve played 2 games ffs, sows not playing pawlett no playing, we made 5 changes from Friday night, 2 first choice full backs weren’t on

I get it if we’re playing like that 7/8 games in to season but honestly some of the shite I’ve read on this twitter Facebook, it’s infuriating

How the fuck is anyone supposed to succeed as united manager or players  if it’s CONSTANT negativity

We’ve finally got a manger in place who has actually done something in this league his record since being here is actually decent, give the man at least till 7/8 games in to the season till we question him

Look at every other result except Morton very much similar to ours, hardest fans to please I’ve absolutely no doubt

 
Because it’s pretty obvious. It’s not just two games, it’s the same style of play we’ve seen for not much less than a full seasons worth of games from him now.

The stuff you’ve read can’t be anywhere near as infuriating as last night was watching players pass sideways and then lump the ball out of the park against a part time side two divisions below. A neutral last night would’ve struggled to tell which side was the league two team and which one was the championship team.

If you’re saying that the reason players and managers struggle and Tannadice is because the fans are too negative then you’re barking up the wrong tree. Fans are the least of the clubs worries. Not sure how you’re expecting people to be positive after scrapping a win against Stenhousemuir.

Wasn't at the game but unsurprised by the outcome. Yet it's still really pre season.

Regarding artificial grass, I don't like it in senior Scottish football, but installation has been forced on some clubs due to the way money is distributed throughout the game.

The vast majority of clubs (including ours) worship the imagined importance of the Glasgow twins. As a result, they starve themselves of a fairer cash division, this having a knock on forcing some clubs to use their pitch as a rentable community facility.

Beharder wrote:

Tek wrote:

Maybe just me, but i thought their playing surface looked really decent. 

Looked superior to the plastic pitch at Livingston, Alloa even Killie.

Its not the worst astro TEK I would agree with that. IMO though all astro is shite it totally changes the way the game is played. Nearly all the players would agree, the majority of supporters would agree. It should have no place in senior Scottish football.
 

 
100% this.

It’s a completely different game on Astro to grass.

MockChop wrote:

conceded 6 in our last 11 competitive games.
never more than 1 each time.
3 of those games were against Prem opposition.

I understand our defence isn’t great, but believe me, it could be a whole lot worse. They need our backing.

 
Agreed. It’s like people have forgotten about Durnan, Donaldson, Edge and Murdoch at centre half.

Connolly’s no that bad.

We’ve moaned for years and I mean years, about us wanting defenders in who can actually defend and we now have fans moan, expected.

Would expect Ben hall to sign, hopefully he can turn in to pique

Last edited by SuperMario (17/7/2019 11:18 pm)

JerryDungle wrote:

MockChop wrote:

conceded 6 in our last 11 competitive games.
never more than 1 each time.
3 of those games were against Prem opposition.

I understand our defence isn’t great, but believe me, it could be a whole lot worse. They need our backing.

 
Agreed. It’s like people have forgotten about Durnan, Donaldson, Edge and Murdoch at centre half.

Connolly’s no that bad.

I haven't forgotten about them.

But is that the benchmark we are using to gauge whether someone is actually any good? Are they better than Donaldson and Murdoch? Yep. Ok that'll do.

Connolly and Reynolds have been rocky in several games and though the goals conceded since they came in isn't actually that bad, i do feel that at certain times we have rode our luck and a better team with better forwards would have exposed us. Their distribution from the back is also poor (particulary Reynolds).

That's my concern.


 

Dufc2016 wrote:

To me the main problem is the distribution from the back. 
especially Reynolds ffs the guy thinks hes Beckenbauer continually looking for the hollywood pass which goes nowhere near a player. Get it, pass it to someone in midfield who is better, simple as that.

 This for me. No point in trying to play any system if your Centre back just continually pumps it aimlessly time and time again.