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19/9/2018 11:21 am  #1451


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

old friend of mine claims he was at a Residents gig (in Perth?)
he went for a pint in a near by bar after, and met a group of american guys who were in playing pool
They said they were the bands roadies...

 

20/9/2018 7:51 am  #1452


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

I won't be able to put any of my slaverings up until tomorrow night at the earliest, I'm up seeing my old pal who's no' so good, been trying to give his family a wee bit of respite for a couple of days. Will still stick up the album of the day.


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20/9/2018 8:04 am  #1453


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Day 407.
Public Image Ltd................................Public Image   (1978)











"Do you ever get the feeling you've been cheated," whined Johnny Lydon in 1978, a kiss off to the Sex Pistols, "hello,Hello,Hello,Hello," he chuckled some months later, announcing the formation of Public Image Ltd. over the motorik drums and rumbling bass of his new bands eponymous debut single. Reeling from the debris of the Pistols, feeling his identity under siege, Lydon fashioned the band as a scarring, honest expression of his deepest thoughts and fears.


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20/9/2018 5:57 pm  #1454


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Beardy23 wrote:

old friend of mine claims he was at a Residents gig (in Perth?)
he went for a pint in a near by bar after, and met a group of american guys who were in playing pool
They said they were the bands roadies...

Think the only place The Residents have played in Scotland was Edinburgh, a very long time ago.

 

20/9/2018 6:24 pm  #1455


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

PatReilly wrote:

Beardy23 wrote:

old friend of mine claims he was at a Residents gig (in Perth?)
he went for a pint in a near by bar after, and met a group of american guys who were in playing pool
They said they were the bands roadies...

Think the only place The Residents have played in Scotland was Edinburgh, a very long time ago.

might have been Edinburgh, early 80's?
 

 

20/9/2018 7:19 pm  #1456


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Beardy23 wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

Beardy23 wrote:

old friend of mine claims he was at a Residents gig (in Perth?)
he went for a pint in a near by bar after, and met a group of american guys who were in playing pool
They said they were the bands roadies...

Think the only place The Residents have played in Scotland was Edinburgh, a very long time ago.

might have been Edinburgh, early 80's?
 

'83 Beardy23, June 30th. I looked it up.
 

 

20/9/2018 9:34 pm  #1457


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Sorry Chanter before your review - but Lowlife - what a fucking song!!!! the Bass!  

 

20/9/2018 9:41 pm  #1458


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Had the pleasure of drinking before and after PIL gig at the Indigo Hotel Newcastle with Johnny.  Didnt know they were playing at 02 - met him in lift.  Madness - groupies aged 14-19 all around him - he was a gentleman.  Later in darker hours he said "I always hated that part and now they are the same age and im 60 nearly. I blame Brexit"

Intelligent, pleasant and wonderful hero of mine that by pure chance i got to meet and spend hours with.  Unlike many he was more genuine and human than i could have imagined.

That was June (ish) this year.  He even facetimed my son for a laugh.  Who now is a sex pistols fanatic.

 

21/9/2018 8:30 am  #1459


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LocheeFleet wrote:

Had the pleasure of drinking before and after PIL gig at the Indigo Hotel Newcastle with Johnny.  Didnt know they were playing at 02 - met him in lift.  Madness - groupies aged 14-19 all around him - he was a gentleman.  Later in darker hours he said "I always hated that part and now they are the same age and im 60 nearly. I blame Brexit"

Intelligent, pleasant and wonderful hero of mine that by pure chance i got to meet and spend hours with.  Unlike many he was more genuine and human than i could have imagined.

That was June (ish) this year.  He even facetimed my son for a laugh.  Who now is a sex pistols fanatic.

Great story LF, that's a drink up I'd loved to have been part of.
 


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21/9/2018 9:06 am  #1460


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DAY 408.
Magazine........................................................................... Real Life   (1978)











Howard Devoto had left the Buzzcocks in the very capable hands of Pete Shelley and Steve Diggle to create his own group, imagine the anticipation felt by anyone who cared about the future of rock music in June 1978, while putting the needle on track 1, side 1 of Real Life.


Will be back late tonight, hopefully get a couple of albums done, but here's a funny thing, on a day I didn't post any ramblings there were over 800 views (that's by far the most ever, in a single day), maybe that's the way forward

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21/9/2018 5:19 pm  #1461


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800 views! - well you deserve them for this!  Must be a load of folk wanting to comment but maybe a bit apprehensive?  I reckon they just love your reviews.  You should publish a book at the end!

 

21/9/2018 5:21 pm  #1462


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

arabchanter wrote:

LocheeFleet wrote:

Had the pleasure of drinking before and after PIL gig at the Indigo Hotel Newcastle with Johnny.  Didnt know they were playing at 02 - met him in lift.  Madness - groupies aged 14-19 all around him - he was a gentleman.  Later in darker hours he said "I always hated that part and now they are the same age and im 60 nearly. I blame Brexit"

Intelligent, pleasant and wonderful hero of mine that by pure chance i got to meet and spend hours with.  Unlike many he was more genuine and human than i could have imagined.

That was June (ish) this year.  He even facetimed my son for a laugh.  Who now is a sex pistols fanatic.

Great story LF, that's a drink up I'd loved to have been part of.
 

he was a total gent - although kept calling me Jock but got the message when i kept calling him sid.  Seriously the whole hotel bar he talked to.  They had to close off entrance for residents only.

 

22/9/2018 11:45 am  #1463


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Had to stay at my mates last night, but will be back late afternoon, unfortunately I think he's ready to go,so have left his family to see him out, will try and catch up with the albums later, thanks for your understanding folks.


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22/9/2018 11:51 am  #1464


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DAY 409.
Bruce Springsteen.....................................Darkness On The Edge Of Town   (1978)











Thanks to a legal dispute with former manager Mike Appel, Springsteen had three years to bask in the stellar success of Born To Run, and to contemplate it's follow up. The resulting album, Darkness On The Edge Of Town, is a very different beast to it's predecessor.


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22/9/2018 7:24 pm  #1465


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LocheeFleet wrote:

800 views! - well you deserve them for this!  Must be a load of folk wanting to comment but maybe a bit apprehensive?  I reckon they just love your reviews.  You should publish a book at the end!



Thanks for you kind words LF,

Started to print off just for my own benefit a while back, this is only up to DAY 153 (another 848 days to go|) so obviously not wanting to devastate any more rain forests I called it a day, gonna try and store it on a hard drive ..............if I ever find some spare time.

Once it's finished I would like to kick back read it at my leisure, and maybe retain some of the shit we've all written' to my memory, instead of rushing it most every day.


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22/9/2018 8:46 pm  #1466


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

DAY 404
The Adverts...............................................Crossing The Red Sea With The Adverts   (1978)












After the last few days, this really was a tonic. "Crossing The Red Sea With The Adverts" is yet another great album, I always thought they never got the recognition they deserved in the press and in general. This album opens up with a blistering salvo that is  "One Chord Wonders" followed by "Bored Teenagers" which means unfortunately if you think you're going to just listen to a couple of tracks, and move on................that aint gonna happen, if you're anything like me it'll be "just another then," and before you know it, 31:04 minutes have passed, and you still have that bemused look on your face and the hairs on your arms standing to attention.


The opening pair are probably my favourites, but as on any great album you could drop the needle anyplace on the vinyl and wont feel let down, this didn't even have the classic "Gary Gilmore's Eyes" on it until the 2002 re-issue which is the track I think is mostly associated with The Adverts, but for me, the album was none the poorer for it.



The added bonus was of course Gaye Advert the bass player, what a rip!  There was something about her that just oozed sex, but sheended up working for Social Services for Hammersmith & Fulham council, who woud've thunk?








Putting these bits together, this album will be going in my vinyl collection, and being honest it shouldn't show any signs of an inferiority complex sitting next to the Pistols or The Clash, T.V. Smith, Gaye Advert, Howard Pickup and Laurie Driver are there on mucho deserved merit.




Bits & Bobs;


 It's advisable to take the usual PR puff that accompanies the release of any album with an industrial sized pinch of salt, unless it's calling The Adverts debut album 'one of the greatest punk albums of all time'. For once the PR people are, if anything, guilty of under-estimating how good this album is. I know that to many of you reading this it's little more than a relic from an earlier age and I'm little more than the musical equivalent of Tony Robinson and his time team excavating long buried treasures.


 I understand how irrelevant an album that was released 33 years must seem to most of the readers of The 405. It's the equivalent of a punk in 1978 reading a review of a Perry Como re-release. But believe me this album is still as relevant today as it was 40 years ago. It's so fresh it could have been recorded yesterday. The Britain of 1978 was economically weak with plummeting living standards and rampant youth unemployment. Sound familiar? The re-release of Crossing The Red Sea With The Adverts is a timely reminder that we've been here before. But if you're expecting a hyper political, snot flecked, angry tirade against injustice and hypocrisy, think again. This is not a barricade storming crie de cour, it's intelligent, witty and self deprecating, which sets it apart from most of it's snotty, angry contemporaries.


 'One Chord Wonders' is a storming mass of noise that celebrates the band's musical limitations and the general public's response to punk with lyrics so pithy you'd swear they'd been recently wrapped round a citrus fruit. 'Bored Teenagers' is throwaway punk so archetypical that tongues have surely been introduced to cheeks along the way. 'Safety In Numbers' is a critique of the bandwagon jumpers that infest, and ultimately destroy, any scene. 'On The Roof' starts deceptively slowly before exploding into ear splitting life, while the angular rhythms of Newsboys were post punk before punk had even passed it's first flush of youth.



They existed in such a small window of time. They did all the regular punk rock stuff. They did Top of the Pops and Old Grey Whistle Test. They had chart success early on. Their members felt overshadowed by one popular member. You know – the usual rundown of early punk rock hangups.



 What they produced is far from usual, though. That’s the sad part. Their first album, Crossing The Red Sea with The Adverts, is nothing short of a bold scream above the clamoring of a saturated punk market. To me, they could have transcended the normal bullshit that plagued their contemporaries. They were interesting enough to surpass the nonsense. They were smart and dark. They hit chords that give me chills and flash me red hot simultaneously. Not a surprise they were able to tour with, and rival, The Damned and The Jam live – if only for short-lived time.



 T.V. Smith, the band’s singer, is haunting. His lyrics captivate and seem more serious than the usual “I’m gonna be myself” type of attitude. In fact, the lyrics are introspective and deep, covering an array of common subjects but in a wholly fresh and clever way.  He had a way of singing that when I hear it, I can relate to his anger. Smith doesn’t hide his British accent. Instead, he uses it to convey a personable cockiness, making a perfect vehicle for his pointed skepticism.


 Their simple songs play out like short, gloomy melodramas. Little, ghoulish pop nuggets from a raw and uncomfortable cave packed with cheeky British teen angst. On the darker songs like “On The Roof” and “On Wheels,” they crystallized their own sound. The music is driving with a lot of traditional rock strumming and beats provided by Howard Pickup and Laurie Driver, but then they hit you with these clever proto-goth licks that strike so hard. They take you up levels at a time, getting more intense, and bring you down like the cable was snipped on your elevator. They foreshadow bands like The Gun Club that combined punk, goth and twangy, country- fried spazz surf. They come through in black and white with splashes of red. They captured an interesting dichotomy of a bleak world with innocence hanging on by a thread.


 The bass playing gives those proto-goth parts so much depth, while driving the punk elements right up your fucking nose. The bassist Gaye Advert was considered to be the “first female punk star.” To me, she was one of the most solid and truly badass punk musicians of the era. She embodied the DIY ethic with a genuine air and let it be about the music.


 They were self-proclaimed “one chord wonders.” Even going as far as naming the first song on their debut album that – but anyone that knows shit about 77’ Punk knows that they were more than that. Much more. Though they broke up because of in-fighting and a lack of funds, they seemed to me a contrast to Pistols. They didn’t have the publicity and the shenanigans, they were about the music. Actual artists.



The Adverts pulled the masterstroke of releasing a debut album that executed on the potential suggested by their early singles. Directly influenced by the immediate first wave, TV Smith assembled a rampaging set of strikingly simple, and strikingly effective songs for Crossing the Red Seas with the Adverts.




In fact, tracks like “Bored Teenagers” and “New Church” were even more simple than the first Sex Pistols, Damned, and Clash tunes, and just as fast, if not faster. Smith seemed determined to whittle songs down into their most Spartan form and then jack them up with powerful strikes and the energy of a young man… and he did just that.




Perhaps in contrast to the Clash and Pistols, the Adverts focused on hyper-personal issues. Jones and Strummer would often use youthful detachment as a way to describe bigger economic issues, and Rotten started at the very top by smacking around the queen herself, but Smith and crew keep their perspective very ground level. “Bored Teenagers” served as a mandate and short explanation of why the band was so jumpy. Meanwhile, “On the Roof” detailed the sort of loneliness and wanting that only young people have. The record was at once youthful and wizened. these guys were young, but they were smart enough to have a perspective that whittled the experience of young Brits down to three, two, or even one chord.




Mention needs to also be given to Gaye Advert on bass. The British punk scene did have some standout female musicians- the Slits, Raincoats, and X-Ray Spex all come to mind. Still, Gaye Advert was notable both for her amazing musicianship – the driving slam of the Adverts owes a huge debt to her rumbling, but sprinting bass- but also for making herself known and respected in the male dominated scene. That’s no easy task now and certainly it wasn’t easy then, either.




After this release, the adverts would evolve to a more post-punk sound. Still, Red Sea perhaps like no other record before it, found a band focusing on the established ideals of punk, fashioning those tools to their sharpest points possible, and striking with sheer force.


 "We were lucky. There probably couldn't have been a better time and place to form a band than in late 1976 in London. People were sick of the bloated self-indulgent prog rockers and trite cliché-ridden pop that was filling the charts, and wanted something that related to their lives. For many kids who thought there was something missing, the answer was simple - go out and form a band. That's how the Adverts came about. Probably at no other time would we have found anywhere to play and get noticed - but at the beginning on 1977 we started playing regularly at the newly-opened Roxy club and found a steady audience similarly disenchanted with the way things were. We were all beginners, we couldn't play very well, but it didn't matter - in fact it was better that way. For a couple of years at the start of the UK punk rock scene, music was driven by what people wanted to hear instead of what the music business forced on them, and for this short time the Adverts were able to play hundreds of gigs and produce two albums". – Tim Smith, 2004.
One of the best bands of the 70s, The Adverts were real punks, inspired by the Sex pistols and the Clash but not merely aping them. They oozed charisma and their lineup was a peculiar blend of the ultra-talented and the completely talentless. That in itself was something fresh and new: you couldn't imagine Steve Howe or Robert Fripp tolerating an bassist with no sense of rhythm or a drummer who couldn't keep a beat, but that was just one of the ways punk differed from prog. Fuck the old church, indeed.





Part 1 (1976-1978)


 Devon-born vocalist T.V. Smith was already a veteran when he formed The Adverts in late '76 with girlfriend Gaye. His previous outfit Sleaze had split 12 months earlier, but was known on the West Country gig circuit and even recorded an LP comprising five long songs, one of which ('Listen Don't Think') was re-worked for The Adverts as 'New Boys'. 50 copies of the Sleaze LP were pressed, all in plain white sleeves, and none were available publicly. Have fun tracking down a copy!


 After Sleaze split, Smith and Gaye bassist moved to London and joined up with fellow novices Howard Pickup on guitar and Laurie Driver on drums.


 Three gigs later, including one at the Roxy where they were spotted by Brian James of The Damned, they secured their deal with Stiff, toured with The Damned and issued the sloppy classic One Chord Wonders(1977). Sadly, Stiff's marketing ideas were as old school as the major's, and they insisted on the (great, admittedly) cover being a big picture of Gaye. The band were disgusted, and decamped to Anchor (a subsidiary of ABC) and then Bright, a succession of unsuitable labels. From here they issued a brace of essential records, including the chart hit Gary Gilmore's Eyes (1977) and the brilliant Crossing The Red Sea With The Adverts (1978). Any suggestion that Smith's lyrics didn't capture the mood of the time can be rectified by reading the words to that cracking debut single, issued in April:

 ONE CHORD WONDERS

 I wonder what we'll play for you tonight
Something heavy or something light
Something to set your soul alight
I wonder how we'll answer when you say
"We don't like you - go away,
"Come back when you've learnt to play"

 I wonder what we'll do when things go wrong
When we're half-way through
our favourite song
We look up and the audience has gone
Will we feel a little bit obscure
Think "we're not needed here,
"We must be new wave
- they'll like us next year"

 The Wonders don't care
- we don't give a damn


 In June they had their first brush with the charts via a slot onThe Roxy London WC2 (Jan to April '77) compilation with the brilliant 'Bored Teenagers':


 BORED TEENAGERS


 We're talking into corners.
Finding ways to fill the vacuum.
And though our mouths are dry.
We talk in hope to hit on something new.
Tied to the railway track.
It's one way to revive but no way to relax.

 We're just bored teenagers.
Looking for love,
Or should I say emotional rages.
Bored teenagers.
Seeing ourselves as strangers.

 We talk about the whys and wherefores.
Do we really care at all?
Talk about the frailty of words.
Is rarely meaningful.
When we're sitting watching the 'planes.
Burn up through the night like meteorites.

 We're just bored teenagers.
Looking for love,
Or should I say emotional rages.
Bored teenagers.
Seeing ourselves as strangers.Bored teenagers.     Their second brush with the charts was in August when they released their best-known 45, 'Gary Gilmore's Eyes', recorded in Worthing with producer Larry Wallis and a crate of beer. An appearance on 'Top of the Pops' and The Sun newspaper (Gaye featuring in a tasteful article about "Those saucy pop girls who are tearing up the pop chart") helped the single into the Top 40, peaking at No. 18.    However, by the time of October's Safety In Numbers single, the outburst of punk that had spawned the carefree, liberated abandon of 'One Chord Wonders' was turning to dissatisfaction, and Smith was now questioning where punk was heading:   The first phase of the band's life ended with the No time to Be 21 (1978) single (popular enough to propel them into the Top 40 a second time) and, in February 1978, the extraordinary, classic 'Crossing The Red Sea With The Adverts' album.  
Part 2 (1978-1979)
Phase 2 began badly with Driver driving off, reportedly in a strop after Gaye slated him in an interview for prima donna behaviour, also accusing him of not being able to get his shit together and forcing multiple takes of songs. He was replaced briefly by John Towe. Then, after new drummer Rod Latter joined that April, they were left without a label when Bright Records went bust. Although not inactive (they continued to gig and Smith began working with Richard Strange during the final days of Doctors of Madness), for those long months between the release of 'Crossing...' and them signing a new deal with RCA around September it seemed like the band was dead.


 After this long delay (seven or eight months was an eternity in Punk Time), the band bounced back in late 1978 with and a slightly different, more "produced" sound with the excellent Television's Over 45, the last occasion on which, sonically speaking, they resembled a standard punk band. As Smith wryly commented, "Statistics show that this first post-'Crossing...' single sold less than one copy". He's wrong though, and it's one of their easiest singles to find in second hand record shops (remember them?). (The B-Side 'Back from the Dead' was one of the Strange/Smith songwriting collaborations.)  Cast of Thousands (1979), released seventeen months after the debut LP, spelled the end of the group. Poorly received by arsehole critics who had given up on punk (except Garry Bushell, who would have given it a drubbing anyway for not being "street" enough), the LP featured a band completely uninterested in simply re-recording the first album. Worse news for punks: it (and the preceding single) was produced by none other than Tom Newman, the man who produced Tubular Bells and he even roped Maggie Riley in to do some backing vocals. And if that wasn't enough, new fifth member, keyboardist Tim Cross, was currently in Mike Oldfield's band. Well, cunts, I actually happen to love Tubular Bells and there's nothing about this LP I would change, apart from the horrible front cover.   The band struggled on for a few more months, even recording a Peel session (their third) in November with two new members, but before the decade was out the band was a thing of the past. Smith followed the Adverts with T.V. Smiths Explorers; Gaye went into retirement.



 The band's meteoric rise to the highest branches of the punk tree and their equally meteoric plunge back into obscurity is the story of punk personified, a bewildering blur of accelerated time and good luck. Within weeks of forming they gigged at the punk Mecca the Roxy and were promptly offered a one-off deal with the one of country's hippest label's Stiff. Three singles and an album later they were perceived as washed up, struggled on for a year or so and phuttered out in a quagmire of musical, critical and label indifference. Like the Pistols they crashed and burned, leaving a beautiful corpse behind, but their brief life demonstrated a band with flair, passion, adventure and imagination. Fortunately, they have not sullied their rep with unseemly reformations.
s and they think, here it comes, its gonna be headbanging time. But maybe it wasn't ."  Tim Smith.  New Wave News 1977. 


New Wave News 1977. 
 


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23/9/2018 3:05 pm  #1467


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

DAY 405.
Big Star......................................Third/Sister Lovers   (1978)











Loved the album cover but that was about it, the music was exactly as I thought the last time I listened to one of their albums from this book, wishy washy, no bite just a bit too bland for my liking. This album fir me didn't have any material that grabbed you where it hurts or for that matter anything that would brush against you inadvertently that you would attract your attention. They did do a cover of "Femme Fatale" but failed miserably compared to the original in my humbles. Although there wasn't any track that I hated, and most were listenable there was just something missing.


Now here's a surprise, I listened to it as I was writing this, and I have to say I enjoyed it a lot better, so as of now It will be getting downloaded, just goes to show how your mood when listening to music has quite an effect on your appraisal of an album. This album wont be going into my collection yet, but may in the future.


Give it a spin, I'm really flummoxed as to whether I like it or not, see what you think and let me know?








Bits & Bobs;


Third (reissued in 1985 as Third/Sister Lovers) is the third album by Big Star and engineered by Ardent’s John Fry. By September 1974 the original line up of the band was down to two members, drummer Jody Stephens and singer Alex Chilton. The meticulous power pop that accompanied Big Star’s previous albums failed to gain the commercial success that the band and label sought. Disillusioned by their lack of commercial success, Chilton and Jody pivoted toward experimental instrumentation and a disparate sound that mirrored their lives in and out of the studio.


 Different opinions exist regarding the categorization of Third as a Big Star album.

 Engineer John Fry recounted ”I don’t think anybody was quite certain about whether it was a Big Star record or what it was”


 According to Chilton, “Jody and I were hanging together as a unit still but we didn’t see it as a Big Star record. We never saw it as a Big Star record. That was a marketing decision when the record was sold in whatever year that was sold. And they didn’t ask me anything about it and they never have asked me anything about it.”


 Jody Stephens said “I always had a sense of it being a Big Star record, except for a conversation with [Alex] saying: ‘Why don’t we call ourselves Sister Lovers?’ It was a suggestion. Outside of that, I’ll leave it up to people to assess whether it is to all intents and purposes an Alex solo album.”


 The Ardent session sheets have the band name transcribed as ‘Sister Lovers’ and the band used the name in a shaky live radio performance on Memphis station WLYX in 1975. ‘Sister Lovers’ was a name that reflected that both Chilton and Stephens were dating sister’s Lesa and Holliday Aldridge


 The sisters were prominent fixtures in both the writing and recording of the album. Blue Moon and For You were written with the sister’s in mind, “Downs” was co-written by Lesa, and her vocals were present in many of the session tracks. However, the tumultuous relationship between Alex and Lesa was reflective of the chaos of those recording sessions.


 Longtime friend of Chilton, Alex Rainer recounted the this struggle in the liner notes of the reissue of Third

It was, ‘I love you … I hate you … I love you … I hate you … off and on, off and on, constantly…They loved each other, they fought. Lesa threw all his clothes out of the window. We were all still really young at this point, but it was an extreme thing – extreme love or extreme hate. Extreme mayhem."


 Ultimately, Lesa’s vocals were completely wiped from the final versions of the tracks, except for her performance in the Velvet Underground track “Femme Fatale”.



 The sessions were also a product of the heavy influence of drugs that Chilton had been experiencing at the time. Jovanovic recalled that “Alex set the tone of the recording on the night of the first session, when he turned to me and shot Demerol down his throat with a syringe… [he’d] go into Ardent studios late at night after [he’d] been to bars and just throw gin over the mixing board. Seemed a pretty revolutionary idea at the time … [There was] a lot of Mandrax … downs, generally. Whatever there was there. And unbelievable amounts of alcohol. So if you take enough bad drugs and drink, you’re gonna be writing some pretty strange music.”


 Past scorn for the music business, the turbulent relationships, and drug addled sessions led to the continuous re-recording of the material presented on “Third”. Frustrated and exhausted from the sessions, Chilton and Stephens became more disillusioned with the project and the recordings ceased. Multiple releases and track listings of Third / Sister Lovers added to the piecemeal mythos that has accompanied the project and helped establish it as a critically accepted cult record.


 In 2010, to honor Chilton after his passing, dB’s founder Chris Stamey organized a concert in which a number of musicians who were influenced by Big Star re-created the difficult third album at a special concert in Chapel Hill, North Carolina at the Cat’s Cradle. Participants included Stamey, Mike Mills of R.E.M., Mitch Easter of Let’s Active, Brad and Phil Cook of Megafaun, Kelly Crisp and Ivan Howard of the Rosebuds, Stu McLamb of the Love Language, Ari Picker of Lost in the Trees, members of the North Carolina Symphony and Jody Stephens, the final surviving member of the original Big Star lineup, among others.






"A shambling wreck of an album, Big Star's Third/Sister Lovers ranks among the most harrowing experiences in pop music; impassioned, erratic, and stark, it's the slow, sinking sound of a band falling apart. Recorded with their label, Stax, poised on the verge of bankruptcy, the album finds Alex Chilton at the end of his rope, sabotaging his own music long before it can ever reach the wrecking crew of poor distribution, indifferent marketing, and disinterested pop radio; his songs are haphazardly brilliant, a head-on collision between inspiration and frustration. The album is a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, each song smacking of utter defeat and desperation; the result is either one of the most vividly emotional experiences in pop music or a completely wasted opportunity, and while the truth probably lies somewhere in between, there's no denying Third's magnetic pull  it's like an undertow. Although previously issued on a variety of different labels, Rykodisc's 1992 release is the initially definitive edition of this unfinished masterpiece, its 19 tracks most closely approximating the original planned running order while restoring the music's intended impact; in addition to unearthing a blistering cover of the Kinks' "At the End of the Day" and a haunting rendition of Nat King Cole's "Nature Boy," it also appends the disturbing "Dream Lover," which distills the album's messiest themes into less than four minutes of psychic torment. "





 Kizza Me




The album starts off with in my opinion one of the weakest tracks on the album, Kizza Me. It start's immediatley with a powerchord, before going into a verse which is mainly led by a wreckless piano line, loose drums, and Chilton's voice. The song is fairly catchy, and has a nice guitar break, but the vocal delivery is not one of my favourite's from Chilton. It's really hard to describe the song as it's not like anything else most people have heard. The it's a very raw, and wreckless song.





Thank You Friends





And now we move on to one of the best tracks on the album! It start's off with a catchy power-pop riff, which is quickly followed by the group singing with the riff "do-do," a few times before the guitar turns to a strum and Alex Chilton delivers a moving vocal performance thanking his friend's. The song is very catchy especially the chorus" "Ohh the ladies and gentleman, woah the ladies and gentleman, who made this all so probable, thank you friends." There's also lot's of great backing vocals. This is just a kick-ass blend of power-pop and rock n' roll. Some great drumming as well, most Big Star's song's do have great drums.






Big Black Car





This is where the slow and depressing song's start out. This song is really slow and goes straight into the verse "Driving in my big black car, nothing can go wrong" the verse musically is driven by a piano and a slow guitar part. The vocals in this song are very heart-felt and the music is really beautiful to listen too. Chilton sing's the song like his in a haze, which describes the mood of the song. The chorus or hook is delivered very nicely "Why should I care, driving's as gas, it aint gonna lasttt" and he slurs the the end of the word last. The song end's with some falsetto vocals (I can't make out any word's he's saying), with a light piano playing behind it.





Jesus Christ





This is Alex Chilton's attempt at a christmas song, and it's a very nice attempt! It starts out with a weird sounding piano, which turns out just to be an intro, as when we get to the actual song it's a guitar riff that turns out to be imitating the vocal melody. The song's melodies are very strong, and the chorus will be stuck in your head "Jesus Christ was born today, jesus christ was born." There's also a christmas bell in the background of the song that make's it really feel christmasy. There's also some type of brass instrument solo, that Chilton leads into from the chorus "Jesus christ was born today, yeah and were gonna get born today!" This is a really great pop song, and a perfect Christmas song.






Femme Fatale





This song was originally done by The Velvet Underground with Nico on vocals. I've heard that version too, but I prefer this one. Not only does this one have a better singer than a russian woman who sound's like a man (too be fair, Chilton sound's femine here) there is also some great guitar work in the background that was not on the original. Besides the male singer, and the great solo guitar work, the vocal melody and everything else is the same. Oh and also in the chorus in the Velvet Underground version Nico sings "Cause everyboyd knows," then Reed and the rest of the band go "She's Just a femme fatale" but in this song it's Chilton singing Nico's part and a female singer singing the "She's just a femme fatale," but she sing's it in what appears to be spanish.





Oh, Dana



One of the more up-tempo song's on this album, this song starts out sounding a little country/folkish. Then Chilton's vocal's come in with a great melody singing "We'll I'd rather shoot a woman than a man, I worry that this is my last life." The chorus is extremley catchy "Oh, Dana, Oh, Dana come on." There's lot's of instruments in this one, as usual there's piano, guitar, drum's, and there's also some brass instruments in buried deep in there somewhere. And like the other song's the pian is very wreckless, and it sound's like there just making it up as they go.





Holocaust





One of the slowest and most haunting song's on the album, it is driven by a more polished sounding piano, and a haunting feedback sound effect. The vocal performance is chilling, as the verse begins "Your eyes are almost dead, can't get out of bed, and you can't sleep." The music remains the same for most of the song, but that's okay because the song is emphasized on the emotional vocal performance, as he spills out depressing lines describing someone who is a "wasted face, a sattelite, a holocaust."





Kangaroo





This is another haunting sound, it starts out with an acoustic guitar, with a distorted guitar effect, and some other weird instrument. Again the main focus is the strong melodic vocal delivery, this time Chilton is telling a story of about a girl "I first saw you, you had on blue jeans." The song is very haunting with lots of instruments coming in as the song progresses, and Chilton's voice is dripping with emotion, as it sound's like his voice could give out at part's off the song. As the song get's about halfway, there's a feedback effect that add's to the errie sounding track.





Stroke It Noel





Starts out with a violin line, and shortly after the verse starts out, mainly driven by an acoustic guitar, and drums. The verse has a strong melody, and so is the chorus. The violin comes back in the chorus and makes the song sound really polished, and beautiful. The chorus is "Do you wanna dance, do you wanna dance," which like most Big Star lyrics don't seem like much, but the way they are delivered with strong melodies, and beautiful musical arrangements makes them much more then they are on paper.





For You





This is a song that sound's like it could have made it onto one of the first two Big Star records. It's a more happy love song driven by the acoustic, drums, and orchestra instruments. Alex Chilton sound's very sincere as he delivers line's like "Sometimes I can't help but worship you..." the vocal melodies as usual are strong throughout the whole thing, and the orchestra arrangement makes the song sound really good.





You Can't Have Me





This sound's like a Radio City/#1 Record song that has been changed to fit in with the rest of the song's on Third. It's probably the most hard rocking song, with a great rock n' roll chorus featuring Chilton belting out the words "You can't have me, you can't have me, you can't have me, you can't have me, not for free." The drum work is good with lot's of fills, and this song features a distorted guitar which rock's hard and sound's melodic at the same time. There's a bit of a drum solo at about 1:40 into the song, with the other instruments heard only faintly in the background. The best part of the song is the insanely catchy chorus.





Nighttime





This is a beauitiful acoustic ballad, Chilton's vocal performance is incredible. Sound's very sincere as he sing's a tale of love "ANd when I set my eye's on you, you look like a kitty, and when your in the moon, oh, you look so pretty," Chilton's the only one who could get away with a line like that simply because the emotion in his voice sells it really well. This song is basically just an acoustic guitar, with some sound effects in the background. The main focus is the flawless vocal performance, my favourite part is when he sings the lines "get me out of here, get me out of here, I hate it here, get me out of here." That part really hits me by the way he sings it.





Blue Moon





Following in the same vein as Nighttime this is a more mellow acoustic love song. With another amazing vocal performance, it sound's like Chilton is really feeling what he sing's. And I really like the lyrics in this one too "Let me be your one light, and if you'd like a true one, take some time to show your mine, and I'll be blue and in your eyes." This is my favourite track on the album, it's just a really well written song, and a classic love song IMO. Everything about it sound's great, from the beautiful acoustic arrangement to the other instruments, and I can't stress how great Chilton's vocals are on this track.






Take Care





This song is basically a goodbye, it starts out with a string arrangement before going into the verse. Which has a great melody, but the hook does its job and get's stuck in your head "Take care, Please Take Care, Oooo wooo," the vocal delivery in this song is also really great, but in a different way than the previous two. Chilton show's off his falsetto voice in the part's off the chorus. Some of the line's are really chilling with a backing vocal in a deeper voice echoe's him "This sound's a bit like goodbye, and in a way I guess it is." This is a perfect end song for this album, with Chilton leaving us with the words, Take Care.




This album continues Big Star's excellent track record! But also totally moves away from the first two record's and find's it's own sound, that has not been reproduced since. It's an album full of haunting harmonies, moving instrument arrangements, emotional vocal deliveries, and classic rock, pop, and acoustic songwriting. This is a very original album, and a very great album, that deserves more recognition than it gets.


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23/9/2018 5:38 pm  #1468


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

DAY 406.
The Residents.............................................Duck Stab/Buster And Glen   (1978)











Well that was an experience, not necessarily a bad one (I didn't hate it Pat,) I liked it (maybe liked is too strong a word,) maybe it's more put up with it, being only 34 minutes it was bearable and in parts quite acceptable to my old lugs.


Opener "Constantinople" was alright as was "Laughing Song" which had shades of Devo, or should it be Devo has shades of The Residents in their music? and if you had to push me for a favourite "Weight-Lifting Lulu" was quite a novel and catchy little ditty.


Anyways, this album was just a tad too offbeat and avant garde for this listener, but if you like your music to be a bit off kilter then look no further, this could just be your thing (and can also double as a floor clearer at parties, at lousing out time)


This album wont be going into my vinyl collection.





Bits & Bobs;

Even a hard-core pop-rock junkie can occasionally feel the urge for some bracingly ugly music: in the late sixties, that need was best met by Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention; in the late seventies, it was a group of anonymous wise asses named the Residents. Through a series of albums which simultaneously built upon and deconstructed Top Forty tropes (Meet the Residents, The Third Reich 'n' Roll, Fingerprince), this band of faceless conceptualists produced an amazing catalog of comically abrasive anti-pop pop: music designed to get on the nerves of even those who thought that punk was the pinnacle of musical rebelliousness.


 Of the early Residents' releases, perhaps their best-known – and most accessible – was 1978's Duck Stab. Recently reissued by Mute Records in a handsomely designed hardbound booklet/CD, Stab first was released as a seven-song EP, which quickly was coupled with a second EP (Buster & Glen) into long-playing format. This gives the full disc a sort of Magical Mystery Tour feel – with two blocs of music jostling against each other. The disc's opening track "Constantinople" even gets reiterated with the chaotic seventh blues jazz cut "Elvis and His Boss," providing a sense of closure to the first batch of songs even if, lyrically, the listener doesn't really have a clue as to what it's really all about.


 With the exception of one instrumental ("Booker Tease," which blends a soulful bass line with shrieking horn work), the two sets of music follow a similar strategy: hooky tune work subverted by out-of-tune instrumentation – some of which sounds like the background arrangement from some old warped '78 – dadaesque poetry and cartoonish vocals which manage to make Captain Beefheart sound mainstream. In "Blue Rosebuds," for instance, a damaged singer's sappy love song is interrupted by a high-pitched voice declaiming absurdest put downs ("Infection is your finest flower mildewed in the midst"), while "Sinister Exaggerator" undercuts its effectively ominous guitar stabs (courtesy of guest fingerman Snakefinger) with a barking background chorus that sounds like something the Manimals on the island of Dr. Moreau might've chanted. Good ambient music for those who've used the soundtrack to Eraserhead to put 'em to sleep at nights: the "In Heaven" song could've easily been non-sung by a Resident in one of his little girl voices.


 Many of the songs that make up the second half of the disc (a.k.a. the Buster & Glen EP) toy with the themes of disconnected families ("Birthday Boy," "Lizard Lady") and body dysmorphia that the group would return to in their groundbreaking Freak Show CD-Rom. "Weight Lifting Lulu" features a narrator who's simultaneously appalled and aroused by his girlfriend's physique ("I hated your body but needed your touch."), while "Hello Skinny" describes a noodle-thin entrepreneur who sells a used copy of a Hello Dolly record to a truck driver – climaxing in a tuneless rendition of that musical's show stopping chorus. The whole shmear concludes with "The Electrocutioner," a warped little ditty sung by Ruby of the long-departed Rick & Ruby comedy troupe, a group with ties to Peewee Herman's old live comedy shows.


 Depending on your tolerance for willful weirdness, you've either stopped listening to Duck Stab long before the Buster & Glen bits or immediately hit "replay" when you get to the end. To test their admirers' perspicacity, the group would follow this release with Eskimo, a totally tuneless aural collage filled with wind sounds, barks and grunts which purports to tell a tale of life in the frozen North. I still don't know what to make of that puppy – also recently reissued by Mute – but I'll happily cop to loudly singin' along with Stab's "Constantinople."



The Residents are considered one of the worlds most unusual musical groups. Having influences and influencing such artists as Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, one can only imagine what The Residents sound like. I'll tell you right now; the music is not easily accessable at all. When you listen to this album, you may think it is the worst thing you have ever heard, or you may just find it weird. You may however also think that this album is revolutionary and completely amazing, like I do.




The Residents, best known for their unusual musical style and also known for donning huge eyeball masks. The Residents have never revealed their identity, because they believe that music should not be about who they are, their race or gender, and that it should be just about music. And that's exactly what this is. Duck Stab is a revolutionary release. I wouldn't recommend this to any fan of music, but for music fans with open mines or fans of other experimental and avant garde artists, like Frank Zappa or Captain Beefheart.




1. Constaninople (2:23)



The opening track is very weird indeed. There is a distortion guitar playing static, high pitched notes while a keyboard or synth play a random accending scale very quickly. The bass plays single notes. The singing is very Nasal (think Les Claypool with a nose-block). I guarantee that this track will take more an just a few listens to get into, give it 7, maybe 11" The synth sounds like trumpets towards the end. The song is a tad short, but it is still a great song.




2. Sinister Exaggerator (3:28)




Very, very creepy song. Very. The bass is single sliding down notes but the guitar is tremolo picked notes, what are rather minor and dissonant to each other. The 'interlude' during the tremolo guitar is also very evil as it it just dissonant chords going up and down a scale doubled by a synth. The singing is where it becomes VERY creepy. The vocal style is nasal but it is over dubbed with many voices which are higher and lower pitched, but you can't make out the words of these over vocalists, so it just sounds like wails or screams. Primus cover this piece on their album, Misc Debris, by the way.




3. The Booker Tease (1:04)



This song is amazing, despite its length. It sounds like a small jazz club sounding piece. There is a guitar, bass drums and horns and also sax. Nice little interlude song.





4 Blue Rosebuds (3:07)



This opens with the most unusual guitar line that I have yet to figure out. The imagery given off reminds me of a water fall. The singer is singing about love, and everything is quiet serene and happy, until the main part of the song. The song goes evil, as Residents do, and there is the most unusual high pitched voice entering, then after that bit, the songs returns to the main deep vocals singer though he sounds more sad singing this verse. This song is very hard to get into, simple because of the middle section, but after a few listens, you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll enjoy.




5. Laughing Song (2:12)




Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! That is what the first vocals to enter say. The music is very difficult to describe, it sounds like some fucked up violin or fiddle or something. Prior to the verse, while the laugh is occuring, synth descends the scale too. The singing reminds me of Primus a lot (since this album is a great influence to Primus, I should say Primus sound like this, not this sounds like Primus, chances are you'll have heard Primus though). The vocals are very 'catchy'.. I want to say.. well, addictive anyway. The lyrics are pretty nonsense, but I can somehow imaging a pirate singing them. Me and my messed up head ay" Yeah, its a great song.




6. Bach Is Dead (1:11)





Another almost ditty like piece. Very basic, a squeak, with a slightly more complex bass line than the Residents would usually have. The lyrics until the is "Bach is dead", but I love when the proper vocals enter, as the harmony s just fantastic. The song ends to quickly. I think that the squeaky noise represent a cart being pushed and this is a traveling song.





7. Elvis And His Boss



Stars with tinkle bells and light bass, when I first heard this song, I didn't know what to expect, but it jumps right into what I now call the greatest rock'n'roll song I've ever heard. The clean guitar sounds totally out of key, but it somehow works. The synth is very loud, but it somehow works. The bass is very funky/rock 'n rolly. The singing sounds just like a rock and roll band, so this is probably the most accessable song on the album, besides The Booker Tease. Structure in this song is quite loose, which just adds to the effect of the song.




Overall, this album is completely revolutionary, and was very unique in its day and age.



Since their formation in 1969, The Residents have gained worldwide recognition as one of the premier acts in popular avant-garde music and art. Their discography is extensive, to say the least, including over 40 studio LPs alone. This particular EP, released in 1978, was rereleased the same year with seven additional songs as Duck Stab/Buster & Glen, the collective’s fourth studio LP. For these purposes, I’ll be reviewing Duck Stab! as it appeared on side one of Duck Stab/Buster & Glen, in a different track order than on the original EP. 


 Constantinople: Automatically, Duck Stab! is a showcase of dissonant, unsettling melodies. This opener establishes the quirky, oftentimes straight-up weird ambience which is so often emulated by The Residents. The track is a surreal look at death which catches the listener off guard with its almost poppy refrain. 


 Sinister Exaggerator: This, a more sonically dark experience, makes use of The Residents’ famous unyielding oddness, since borrowed by multiple contemporary acts, most notably Primus. Instrumentally, this three and a half minute piece, the longest on the EP, sounds like the soundtrack to some vintage horror film. 


 The Booker Tease: This track is short, or more appropriately, concise, clocking in at just over a minute. That said, it’s catchy and satisfying; perhaps the most so of any Residents track I’ve heard. To keep with the cinematic theme, The Booker Tease sounds like the kind of thing you’d hear playing during the opening title sequence of a surprisingly dark black comedy.


 Blue Rosebuds: An incredible highlight, this track is the moment on Duck Stab! where I feel The Residents took themselves the most seriously from a musicianship standpoint. It’s dark, enticing, and above all, mentally stimulating. 


 Laughing Song: If Sinister Exaggerator isn’t the track to remind you what a Residents fan Les Claypool is and was, this track certainly will be. The first verse sounds almost like something the bassist might have stolen directly out of The Residents’ mouths. Otherwise, this is notable for its compelling, sometimes pleasingly abrasive sound. 


 Bach Is Dead: While I feel that this track pales in comparison to the other, more sonically interesting tracks on the EP, it’s just as weird and stunningly experimental as anything else you might hear from The Residents.


 Elvis And His Boss: The Residents save their most corrosive strangeness for the EP’s closer, a rhythmic, noisy, compulsive thriller. Granted, it’s a track with a lot to pay attention to, but all of its seemingly sporadic elements intermingle with surprising beauty. 


 Overall, Duck Stab! is an absolutely essential listen for any fan of avant-garde music, and a proven oddity for the ages. 


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23/9/2018 5:57 pm  #1469


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

DAY 410.
Funkadelic.................................................One Nation Under A Groove   (1978)











The absurd sense of Humour of Funkadelic's leader, George Clinton, manifested itself not only in it's colourful, eccentric costumes and circus-like performances but also in the lyrics, track titles, and coherent artistic concept of the bands records. One Nation..........was released at the time when the two projects led by Clinton, Parliament and Funkadelic, which assembled an almost identical group of musicians, merged into one coherent concept band named P-Funk. One Nation went on to sell over a million copies (Platinum)


Sorry should have done this earlier, but my heads in a bin the now
 


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23/9/2018 8:49 pm  #1470


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Evening - great print out Chanter!! Please dont feel pressure to post and take care x

 

23/9/2018 8:51 pm  #1471


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Not sure its relevant but im probably one of the few women on this board - so ive no issue giving you a wee hug and a kiss chanter xxo

 

23/9/2018 11:28 pm  #1472


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

arabchanter wrote:

LocheeFleet wrote:

800 views! - well you deserve them for this!  Must be a load of folk wanting to comment but maybe a bit apprehensive?  I reckon they just love your reviews.  You should publish a book at the end!



Thanks for you kind words LF,

Started to print off just for my own benefit a while back, this is only up to DAY 153 (another 848 days to go|) so obviously not wanting to devastate any more rain forests I called it a day, gonna try and store it on a hard drive ..............if I ever find some spare time.

Once it's finished I would like to kick back read it at my leisure, and maybe retain some of the shit we've all written' to my memory, instead of rushing it most every day.

A/C I think you should keep printing it off.
 

 

24/9/2018 8:00 am  #1473


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Adverts: listening again reminds me I was too old to be a punk!

The Residents: Duck Stab/Buster and Glen is what I'd say is 'easy listening' compared to many Residents albums. The first one I bought, purely for the cover, was Eskimo, which was the follow up to Duck Stab.



It's heavy going on the first few listens. However, I love The Residents, for their absurdity if nothing else. 44 studio albums alone, plus almost as many live and compilations, and they are still churning out stuff.

A glance at their official site, https://www.residents.com/ tells you how daft their whole approach to music is. I'd say the album to listen to first from their collection would be The Commercial Album, with forty tracks each one minute long.

 

24/9/2018 9:22 am  #1474


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LocheeFleet wrote:

Not sure its relevant but im probably one of the few women on this board - so ive no issue giving you a wee hug and a kiss chanter xxo

Right back at ya LF, XXX

And received with many thanks!
 


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24/9/2018 9:28 am  #1475


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Tek wrote:

A/C I think you should keep printing it off.
 

I went through, round about 5 packs of paper and 3 colour and 3 black ink cartridges just to get that much done, so no' cheap, I reckon we all waffle too much maybe once it's over I'll have a rethink.
 


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