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Arabnophobia · 08/11/2018 2:15 pm

japanarab · 08/11/2018 2:27 pm

Tek wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
Never knew our earliest Adidas shorts had back pockets.

Presumably for keeping the opposition in.

Oh yes. I always remember thinking what the hell are these pockets for! Back in the day the replica kit us kids got had different shorts. The replicas had a lot thinner Adidas stripes with a white Adidas logo whilst the real ones had the thick Adidas with a split at the bottom that you see in the pic. Always remember the kits coming in a great box. Later in life while playing for the St John's team in the Scottish cup where we represented United(every school represented a team) we got strips from United---tiny tops that were two sizes small for us and the gave us actual shorts from the first team that were massive. Not the greatest look!

PatReilly · 08/11/2018 2:44 pm

Billy_Hainey wrote:
Just had a look at a map of Dundee I have from 1901 Pat. At that time, the works were called Angus Jute Works and Clepington Works (later Densfield). Interestingly enough, Tannadice Street is still called Esk Street on the 1901 map.

I'm unsure of the date of that photo, Billy, but I'm going to guess around the 'forties. That 1901 map, obviously before Dundee Hibs, but Tannadice is shown (if it's the same map), with the 'Grand Stand' on the Geroge Fox side of the ground: never knew that! Dens was only opened two years (1899), and their Grand Stand is shown on the Dens Road/Bowbridge side.

Macho Man wrote:

Were you involved in the jute industry?

My old boy worked for a very long time for Sidlaw Yarns latterly at Mahattan works on Dundonald St. They were taken over and sold off bit by bit (maybe about 20-25 years ago?).

No, Macho Man: my only involvement is through reading about it, there was no jute industry where I stay, coal mines, foundries and mental hospitals were our lot in my area, 65/70 miles from Dundee. And just like Dundee, there is little sign of these employers today, just a brass foundry, a diminishing pit bing or two and a huge new general hospital on the site of one of the three historical mental institutions.

Re the Manhattan Works, was Sidlaw Yarns part of the Sidlaw Industries group, which was an amalgamation of Cox, Grimond and Gilroy, from what I've read? In any case, it seems that desperation to attempt to keep the jute and textile industries alive in the city meant a lot of works (and there were a lot) had to seek partnerships to survive for a few more years.

PatReilly · 08/11/2018 2:49 pm

Back on topic>

Dundee Derby, 1913.

Billy_Hainey · 08/11/2018 3:33 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Billy_Hainey wrote:
Just had a look at a map of Dundee I have from 1901 Pat. At that time, the works were called Angus Jute Works and Clepington Works (later Densfield). Interestingly enough, Tannadice Street is still called Esk Street on the 1901 map.
I'm unsure of the date of that photo, Billy, but I'm going to guess around the 'forties. That 1901 map, obviously before Dundee Hibs, but Tannadice is shown (if it's the same map), with the 'Grand Stand' on the Geroge Fox side of the ground: never knew that! Dens was only opened two years (1899), and their Grand Stand is shown on the Dens Road/Bowbridge side.

Of course Pat. Woulda still been called Clepington Park at that time, and the tenants woulda been Johnstone Wanderers?

Macho Man · 08/11/2018 3:44 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Macho Man wrote:

Were you involved in the jute industry?

My old boy worked for a very long time for Sidlaw Yarns latterly at Mahattan works on Dundonald St. They were taken over and sold off bit by bit (maybe about 20-25 years ago?).
No, Macho Man: my only involvement is through reading about it, there was no jute industry where I stay, coal mines, foundries and mental hospitals were our lot in my area, 65/70 miles from Dundee. And just like Dundee, there is little sign of these employers today, just a brass foundry, a diminishing pit bing or two and a huge new general hospital on the site of one of the three historical mental institutions.

Re the Manhattan Works, was Sidlaw Yarns part of the Sidlaw Industries group, which was an amalgamation of Cox, Grimond and Gilroy, from what I've read? In any case, it seems that desperation to attempt to keep the jute and textile industries alive in the city meant a lot of works (and there were a lot) had to seek partnerships to survive for a few more years.

I don't want to keep this thread off topic, so just to respond to your question, I've always referred to it as Sidlaw Yarns since I was a kid, but I think the Sidlaw Industries was the name the company went by.

PatReilly · 08/11/2018 4:02 pm

Billy_Hainey wrote:
Of course Pat. Woulda still been called Clepington Park at that time, and the tenants woulda been Johnstone Wanderers?

Aye, Johnstone Wanderers eventually became 'Dundee Wanderers, after Dundee FC objected to them becoming 'The Dundonians'.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Dundee_Wanderers/dundee_wanderers.htm

Macho Man wrote:

I don't want to keep this thread off topic, so just to respond to your question, I've always referred to it as Sidlaw Yarns since I was a kid, but I think the Sidlaw Industries was the name the company went by.

Cheers. And a bit of unconscious humour? Jute, yarn, thread......

Arabnophobia wrote:

What was the story there again, Arabnophobia? Was it to do with the Glasgow polis being unhappy at United winning the cup on 'their turf against their team'?

Macho Man · 08/11/2018 5:03 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:

I've been racking my brains since I saw this pic and I can't remember who the Utd player beside Bowman is. Can anyone put ol' Macho Man out of his misery?

PatReilly · 08/11/2018 5:26 pm

Macho Man wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
I've been racking my brains since I saw this pic and I can't remember who the Utd player beside Bowman is. Can anyone put ol' Macho Man out of his misery?

The polis told Davie Bowman, as he celebrated, "yer just making this worse" (the Huns' defeat?). And the 'player' plays the piano and guitar, if that helps.
And sings.

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Billy_Hainey · 08/11/2018 6:44 pm

And he's "Proud to be an Arab" tae is he no Pat?

Arabnophobia · 08/11/2018 8:40 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Macho Man wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
I've been racking my brains since I saw this pic and I can't remember who the Utd player beside Bowman is. Can anyone put ol' Macho Man out of his misery?
The polis told Davie Bowman, as he celebrated, "yer just making this worse" (the Huns' defeat?). And the 'player' plays the piano and guitar, if that helps.
And sings.

Think Psycho wanted to celebrate with fans but angry Oldconian polis said no and to celebrate with dignity.

Billy_Hainey · 08/11/2018 8:44 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:

Got this picture someplace, but canna mind whar, but I'm gonna try to name abody in it. Got to admit to a wee bit oe cheatin tho, coz 2 oe the players in it (probably the hardest twa were pals oe my old man).

Back,
Jimmy Littlejohn (Chaiman), Andy Dickson (Trainer), Jackie Graham(10), Jim Moore(11) -pal oe my old man, Walter Smith(12), Mogens Berg(13), Finn Dossing(14), Ian Scott(15), Don McKay(16), the great Jerry Kerr

Front,
Sandy Davie(1), Tommy Millar(2), Jim Cameron(3), Tommy Neilson(4), Doug Smith(5), Gerry Hernon(6) -pal oe my old man, Finn Seemann(7), Dennis Gillespie(8), and the No. (9) needs no introduction.

As I sayed, Jim Moore and Gerry Hernon were pals oe my old man, so met them a couple a times. They were mainly reserve players IIRC, Jim Moore went to Cowdenbeath I think and Gerry Hernon went to Stranraer.

Arabnophobia · 08/11/2018 8:51 pm

Proof that we were ahead of the times. The e(eh)-phone was afore the i(aye)-phone...

Shedtastic · 08/11/2018 9:02 pm

Macho Man wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
I've been racking my brains since I saw this pic and I can't remember who the Utd player beside Bowman is. Can anyone put ol' Macho Man out of his misery?

Looks like Ricky Ross from Deacon Blue.

Arabnophobia · 08/11/2018 9:22 pm

Billy_Hainey wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
Got this picture someplace, but canna mind whar, but I'm gonna try to name abody in it. Got to admit to a wee bit oe cheatin tho, coz 2 oe the players in it (probably the hardest twa were pals oe my old man).

Back,
Jimmy Littlejohn (Chaiman), Andy Dickson (Trainer), Jackie Graham(10), Jim Moore(11) -pal oe my old man, Walter Smith(12), Mogens Berg(13), Finn Dossing(14), Ian Scott(15), Don McKay(16), the great Jerry Kerr

Front,
Sandy Davie(1), Tommy Millar(2), Jim Cameron(3), Tommy Neilson(4), Doug Smith(5), Gerry Hernon(6) -pal oe my old man, Finn Seemann(7), Dennis Gillespie(8), and the No. (9) needs no introduction.

As I sayed, Jim Moore and Gerry Hernon were pals oe my old man, so met them a couple a times. They were mainly reserve players IIRC, Jim Moore went to Cowdenbeath I think and Gerry Hernon went to Stranraer.

No sure what match that was afore. Hard to find mair than that pic as us playing as Dallas Tornado but this was the programme cover fae oor 2nd match out of 20 in total under that name v Bangù.

Arabnophobia · 08/11/2018 10:51 pm

Maybe straying fae pics but like this article...

Arabnophobia · 08/11/2018 10:57 pm

Tek · 09/11/2018 12:02 am

Tek · 09/11/2018 12:04 am

Tek · 09/11/2018 12:19 am

Loved big Mixu as a kid.

Big bustling Striker with an eye for goal and a really hard shot.

Here he is scoring versus Royal Antwerp at Tannadice and at Ibrox against Der Hun.

09/11/2018 7:17 am

Where's Mitch in the DT photie??

Macho Man · 09/11/2018 8:32 am

Ricky Ross. I knew I knew the face, I just couldn't place it. I think the fact I thought it was a player threw me.

Thanks everyone who answered and made me look like a total chump!

kdyteejay · 09/11/2018 8:38 am

Great thread, loving it.

Macho Man · 09/11/2018 8:39 am

PatReilly wrote:
Re the Manhattan Works, was Sidlaw Yarns part of the Sidlaw Industries group, which was an amalgamation of Cox, Grimond and Gilroy, from what I've read? In any case, it seems that desperation to attempt to keep the jute and textile industries alive in the city meant a lot of works (and there were a lot) had to seek partnerships to survive for a few more years.

I spoke to my old boy about this last night. Cox were based at Camperdown (where Cox's stack is, funnily enough) Grimond became Bowbridge (located at the top of the Hilltown opposite the Derry) and I mistakenly asked him about Gibson, not Gilroy, so that might explain why he didn't know about them.

According to my dad, Cox, Grimond and others (probably Gilroy) merged and formed Jute Industries and when they sold off the factories, leaving just the jute mills, they changed the name to Sidlaw Yarns. My dad said he wasn't aware of a Sidlaw Industries ever existing, but he did say that he isn't an authority on this.

He said that Jute Industries was the biggest Jute company in the world at the time.

Sorry for taking this off topic again.

SlatefordArab · 09/11/2018 8:49 am

Billy_Hainey wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
Got this picture someplace, but canna mind whar, but I'm gonna try to name abody in it. Got to admit to a wee bit oe cheatin tho, coz 2 oe the players in it (probably the hardest twa were pals oe my old man).

Back,
Jimmy Littlejohn (Chaiman), Andy Dickson (Trainer), Jackie Graham(10), Jim Moore(11) -pal oe my old man, Walter Smith(12), Mogens Berg(13), Finn Dossing(14), Ian Scott(15), Don McKay(16), the great Jerry Kerr

Front,
Sandy Davie(1), Tommy Millar(2), Jim Cameron(3), Tommy Neilson(4), Doug Smith(5), Gerry Hernon(6) -pal oe my old man, Finn Seemann(7), Dennis Gillespie(8), and the No. (9) needs no introduction.

As I sayed, Jim Moore and Gerry Hernon were pals oe my old man, so met them a couple a times. They were mainly reserve players IIRC, Jim Moore went to Cowdenbeath I think and Gerry Hernon went to Stranraer.

Have seen this photo many times but didn't know every player in it. Thanks for filling in the blanks Mr Hainey.

How cool is that shirt by the way? I doubt any of the players there kept one but how cool would it be if one turned up somewhere. The first time we wore tangerine.

Last edited by SlatefordArab (09/11/2018 10:13 am)