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Interesting insight into the man running the football side of the club.
Set to link up with Boca Juniors in some sort of academy partnership.
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By Alan Patullo.
There's a lot to get your teeth into here.
His friendship and ongoing professional relationship with Jackie McNamara 😮
Confirmation Paul Sturrock was let go by the club in his Scouting/recruitment role.
But most interestingly of all. Utd seem to be trying to forge some sort of relationship with Boca Juniors!!
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You just beat me to the punch JD (need to be fast round here).
Merged the topics.👍
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I knew I was right to be suspicious of Tony Asghar: I'm a River Plate fan
Wondering if the Dundee United pal he had was MacBonzo..................
It's an odd headline though.
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A very interesting interview. Noticed he also mentioned he has monitored fans forums in the past so he may still do so.
He also says he understands the scepticism that goes with his appointment.
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PatReilly wrote:
I knew I was right to be suspicious of Tony Asghar: I'm a River Plate fan
Wondering if the Dundee United pal he had was MacBonzo..................
It's an odd headline though.
Agree about the headline Pat, so many other possibilities but he chose that.
redford_must_score wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
I knew I was right to be suspicious of Tony Asghar: I'm a River Plate fan
Wondering if the Dundee United pal he had was MacBonzo..................
It's an odd headline though.
Agree about the headline Pat, so many other possibilities but he chose that.
My thoughts exactly
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Liam Smith, the ayr right back, is on the books with Jackie McNamara- couldn't see any other players we would be interested in unless we are looking at young lads from Celtic and the rangers
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Might seem trivial and not of immediate concern but I did pick up on his reference to ‘that great Adidas strip’
Hopefully time for a change of supplier
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Good interview, honest and open, makes the whole structure in place a bit clearer.
The Boca thing will come to nothing so not even thinking about that. Luggy going sadly is the right thing, he should never have been used like he was by Martin.
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Might seem trivial and not of immediate concern but I did pick up on his reference to ‘that great Adidas strip’
Hopefully time for a change of supplier
I thought that when the shop started offering great discounts on away tops and training kit. Certainly in years gone by they have not went half price at this stage of the season
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redford_must_score wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
I knew I was right to be suspicious of Tony Asghar: I'm a River Plate fan
Wondering if the Dundee United pal he had was MacBonzo..................
It's an odd headline though.
Agree about the headline Pat, so many other possibilities but he chose that.
Wow that is a revealing interview. Bearing in mind there were only two kids in the school with the "classic" Utd tops - myself and another boy in my class (who was a Rangers supporter, who thought their Umbro strip was naff), maybe he is referring to me. I was a athlete who tried to play football, whereas Tony was a footballer who tried to be an athlete. When I think about it my PE class was combined with Tony's class, so we did play quite often.
He was the third best footballer in my year. My recollection was he was more of a midfielder than a forward. It has to be said, even at that point he was carrying a few extra pounds.
What is clear, though, is he must be reading this.
The interview seems a little like a disclaimer: He acknowledges he was/is a Rangers supporter. He discloses his connection with McNamara. He admits he is still a director of Revolution.
He mentions transparency. He patently is aware of what happened with the McNamara management team kickbacks on transfers and must know that abusing the trust of supporters again would be disastrous. Up to this point he has done a pretty decent job and I think the support are willing to extend him goodwill. It is for this reason, I think he should disclose the nature of his remuneration package. If he is receiving any transfer fee incentives or performance related pay, then he should disclose it now. It's too late when things go wrong. He will have nowhere to hide.
Thus far he has done a decent job, but, you need transparency and accountability.
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i wouldn't want the details of my contract made public. employees of Dundee united have the same right to privacy as you and i do.
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Tangy wrote:
i wouldn't want the details of my contract made public. employees of Dundee united have the same right to privacy as you and i do.
To be fair to Macbonzo, who is probably big enough to answer for himself, he isn't suggesting the details of the contract are made public, but simply pondering if TA is receiving a similar benefit or incentive from selling players which maybe influenced Jackie, to the anger of a large section of the support.
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Macbonzo wrote:
He acknowledges he was/is a Rangers supporter.
If he can support two clubs, then there appears to be no reason he couldn't support United as well.
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PatReilly wrote:
Tangy wrote:
i wouldn't want the details of my contract made public. employees of Dundee united have the same right to privacy as you and i do.
To be fair to Macbonzo, who is probably big enough to answer for himself, he isn't suggesting the details of the contract are made public, but simply pondering if TA is receiving a similar benefit or incentive from selling players which maybe influenced Jackie, to the anger of a large section of the support.
I get that pr but I think we forget united is a workplace like any other. We've a completely new regime in, from top to bottom.
As annoyed as I was with the Jackie thing, I'd rather ta got 50k grand and we have a winning team with a conveyor belt of talent than we languish in this god awful league any longer.
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Tangy wrote:
i wouldn't want the details of my contract made public. employees of Dundee united have the same right to privacy as you and i do.
By extension would you have been happy if McNamara's remuneration package had remained confidential?
I really don't think you can compare employment contracts of plc's and private limited to companies to football clubs. The main reason is, supporters are stakeholders, who largely pay the wages of everyone at the club. The problems start when the supporters consider that they are being taken for mugs. Shareholders can call AGM's and sack the Board, but, supporters have little scope to leverage their displeasure short of not attending matches
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Might seem trivial and not of immediate concern but I did pick up on his reference to ‘that great Adidas strip’
Hopefully time for a change of supplier
Puma, I heard. This was before the takeover was finalised so who knows
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Macbonzo. Thought I'd reply rather than quote so we don't fill the page up...
I am not 'glad' that it was leaked. Private details were leaked by a trouble maker (who that was, we can all guess). Tbf whether or not he was getting a % wasn't really my biggest concern - it was more the shocking hole and lack of creativity that bothered me most. Although given the choice, I wouldn't want that in future contracts, if I were given the choice.
Who else's contract should we also know the details of? Players? Manager? Mal?
I think that it's safe to say that we are now being run to generate a profit and those brought in will be on a good wage (you pay the wages to attract the people who can get you where you want to be).....So expect people to have things like this in contracts.
Lastly - somebody else made the point above that ashgar can support 2 clubs. I don't care who he supports as long as he does his very best for Dundee united.
There's a new dawn at tannadice
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Maybe the difference is that we were outraged at Jackies percentage because he was the coach and we felt he was taking the club for mugs, couldn't cope with the loss of 2 keys players and playing players he thought would be an earner for him. Whereas Asghar is not the coach, doesn't select the team, wants the club to be successful so his career and agency can flourish long-term? Or is this naivety on my part?
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Tangy wrote:
Lastly - somebody else made the point above that ashgar can support 2 clubs.
Aye: that was a hopefully humorous injection poking fun at those think Rangers and Sevco are the same club.
I wasn't ever angry that Jackie got a percentage of transfer fees, it was part of his contract after all. Just Jackie was a pish manager, that annoyed me.
But like Macbonzo says, football clubs are a bit different from normal businesses. If Tony Asghar is good at his job and achieves what we all want, nobody would be too bothered, I'd imagine, if he received a cut, by way of a bonus. But as we as supporters are part of underpinning any success, I don't think it's beyond reason that we know if the Sporting Director gets a pay off for transfers. Openness and transparency.
But it's hardly worth arguing about, we can take different positions on this, but there are more important areas for us to concern ourselves.
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PatReilly wrote:
Tangy wrote:
Lastly - somebody else made the point above that ashgar can support 2 clubs.Aye: that was a hopefully humorous injection poking fun at those think Rangers and Sevco are the same club.
I wasn't ever angry that Jackie got a percentage of transfer fees, it was part of his contract after all. Just Jackie was a pish manager, that annoyed me.
But like Macbonzo says, football clubs are a bit different from normal businesses. If Tony Asghar is good at his job and achieves what we all want, nobody would be too bothered, I'd imagine, if he received a cut, by way of a bonus. But as we as supporters are part of underpinning any success, I don't think it's beyond reason that we know if the Sporting Director gets a pay off for transfers. Openness and transparency.
But it's hardly worth arguing about, we can take different positions on this, but there are more important areas for us to concern ourselves.
I'm too big and old to argue over that - but an interesting discussion. I'd say to US, football is different - but in reality, its a business. Sure we can agree to disagree - but i heard the wee lassie in the east stand pie stall is on 9 quid an hour AND has a bonus scheme where she's paid as many left over hotdogs as she can carry
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I never had a problem with MacNamara's deal. I actually think it was fairly innovative. What was wrong with it was that there appeared to be no footballing control over who left and who of equivalent or potential quality was left/coming in.
The thing fell apart when the quality of the team was depleted and not replace adequately. Clearly there was a force keen to make money from transfers (that was likely ST rather than JM) but there should have been a footballing decision maker able to call when there were too many sales to ensure top six status. You would like to think JM but either he was too shit a footballing brain to realise or, if not, too greedy. I actually think it was probably a little bit of both - whatever way you look at it, it might have been a quick buck for him, but I think the bad press has stuck and he's not reached the levels his innovation may or perhaps should have reached.
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Tangy,
You are right, for the new owners football is business. I recall when the Glazers bought MANU, I thought, why the hell did the supporters start buying the shares and block their bid (it was a FTSE 250 SETs listing)? At the time I felt that the Americans failed to understand that football clubs were not "sports franchises". Whilst my view hasn't changed, I do think the Americans have got more imagination when it comes to maximising revenue. I suppose we need to have a flexible mindset. I have my doubts but let's hope it works.