Tekel Towers » Paul Quinn

DontOfferMeThat · 02/10/2018 8:47 am

Twat

PatReilly · 02/10/2018 9:09 am

DontOfferMeThat wrote:
Twat

He is, but he's not wrong regarding the ex-manager.

02/10/2018 10:55 am

Just read the article in the Courier.
Seems to say an awful lot but don't really see what he's getting at
Is he saying the players are over-trained, they need to get away home?
I'm tempted to say poor wee souls.
Is he saying training is tedious & no fun?

lifesanocean · 02/10/2018 12:39 pm

I think he's saying that the training was tedious because too much of it was spent on tactics and shape which I would guess involved long periods of standing around listening to Shambles trying and failing to get his point across. Then all of a sudden the players were expected to be explosive on the Friday before the game with small sided games.

I said in a post weeks ago (and got loads of shite for it) that the players were bored shitless during the pre-season doing the same tactics-based functions over and over again and when they weren't doing that they were doing the same one-paced middle to long distance runs with no sprints and no gym work despite having the best gym in Scotland at their disposal. I also heard that even Celtic didn't train anything like as much as we did but it was actually having the opposite effect on the players than it should since there was no explosiveness involved in it other than a wee bit on a Friday (which surely is the session where the players should be taking it easier and focusing on shape and tactics). We were doing it the opposite way round. I also heard that the he was doing the opposite of what the Sport Science guys were telling him to.

I suspect the players wouldn't mind losing Wednesdays and Sundays off if the extra training was actually beneficial but it appears to have been him just blethering shite at them and overburdening them with (negative) tactics.

Quinn is a prick and was shite, but he's said exactly the same thing as I heard and backs up what McDonald said and there was no love lost between those two btw given that Quinn seemingly hooked McDonald in the dressing room.

The other stuff about taking the pictures down from the 80's shows he's out of touch with what the fans want. I don't expect the 80's to return but I do believe that we should be able to achieve the levels of performance and success we had from 2006 to 2015.

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02/10/2018 12:51 pm

Good observations about the training methods lifesan & backs up PQ's comments.
But St Andrews University Sports Centre is not the best gym in Scotland & Quinn is not a prick (nothing wrong with his article, good of him to air his views) & has had a very decent career by anyone's standards.

lifesanocean · 02/10/2018 12:57 pm

The Uni Sports Centre just had a £14 million refurbishment, it's hardly going to be ramshackle.

Fair point about Quinn though, he's had a good career but was well past his best when he signed for us.

Finn Seemann · 02/10/2018 1:29 pm

Not doubting his criticism re training but the pull down the 80s stuff is clearly nonsense. I think that is a guarded dig at the fans who he thinks have higher expectations than we should. I would agree that we are probably expecting too much at the moment and there needs to be a re-evaluation of what is achievable in the short to medium term, but with any club that has tasted success there are going to be fans that remember it. If you look along the road to Perth, they are riding on the crest of a wave Scottish cup win, top six finishes, occasional European trip. Their expectation is probably any one of those in the next 2-3 years is fine. We've had more success and that inevitably fires more expectation. Being in the second level of Scottish football is not good enough for Dundee United. We can await future success, but saying we can't celebrate our greatest moments by some journeyman player who simply wasn't good enough for us will and can only be met with derision. Is he really saying that seeing an old picture of Hegarty lifting a trophy put too much pressure on the wee darling? I don't think so.

02/10/2018 2:20 pm

Finn Seemann wrote:
Not doubting his criticism re training but the pull down the 80s stuff is clearly nonsense. I think that is a guarded dig at the fans who he thinks have higher expectations than we should. I would agree that we are probably expecting too much at the moment and there needs to be a re-evaluation of what is achievable in the short to medium term, but with any club that has tasted success there are going to be fans that remember it. If you look along the road to Perth, they are riding on the crest of a wave Scottish cup win, top six finishes, occasional European trip. Their expectation is probably any one of those in the next 2-3 years is fine. We've had more success and that inevitably fires more expectation. Being in the second level of Scottish football is not good enough for Dundee United. We can await future success, but saying we can't celebrate our greatest moments by some journeyman player who simply wasn't good enough for us will and can only be met with derision. Is he really saying that seeing an old picture of Hegarty lifting a trophy put too much pressure on the wee darling? I don't think so.

Agreed Finn, I'm not sure where PQ was going with that.
Different perspective - can't new players coming in gain inspiration by looking at our achievements?
Look at the Fun, new players going in there have nothing to look at so by PQ's logic won't feel expectation but they're still shite.

Finn Seemann · 02/10/2018 3:22 pm

smedDUm wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Not doubting his criticism re training but the pull down the 80s stuff is clearly nonsense. I think that is a guarded dig at the fans who he thinks have higher expectations than we should. I would agree that we are probably expecting too much at the moment and there needs to be a re-evaluation of what is achievable in the short to medium term, but with any club that has tasted success there are going to be fans that remember it. If you look along the road to Perth, they are riding on the crest of a wave Scottish cup win, top six finishes, occasional European trip. Their expectation is probably any one of those in the next 2-3 years is fine. We've had more success and that inevitably fires more expectation. Being in the second level of Scottish football is not good enough for Dundee United. We can await future success, but saying we can't celebrate our greatest moments by some journeyman player who simply wasn't good enough for us will and can only be met with derision. Is he really saying that seeing an old picture of Hegarty lifting a trophy put too much pressure on the wee darling? I don't think so.
Agreed Finn, I'm not sure where PQ was going with that.
Different perspective - can't new players coming in gain inspiration by looking at our achievements?
Look at the Fun, new players going in there have nothing to look at so by PQ's logic won't feel expectation but they're still shite.

Always good to see an application of logic which also encompasses an appropriate dig at our near neighbours - good work and perfectly justified.

japanarab · 02/10/2018 3:24 pm

Pull down the 80s stuff? What a prick. I take it all the medals and stuff he's won over his career is locked away so it doesn't pressure his kids? Bullshit. I bet he's got framed tops in his house and other stuff. Barca have a fucking museum ffs. We shouldn't display our proud history because it might overwhelm some little poor darlings(who probably earn 20 times the money those legends made). Everyone takes pride in their achievements, whether that's a degree on the wall or a medal from your under 10 days. Dick!!

DontOfferMeThat · 02/10/2018 3:55 pm

smedDUm wrote:
Good observations about the training methods lifesan & backs up PQ's comments.
But St Andrews University Sports Centre is not the best gym in Scotland & Quinn is not a prick (nothing wrong with his article, good of him to air his views) & has had a very decent career by anyone's standards.

His stuff about taking the 80s stuff down makes him a twat and a prick. He had an distinctly poor career by the standards of any of the players that he's so jealous of.

Who is he playing for now?

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Macho Man · 02/10/2018 4:05 pm

Lol Quinn.

Maybe we should put up photo's of him to encourage our current players to not be a shite as he was.

Tek · 02/10/2018 8:29 pm

Pulling down the 80's pics is fucking nonsense. Those pictures are part of our proud history and should inspire players and make them proud of pulling on a tangerine Dundee United shirt.

It says much about Quinn and players of his ilk that those pictures made him feel a weight of expectation.

I also take umbrage with his comment that the expectations of the club/supporters is 'unrealistic'. It isn't, at all. Not one supporter of Dundee United expects us to ever again win the Scottish Premier League or be a top European side. Hell it's hard to see how we will ever again be a top 4 Scottish side given that both Edinburgh clubs have now sorted themselves out and there are other good teams like Aberdeen, Killie and Motherwell who have good players, Managers and infrastructures.

What we do expect however is to be able to take care of sides like Alloa, Dumbarton, Morton etc etc (particulary at Tannadice).

He does however have a point about Laszlo and his ridiculous training schedule.

Even heard a Partick Thistle player(Erskine) telling a mate that the stories of the double training sessions Utd were doing nearly everyday had got back to their dressing room (presumably Booth or Barton have talked) and they couldn't believe the workload and strain on the players.

Scott McDonald had apparently commented to Laszlo that they didn't even train that hard at Celtic and the training was laborious and boring. No-one was coming into work with a smile on their face.

kiwiarab · 03/10/2018 8:25 am

Taking downthe pictures of our glory days? So should celtic remove any reference to the Lisbon Lions at Parkhead? And Manchester United to Matt Busby Alex Ferguson?

Muppet

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Tek · 03/10/2018 11:31 pm

Quinn now saying Luggy's appointment 'undermined' László.

Have to say, i agree.

A Manager must live or die by his own signings.

This is also the reason i was so against Darren Taylor's appointment. It convolutes an otherwise simple process.

A Manager is appointed, he recruits players he thinks can improve the team. Anything else is a conflict of interests.

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/paul-quinn-claims-paul-sturrocks-role-undermined-csaba-laszlo-at-dundee-united/

DontOfferMeThat · 04/10/2018 11:01 am

Luggy clearly did undermine him - he had to!! Anyway, Paul Quinn is just stirring up shit cos he's finished/found out. It's the only way he can get an income or raise any publicity. If he couldn't show some class on the pitch he should at least try to show some off it!

Finn Seemann · 04/10/2018 11:41 am

I think he's continuing to talk bollocks here. Granted Quinn has probably never played at a level where the Director of Football is common, but that's the modern way which will no doubt filter down to all clubs that can afford it.
The Luggy thing was clearly badly handled, as all things at Tannadice in recent years, but for a player to effectively blame his and his fellow players mediocrity on wall coverings and the presence of previous players is bluntly laughable. The Quinn I saw was generally a horror show. Maybe he can explain what element of the backroom staff and decorative order made him slower than the grass growing in the goalmouths.