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I'm not saying we should appoint him but to me the most obvious candidate is actually Peter Houston. Good managerial record bar his last season at Falkirk, experienced in this league.
You can argue most of his success with us was built around CL's players but still...
I'd be lying if I said I knew who we should appoint. No one comes to mind in all honesty.
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Morphman wrote:
I'd be lying if I said I knew who we should appoint. No one comes to mind in all honesty.
Yep, reading the opinions above I dont think any of us has a clue who would do a good job or who would even want the job. I've no clue. McCall was always my 1st choice, doubt hed come.
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My thought is the person who takes over from Csaba (in a fantasy world?) may be already picked and 'in waiting' for the takeover.
But the takeover may be a fable.
On balance, few can understand why Csaba is still here, yet he's been allowed to strengthen his position in terms of backroom staff. And maybe signings.
Presently, I'd say MM is stringing us along, and we're stuck with Csaba, with the board hoping a sudden improvement is going to occur.
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^ dead man walking.
No one comes back from this, once it’s public.
The board are 100% looking for a new man.
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MockChop wrote:
It's in The Sun.
Now, I'm guessing they've taken the story from Twitter, as my laddie sent me a message earlier much on the same lines.
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You’re probably right, I mean once a ‘story’ hits, it’s all eyes on it. And it never ends any other way.
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MockChop wrote:
Good. I’m glad to they’re finally seeing what everyone else has seen for months. But if they’re now thinking this way, why prolong the inevitable. Get the new man in now so he can maybe get in a couple of his own players before the window shuts.
Fwiw, Now that this is out there, I fully expect the players will down tools at the weekend to push him out the door. And tbh I’d take it if it means he gets his P45 on Saturday at 5.
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JerryDungle wrote:
MockChop wrote:
Good. I’m glad to they’re finally seeing what everyone else has seen for months. But if they’re now thinking this way, why prolong the inevitable. Get the new man in now so he can maybe get in a couple of his own players before the window shuts.
Fwiw, Now that this is out there, I fully expect the players will down tools at the weekend to push him out the door. And tbh I’d take it if it means he gets his P45 on Saturday at 5.
Might put a tenner on qots now 😁
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MockChop wrote:
^ dead man walking.
No one comes back from this, once it’s public.
The board are 100% looking for a new man.
So 3 games to save his job, which takes us to the 1st September.
When does the transfer window shut again?
We have complete idiots running our club.
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TheShed wrote:
MockChop wrote:
^ dead man walking.
No one comes back from this, once it’s public.
The board are 100% looking for a new man.
So 3 games to save his job, which takes us to the 1st September.
When does the transfer window shut again?
We have complete idiots running our club.
This ^^^^
It highlights that we have no one on the board with any football knowledge
It’s a completely different business from banking and being good at one thing does not automatically qualify you as being good at another
On a side note, I’d heard luggy was ready to walk as he had gave a bunch of players from daan saarf for recommendation but Csaba pied most of them
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
TheShed wrote:
MockChop wrote:
^ dead man walking.
No one comes back from this, once it’s public.
The board are 100% looking for a new man.
So 3 games to save his job, which takes us to the 1st September.
When does the transfer window shut again?
We have complete idiots running our club.
This ^^^^
It highlights that we have no one on the board with any football knowledge
It’s a completely different business from banking and being good at one thing does not automatically qualify you as being good at another
On a side note, I’d heard luggy was ready to walk as he had gave a bunch of players from daan saarf for recommendation but Csaba pied most of them
I've got to say I find this 'nobody on the board has football knowledge' thing a bit tiresome. To suggest the board don't know when the transfer window closes is clearly stupid. I'd certainly rather have someone with business acumen running the club than someone with football acumen. To be fair we seem to have less than desirable office holders in both senses at the moment, but the failings are not due to a lack of 'football knowledge' - other than Csaba.
I also found the ST was only his old man's coffee stirrer accusations similarly laughable. He actually seemed initially to be a better businessman (and less 'football' driven) than his wildly spending and generally unsuccessful father. His failing to be honest is because he relied on snake oil salesman McNamara's football knowledge and had no plan b when the arse fell out of our team when we sold too quickly our best talent and didn't replace it wisely enough.
In many ways the fans have continued to be partly culpable in hounding out managers and players in the no time/no patience world that we find ourselves in. So backing a manager through hard times is the right thing for the Board to do...as long as it has the right manager...
Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
TheShed wrote:
So 3 games to save his job, which takes us to the 1st September.
When does the transfer window shut again?
We have complete idiots running our club.
This ^^^^
It highlights that we have no one on the board with any football knowledge
It’s a completely different business from banking and being good at one thing does not automatically qualify you as being good at another
On a side note, I’d heard luggy was ready to walk as he had gave a bunch of players from daan saarf for recommendation but Csaba pied most of themI've got to say I find this 'nobody on the board has football knowledge' thing a bit tiresome. To suggest the board don't know when the transfer window closes is clearly stupid. I'd certainly rather have someone with business acumen running the club than someone with football acumen. To be fair we seem to have less than desirable office holders in both senses at the moment, but the failings are not due to a lack of 'football knowledge' - other than Csaba.
I also found the ST was only his old man's coffee stirrer accusations similarly laughable. He actually seemed initially to be a better businessman (and less 'football' driven) than his wildly spending and generally unsuccessful father. His failing to be honest is because he relied on snake oil salesman McNamara's football knowledge and had no plan b when the arse fell out of our team when we sold too quickly our best talent and didn't replace it wisely enough.
In many ways the fans have continued to be partly culpable in hounding out managers and players in the no time/no patience world that we find ourselves in. So backing a manager through hard times is the right thing for the Board to do...as long as it has the right manager...
I agree re McNamara. If he (and Donnelly & Jackson) had not been appointed I don't think we'd be the way we are today.
There are bad appointments & bad appointments but this was the one that derailed us (& Stephen Thompson).
Charlatans.
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smedDUm wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
This ^^^^
It highlights that we have no one on the board with any football knowledge
It’s a completely different business from banking and being good at one thing does not automatically qualify you as being good at another
On a side note, I’d heard luggy was ready to walk as he had gave a bunch of players from daan saarf for recommendation but Csaba pied most of themI've got to say I find this 'nobody on the board has football knowledge' thing a bit tiresome. To suggest the board don't know when the transfer window closes is clearly stupid. I'd certainly rather have someone with business acumen running the club than someone with football acumen. To be fair we seem to have less than desirable office holders in both senses at the moment, but the failings are not due to a lack of 'football knowledge' - other than Csaba.
I also found the ST was only his old man's coffee stirrer accusations similarly laughable. He actually seemed initially to be a better businessman (and less 'football' driven) than his wildly spending and generally unsuccessful father. His failing to be honest is because he relied on snake oil salesman McNamara's football knowledge and had no plan b when the arse fell out of our team when we sold too quickly our best talent and didn't replace it wisely enough.
In many ways the fans have continued to be partly culpable in hounding out managers and players in the no time/no patience world that we find ourselves in. So backing a manager through hard times is the right thing for the Board to do...as long as it has the right manager...I agree re McNamara. If he (and Donnelly & Jackson) had not been appointed I don't think we'd be the way we are today.
There are bad appointments & bad appointments but this was the one that derailed us (& Stephen Thompson).
Charlatans.
Thompsons is as equally at fault as them 3. He knew exactly what was going on so dont absolve the snake of any blame.
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I’d imagine the board are already in ‘contact’ with agents of managers putting the feelers out now. They know, we know and Laszlo ultimately knows this is only going to end one way now.
He’s lost the fans already and from that there is no way back in the modern game. His chance was given during the close season to get a new squad ready to dominate the league. Given the cup and Saturday in terms of results but more importantly performance it is clear to all he isn’t the man to take us forward.
Even a victory on saturday will only be used to give the board more time to get their new man ready to go. Problem is the transfer window closing but then again we have made our bed in terms of signings now anyway. Which poses the question to whether the signings have been Laszlo’s or Luggy/Bowman bringing in the majority of these lads.
Certainly more questions than answers at the moment.
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Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
TheShed wrote:
So 3 games to save his job, which takes us to the 1st September.
When does the transfer window shut again?
We have complete idiots running our club.
This ^^^^
It highlights that we have no one on the board with any football knowledge
It’s a completely different business from banking and being good at one thing does not automatically qualify you as being good at another
On a side note, I’d heard luggy was ready to walk as he had gave a bunch of players from daan saarf for recommendation but Csaba pied most of themI've got to say I find this 'nobody on the board has football knowledge' thing a bit tiresome. To suggest the board don't know when the transfer window closes is clearly stupid. I'd certainly rather have someone with business acumen running the club than someone with football acumen. To be fair we seem to have less than desirable office holders in both senses at the moment, but the failings are not due to a lack of 'football knowledge' - other than Csaba.
I also found the ST was only his old man's coffee stirrer accusations similarly laughable. He actually seemed initially to be a better businessman (and less 'football' driven) than his wildly spending and generally unsuccessful father. His failing to be honest is because he relied on snake oil salesman McNamara's football knowledge and had no plan b when the arse fell out of our team when we sold too quickly our best talent and didn't replace it wisely enough.
In many ways the fans have continued to be partly culpable in hounding out managers and players in the no time/no patience world that we find ourselves in. So backing a manager through hard times is the right thing for the Board to do...as long as it has the right manager...
Sorry, let me clarify, by football knowledge I actually mean football business acumen.
It is an entirely different animal from banking and the expectation that because you are good in one private sector, this will automatically translate into another is naive at best.
The marrs were successful businessmen but totally fucked Dundee, as was Ron Dixon, Vladimir Romanov, the list is endless.
If we have no one on the board experienced in the workings of a football club, it will be a steep learning curve with a lot of bumps on the way
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
This ^^^^
It highlights that we have no one on the board with any football knowledge
It’s a completely different business from banking and being good at one thing does not automatically qualify you as being good at another
On a side note, I’d heard luggy was ready to walk as he had gave a bunch of players from daan saarf for recommendation but Csaba pied most of themI've got to say I find this 'nobody on the board has football knowledge' thing a bit tiresome. To suggest the board don't know when the transfer window closes is clearly stupid. I'd certainly rather have someone with business acumen running the club than someone with football acumen. To be fair we seem to have less than desirable office holders in both senses at the moment, but the failings are not due to a lack of 'football knowledge' - other than Csaba.
I also found the ST was only his old man's coffee stirrer accusations similarly laughable. He actually seemed initially to be a better businessman (and less 'football' driven) than his wildly spending and generally unsuccessful father. His failing to be honest is because he relied on snake oil salesman McNamara's football knowledge and had no plan b when the arse fell out of our team when we sold too quickly our best talent and didn't replace it wisely enough.
In many ways the fans have continued to be partly culpable in hounding out managers and players in the no time/no patience world that we find ourselves in. So backing a manager through hard times is the right thing for the Board to do...as long as it has the right manager...Sorry, let me clarify, by football knowledge I actually mean football business acumen.
It is an entirely different animal from banking and the expectation that because you are good in one private sector, this will automatically translate into another is naive at best.
The marrs were successful businessmen but totally fucked Dundee, as was Ron Dixon, Vladimir Romanov, the list is endless.
If we have no one on the board experienced in the workings of a football club, it will be a steep learning curve with a lot of bumps on the way
Can't agree with you here. Running the business and running the football can and to a certain extent have to be two different things. Clearly experience of different sectors is key, but there is no reason why having run one type of business successfully you can't take that to another business. People of intelligence aren't pigeon-holed in the way you suggest. Not going into the detail for obvious reasons, but you can't really compare with the likes of Marrs, Dixon and Romanov. I appreciate that there is a need to sound out 'football people' but very dangerous to allow them to run the show. Point to a club in the Premier League that is run by 'football people'...
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Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
I've got to say I find this 'nobody on the board has football knowledge' thing a bit tiresome. To suggest the board don't know when the transfer window closes is clearly stupid. I'd certainly rather have someone with business acumen running the club than someone with football acumen. To be fair we seem to have less than desirable office holders in both senses at the moment, but the failings are not due to a lack of 'football knowledge' - other than Csaba.
I also found the ST was only his old man's coffee stirrer accusations similarly laughable. He actually seemed initially to be a better businessman (and less 'football' driven) than his wildly spending and generally unsuccessful father. His failing to be honest is because he relied on snake oil salesman McNamara's football knowledge and had no plan b when the arse fell out of our team when we sold too quickly our best talent and didn't replace it wisely enough.
In many ways the fans have continued to be partly culpable in hounding out managers and players in the no time/no patience world that we find ourselves in. So backing a manager through hard times is the right thing for the Board to do...as long as it has the right manager...Sorry, let me clarify, by football knowledge I actually mean football business acumen.
It is an entirely different animal from banking and the expectation that because you are good in one private sector, this will automatically translate into another is naive at best.
The marrs were successful businessmen but totally fucked Dundee, as was Ron Dixon, Vladimir Romanov, the list is endless.
If we have no one on the board experienced in the workings of a football club, it will be a steep learning curve with a lot of bumps on the wayCan't agree with you here. Running the business and running the football can and to a certain extent have to be two different things. Clearly experience of different sectors is key, but there is no reason why having run one type of business successfully you can't take that to another business. People of intelligence aren't pigeon-holed in the way you suggest. Not going into the detail for obvious reasons, but you can't really compare with the likes of Marrs, Dixon and Romanov. I appreciate that there is a need to sound out 'football people' but very dangerous to allow them to run the show. Point to a club in the Premier League that is run by 'football people'...
The likes of Daniel Levy, Edward Woodward and Peter Kenton run football operations and are experienced in issues that allow good decisions to be made.
No one is questioning intelligence, but experience is vital. It’s why you don’t see people hop between industries that often in the real world
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Sorry, let me clarify, by football knowledge I actually mean football business acumen.
It is an entirely different animal from banking and the expectation that because you are good in one private sector, this will automatically translate into another is naive at best.
The marrs were successful businessmen but totally fucked Dundee, as was Ron Dixon, Vladimir Romanov, the list is endless.
If we have no one on the board experienced in the workings of a football club, it will be a steep learning curve with a lot of bumps on the wayCan't agree with you here. Running the business and running the football can and to a certain extent have to be two different things. Clearly experience of different sectors is key, but there is no reason why having run one type of business successfully you can't take that to another business. People of intelligence aren't pigeon-holed in the way you suggest. Not going into the detail for obvious reasons, but you can't really compare with the likes of Marrs, Dixon and Romanov. I appreciate that there is a need to sound out 'football people' but very dangerous to allow them to run the show. Point to a club in the Premier League that is run by 'football people'...
The likes of Daniel Levy, Edward Woodward and Peter Kenton run football operations and are experienced in issues that allow good decisions to be made.
No one is questioning intelligence, but experience is vital. It’s why you don’t see people hop between industries that often in the real world
I see plenty of industry hopping among the FTSE 100 Chief Execs. Running a good business is surprisingly similar across a number of sectors. Anyway probably not the point of the original debate. I'm not convinced by MM yet, but his background in banking is not the reason why I distrust him.
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Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Can't agree with you here. Running the business and running the football can and to a certain extent have to be two different things. Clearly experience of different sectors is key, but there is no reason why having run one type of business successfully you can't take that to another business. People of intelligence aren't pigeon-holed in the way you suggest. Not going into the detail for obvious reasons, but you can't really compare with the likes of Marrs, Dixon and Romanov. I appreciate that there is a need to sound out 'football people' but very dangerous to allow them to run the show. Point to a club in the Premier League that is run by 'football people'...
The likes of Daniel Levy, Edward Woodward and Peter Kenton run football operations and are experienced in issues that allow good decisions to be made.
No one is questioning intelligence, but experience is vital. It’s why you don’t see people hop between industries that often in the real worldI see plenty of industry hopping among the FTSE 100 Chief Execs. Running a good business is surprisingly similar across a number of sectors. Anyway probably not the point of the original debate. I'm not convinced by MM yet, but his background in banking is not the reason why I distrust him.
Fair point, but Eddie clearly was a better businessman than both MM and ST, but by your own admission he was the worst of the lot (so far) at running a football club 🧐
Unfortunately there are no guarantees that success translates.
I think it’s fair to say that when FTSE 100 execs move, there is clearly a successful infrastructure in place at the equivalent company and also experienced execs and managers in the industry for them to lean on.
We had sturrock and by all accounts pied all 9 of his suggestions
It just makes me uncomfortable but it’s all about opinions
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
The likes of Daniel Levy, Edward Woodward and Peter Kenton run football operations and are experienced in issues that allow good decisions to be made.
No one is questioning intelligence, but experience is vital. It’s why you don’t see people hop between industries that often in the real worldI see plenty of industry hopping among the FTSE 100 Chief Execs. Running a good business is surprisingly similar across a number of sectors. Anyway probably not the point of the original debate. I'm not convinced by MM yet, but his background in banking is not the reason why I distrust him.
Fair point, but Eddie clearly was a better businessman than both MM and ST, but by your own admission he was the worst of the lot (so far) at running a football club 🧐
Unfortunately there are no guarantees that success translates.
I think it’s fair to say that when FTSE 100 execs move, there is clearly a successful infrastructure in place at the equivalent company and also experienced execs and managers in the industry for them to lean on.
We had sturrock and by all accounts pied all 9 of his suggestions
It just makes me uncomfortable but it’s all about opinions
Your point on the infrastructure is a good one. Clearly ours is wholly screwed but at least MM has been trying to sort that from the ground up, Csaba excepted. Eddie's business acumen seemed to escape him when in charge. Too in love with the club in his case and unfortunately his kids and wife never felt quite the same - I'm sure Eddie would have dug deeper if he'd been around and his business sense would have eventually come through. I actually thought ST started well, but he did see it only as a business and just wasn't as committed as his old man and other fans. In a way it was a wholly thankless task he was left with by Eddie. The whole thing makes me uncomfortable. Business acumen should help prevent the club folding unless the fans stay away because the football is mince and therein lies the quandary..
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Scot gemmell or Jim McIntyre