Tekel Towers » Dunfermline v Dundee Utd 27/10/18

Swing_kinker · 28/10/2018 1:13 pm

We "should be" when we've earned it.

Beharder · 28/10/2018 1:23 pm

Swing_kinker wrote:
We "should be" when we've earned it.

Agree there SK we could be a top six side we've shown that in the past.
However to use the word should is not the way to go.
we probably are the 6th biggest club in Scotland. The gap (fanbase,resources) between the top 5 and Utd is far greater than the gap between UTD and club 7,8,9&10.

Swing_kinker · 28/10/2018 1:25 pm

Yup if it were only based on size etc there would be no point in us trying against bigger teams. We need to earn out place again. We've been terrible for a while now so that's what we are and where we are. Need to rebuild a premier reputation

PatReilly · 28/10/2018 2:59 pm

It's all about opinions, and some differ from others here.

In simple terms, I agree with annanarab up until the point at which we scored, for I feel we weren't very direct.

But for the next 3/4 of the match, we played decently: I still think we lack players for certain positions. 6 bookings isn't good, because these will mount up and lead to suspensions, and we don't have many inspiring replacements in key positions.

Oh aye, and 16 fouls for each club, 6 bookings for us, and 1 for the Pars............ a bit odd from Steven Kirkland.

28/10/2018 3:31 pm

Stanton got booked because the ref awarded us a penalty two minutes before & couldn't give us another one in such a short space of time so he booked him for simulation. Somewhat unfair. It was a bigger penalty than the one we got moments earlier.

Arabnophobia · 28/10/2018 4:02 pm

Support needs to support regardless of where we are or who we are against.

Opinions can differ and be challenged online. Fuckall wrong with that as long as folk are respectful whilst doing it.

Matchdays are what matter and numbers and volume of paying in matter as well as vocal and visual boosts. Display Squad efforts definately help.

Sometimes the good times are appreciated and celebrated best after hard times.

Right now is the time to grab the good feeling and back the team to the max.

Tek · 28/10/2018 5:01 pm

Swing_kinker wrote:
We "should be" when we've earned it.

I don't disagree with that.

Which is why i strive for Utd to get better and get back to where i feel we should (or could) get to where we should be.

Which is also why i (and some others) will temper our excitement for the time being.

Had my fingers burned after one too many false dawns over the past 2/3 years.

Arabnophobia · 28/10/2018 6:03 pm

Where we belong chat is cringeworthy, Sevconianish. We will be where we deserve to be.

Be loud in a supportive way when you go to Tannadice. Imagine every fan joined every chant.

RogerTheAlien · 28/10/2018 7:18 pm

A club and fanbase of our size deserves to be In the top league but sadly It's not on merit It's on result.

I'm confident Robbie can take us up.

RRDH · 28/10/2018 8:16 pm

Thought we were good again yesterday. Gave away biggest chances once we got a couple goals up, would like to have seen us bury them.

Cant be anything but optimistic. We've got a good manager here.

Ex Houston Arab · 28/10/2018 8:30 pm

Really annoys me when I see people going on about fan entitlement
It’s expectation
Fans have shown they will get behind the team and have been excellent the past few weeks

I do notice though, most of the folk that say that don’t attend the games. Maybe if they investeted in the team instead of castigating fans they’d understand a bit more where those that do are coming from

Tek · 28/10/2018 9:45 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:
Where we belong chat is cringeworthy, Sevconianish. We will be where we deserve to be.

Be loud in a supportive way when you go to Tannadice. Imagine every fan joined every chant.

'Sevco-ish'.

Geez peace.

Swing_kinker · 28/10/2018 10:40 pm

Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Really annoys me when I see people going on about fan entitlement
It’s expectation
Fans have shown they will get behind the team and have been excellent the past few weeks

I do notice though, most of the folk that say that don’t attend the games. Maybe if they investeted in the team instead of castigating fans they’d understand a bit more where those that do are coming from

Not sure if that's aimed at me but you're way off base if it was. As for castigating fans, I'm defending fans for being happy during a solid spell after a bad one.

Trap_6 · 29/10/2018 1:59 pm

TheShed wrote:
Football is about winning, it’s all that matters. How the team plays is a side issue which in our current position really doesn’t matter.

This is maybe taking this thread onto another unanticipated tangent, but this is a debate I've been having with mates of mine for years now.

I'm definitely of the mind that performances do matter. I want to be entertained, not just watch a win regardless of performance.

I've come away from a draw at Tannadice and been far happier than I've been after many dull wins. Maybe I'm getting old and United winning isn't the be all and end all that it once was.

Under Laszlo, even after a win I'd come away pretty depressed. It was dreadful to watch and I didn't take any enjoyment whatsoever from watching us grind out a win. Now, even if we don't win under Neilson, it seems a good bet you'll watch a United team giving their all and giving us something to get excited about.

I do agree though that we do just need to get out of this league, and we'll take wins however they come. Which is just another reason why I hate the Championship.

annanarab · 29/10/2018 6:32 pm

Trap_6 wrote:
TheShed wrote:
Football is about winning, it’s all that matters. How the team plays is a side issue which in our current position really doesn’t matter.
This is maybe taking this thread onto another unanticipated tangent, but this is a debate I've been having with mates of mine for years now.

I'm definitely of the mind that performances do matter. I want to be entertained, not just watch a win regardless of performance.

I've come away from a draw at Tannadice and been far happier than I've been after many dull wins. Maybe I'm getting old and United winning isn't the be all and end all that it once was.

Under Laszlo, even after a win I'd come away pretty depressed. It was dreadful to watch and I didn't take any enjoyment whatsoever from watching us grind out a win. Now, even if we don't win under Neilson, it seems a good bet you'll watch a United team giving their all and giving us something to get excited about.

I do agree though that we do just need to get out of this league, and we'll take wins however they come. Which is just another reason why I hate the Championship.

Agree. I could well have written your post. Get performances right and we'll be ok in the long run (we'll even win the title). Too many times we've been happy scraping a win in the early part of a season without addressing the issue of poor performance and when the luck eventually runs out poor performances haven't won us enough games. Encouraging for me to see the performance level improve with Neilson

Tek · 29/10/2018 6:49 pm

Trap_6 wrote:
TheShed wrote:
Football is about winning, it’s all that matters. How the team plays is a side issue which in our current position really doesn’t matter.
This is maybe taking this thread onto another unanticipated tangent, but this is a debate I've been having with mates of mine for years now.

I'm definitely of the mind that performances do matter. I want to be entertained, not just watch a win regardless of performance.

I've come away from a draw at Tannadice and been far happier than I've been after many dull wins. Maybe I'm getting old and United winning isn't the be all and end all that it once was.

Under Laszlo, even after a win I'd come away pretty depressed. It was dreadful to watch and I didn't take any enjoyment whatsoever from watching us grind out a win. Now, even if we don't win under Neilson, it seems a good bet you'll watch a United team giving their all and giving us something to get excited about.

I do agree though that we do just need to get out of this league, and we'll take wins however they come. Which is just another reason why I hate the Championship.

Good post T6.

Tangerine'n'Black · 29/10/2018 7:31 pm

Trap_6 wrote:
TheShed wrote:
Football is about winning, it’s all that matters. How the team plays is a side issue which in our current position really doesn’t matter.
This is maybe taking this thread onto another unanticipated tangent, but this is a debate I've been having with mates of mine for years now.

I'm definitely of the mind that performances do matter. I want to be entertained, not just watch a win regardless of performance.

I've come away from a draw at Tannadice and been far happier than I've been after many dull wins. Maybe I'm getting old and United winning isn't the be all and end all that it once was.

Under Laszlo, even after a win I'd come away pretty depressed. It was dreadful to watch and I didn't take any enjoyment whatsoever from watching us grind out a win. Now, even if we don't win under Neilson, it seems a good bet you'll watch a United team giving their all and giving us something to get excited about.

I do agree though that we do just need to get out of this league, and we'll take wins however they come. Which is just another reason why I hate the Championship.

Bang on, good post, whilst I want to win every game, realism is we won’t but I’ll happily take my seat regardless of result to watch a team of players putting in 100% effort and determination.
If that’s not good enough to get the points well done to the better team then and we go home knowing we gave our best.

Robbie seems to have finally got the penny to drop with these players, long may it continue.

TheShed · 29/10/2018 8:55 pm

I’d love good performances too, but winning is what matters.

For me it’s sort the mentality, find a way to win and then improve the performances, not the other way round.

Once the winning consistently bit is sorted, performances will improve naturally with confidence anyway. We’ve all seen that before.

100% effort and determination doesn’t necessarily mean a good performance either. That should be a given from anyone walking into a football park.

Going back to Saturday for a minute, the most pleasing thing for me was the 2nd half performance and the fact that generally they got stronger as the game went on. When levien was in charge we were quite often ordinary in the 1st half but dominated 2nd half’s, mainly because if fitness. He got them fit then let the talent show, hopefully RN has the same idea.

arabchanter · 30/10/2018 8:53 am

Just watched the highlights, I didn't notice this on Saturday, but when McMullan got injured it looked like the new Polish lad that came on to treat him, has Jeff Clarke gone?

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30/10/2018 1:02 pm

In the most recent programme Jeff Clarke & Craig Reynolds are given as the Physiotherapists. MARCIN SZOSTAK is given as Head of Medicine & Sports Science. It says tho that he's been working as a physio for the last 15 years & we got him from Partick where he was head physio. It says that he will lead the medical & physiotherapy team at the Club. In the staff directory there is another guy though, CSABA (don't panic!) GABRIS & he is 'Physical Preparation Coach'. Must have been him who was laying out cones & bands at half time at East End Park for the subbies. Jeff's getting on a bit now so maybe he's starting to wind down. Met him once, bra lad, 200 games for Sunderland.

Tek · 31/10/2018 11:25 pm

Arabnophobia · 03/11/2018 12:51 am

Tek wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
Where we belong chat is cringeworthy, Sevconianish. We will be where we deserve to be.

Be loud in a supportive way when you go to Tannadice. Imagine every fan joined every chant.
'Sevco-ish'.

Geez peace.

No.

Stand by how I feel. The phrase, "where we belong, back to where we belong" etc was said by Sevconians over and over then by our underperforming duds who showed no fight. Made me cringe every fkn tim oor players said it in interviews.

Nae team has any right to be in any league whether they have a bigger support or stadium. Where money, fan base or history is impressive doesn't mean you belong in a successful place. It has to be earned.

Queens Park had Hampden for a reason. Teams like Forrest and Leeds Utd belonged elsewhere. Some teams just died and deserve to be dead for financial or other reasons.

Some teams have taken advantage of the so called belonging attitude, belief that we are above ourselves and can be attacked with the fight that this attitude can be undone by to their success in this league.

Tek · 03/11/2018 1:23 am

Arabnophobia wrote:
Tek wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
Where we belong chat is cringeworthy, Sevconianish. We will be where we deserve to be.

Be loud in a supportive way when you go to Tannadice. Imagine every fan joined every chant.
'Sevco-ish'.

Geez peace.
No.

Stand by how I feel. The phrase, "where we belong, back to where we belong" etc was said by Sevconians over and over then by our underperforming duds who showed no fight. Made me cringe every fkn tim oor players said it in interviews.

Nae team has any right to be in any league whether they have a bigger support or stadium. Where money, fan base or history is impressive doesn't mean you belong in a successful place. It has to be earned.

Queens Park had Hampden for a reason. Teams like Forrest and Leeds Utd belonged elsewhere. Some teams just died and deserve to be dead for financial or other reasons.

Some teams have taken advantage of the so called belonging attitude, belief that we are above ourselves and can be attacked with the fight that this attitude can be undone by to their success in this league.

Not looking for an argument with a poster I like and respect tbh, but please don't ever confuse MY expectations for Dundee United Football Club with the feelings of the supporters of Rangers F.C or the Rangers F.C..

I think, unlike many on here I am better placed to comment on the mindset of Rangers fans considering I went to school with about 700-1,000 of them, and was the sole Arab in the building.

I expected a certain standard from Dundee United F.C. even in those hard days and I do now. I always will.

I love the club deeply and I want us too attempt to break the 'glass celing' one day again ( just as JYM did), otherwise what's the point?

And I make no apologies for that.

Tangy · 03/11/2018 7:04 am

I think the poster above is maybe trying to distinguish between hope and expectation.

We don't belong anywhere. Neither the champions league or the championship. A team which shows talent and desire will be hoping for more but having more fans than the opposition means diddly squat. Ask a fan of Newcastle, Leeds, Forrest etc

bowers · 04/11/2018 8:11 am

We need to keep on performing like we did first half yesterday we were playing some great stuff best ive seen in years from us we looked so comfortable with the ball moving it about brilliantly.