I'm as disappointed as the next person re. signings so far, but it's 4 January, technically 2 days into the window.  We've got a new corporate structure, new lines of communication and authorisation.  It was always going to take time to get that up and running.  Yes, maybe Robbie did spout too early, but what if we stumbled through a performance tomorrow and won with the 'dross'.  Would that have actually worked against him in the long run?  I think he has seen his opportunity, taken it and the wheels are in motion to make the changes we are all looking for.  It would have been ideal if that was all in place for 5 January with a week of training in the bag, but that was never going to happen.  Let's not panic, yet....

Last edited by Finn Seemann (04/1/2019 6:01 pm)

The main point I'm making is that his comments may turn out to be counter-productive.

We mostly would agree on which guys aren't going to do it for us, but 

a) we are still having to rely on them until replacements come in, which they haven't (edit, except Nesbitt )

and

b) the contracted players have nowhere to go, as yet, even if we don't want them. They won't just fuck off for nothing.

I'm just emphasising what I've said before, but not getting in a state about it, simply being realistic.

Last edited by PatReilly (04/1/2019 6:06 pm)

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Finn Seemann wrote:

I'm as disappointed as the next person re. signings so far, but it's 4 January, technically 2 days into the window.  We've got a new corporate structure, new lines of communication and authorisation.  It was always going to take time to get that up and running.  Yes, maybe Robbie did spout too early, but what if we stumbled through a performance tomorrow and won with the 'dross'.  Would that have actually worked against him in the long run?  I think he has seen his opportunity, taken it and the wheels are in motion to make the changes we are all looking for.  It would have been ideal if that was all in place for 5 January with a week of training in the bag, but that was never going to happen.  Let's not panic, yet....

 


Given that the new owners have allegedly been doing due diligence for months, they should have known what was needed and had the structure in place on day 1.  We’re clearly not high up their priority list but they need to show they give a little bit of a fuck.

TheShed wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

I'm as disappointed as the next person re. signings so far, but it's 4 January, technically 2 days into the window.  We've got a new corporate structure, new lines of communication and authorisation.  It was always going to take time to get that up and running.  Yes, maybe Robbie did spout too early, but what if we stumbled through a performance tomorrow and won with the 'dross'.  Would that have actually worked against him in the long run?  I think he has seen his opportunity, taken it and the wheels are in motion to make the changes we are all looking for.  It would have been ideal if that was all in place for 5 January with a week of training in the bag, but that was never going to happen.  Let's not panic, yet....

 


Given that the new owners have allegedly been doing due diligence for months, they should have known what was needed and had the structure in place on day 1. We’re clearly not high up their priority list but they need to show they give a little bit of a fuck.

That's just naïve.  They seem to be putting in place a massive amount of change (of which I have my concerns as well as hopes) and have clearly offered up some cash for strengthening the team, but because that hasn't been done in what would be breakneck speed somehow they don't care.  Come on...
 

PatReilly wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

   
As he said - the players need honesty and we need to use the full allotted time to get these poor players on long contracts to agree their future is better placed somewhere else

These boys aren't 'poor players': they haven't done well for us.

But Robbie has labelled them as not good enough, and that's my issue. If we are trying to get them moved to other clubs, at minimal cost to United, it was the wrong thing to say publicly.
 

Pat I don't disagree, but he knew that change was coming and he is no doubt as pissed off with them as we are.  Any person with a modicum of interest in DUFC might have struggled not to react to the capitulation to Alloa FFS.  I don't think we should read too much into it - it was clearly aimed at the players too and you never know it might be the challenge some of them need.  No point in setting a challenge if there is no intention to play them ever again - which now doesn't look like the case.  I think we've all just read it differently from how he intended it.

TheShed wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

TheShed wrote:

 


Given that the new owners have allegedly been doing due diligence for months, they should have known what was needed and had the structure in place on day 1. We’re clearly not high up their priority list but they need to show they give a little bit of a fuck.

That's just naïve.  They seem to be putting in place a massive amount of change (of which I have my concerns as well as hopes) and have clearly offered up some cash for strengthening the team, but because that hasn't been done in what would be breakneck speed somehow they don't care.  Come on...
 

 
It’s not breakneck speed, they’ve been doing due diligence for months, it’s not naive to expect that anyone taking over a business after months of planning would be ready to go day 1, it’s common sense.

Don't agree.  At best there will be an 100 day plan - that would be the common sense approach.  Do you know what due diligence is?  It's more to do with what lawyers look at than anyone assessing the team's finer or not so fine points.  I can see your point, but I don't think they spent several months assessing the playing squad...

PatReilly wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

   
As he said - the players need honesty and we need to use the full allotted time to get these poor players on long contracts to agree their future is better placed somewhere else

These boys aren't 'poor players': they haven't done well for us.

But Robbie has labelled them as not good enough, and that's my issue. If we are trying to get them moved to other clubs, at minimal cost to United, it was the wrong thing to say publicly.
 

 
To be fair Pat we'd hardly be wanting to move them on if we thought they were world beaters...

Robbie is simply stating what all his fellow managers will be able to see with their own eyes

And he has at least been straight with them.

scarpia wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

   
As he said - the players need honesty and we need to use the full allotted time to get these poor players on long contracts to agree their future is better placed somewhere else

These boys aren't 'poor players': they haven't done well for us.

But Robbie has labelled them as not good enough, and that's my issue. If we are trying to get them moved to other clubs, at minimal cost to United, it was the wrong thing to say publicly.
 

 
To be fair Pat we'd hardly be wanting to move them on if we thought they were world beaters...

Robbie is simply stating what all his fellow managers will be able to see with their own eyes

And he has at least been straight with them.

  ^^^^this
Plus I doubt he went rogue and came out with this statement by himself
It will have been approved and discussed - it wasn’t an unsolicited rant

But to re-iterate - we have actually signed someone now!!

So, to sum up then.....

We are a club in limbo but there's a lot of change going on
The new owners should have realised we were shite and signed a new team before they signed the takeover deal
Robbie is right in what he said but at the same time wrong
Some unwanted players might be training alone but they might be on the bench tomorrow

It's all falling into place 😎

Anyway .

Welcome to Tannadice Aidan all the best.

Rumour from Scott Burns (journo) we are after Cammy Smith again. This would be a good move.

Last edited by lifesanocean (05/1/2019 11:45 am)