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SuperMario · 08/3/2018 3:03 pm

Paul Sturrock has been appointed chief scout for United in England, I honestly cannot stress how important I feel this is

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/5551/LUGGY-SIGNS-FOR-UNITED.html

bowers · 08/3/2018 3:16 pm

Why do you feel this is so important?

Take out the fact he is a club legend and an idol to many

Last edited by bowers (08/3/2018 3:17 pm)

SuperMario · 08/3/2018 3:24 pm

Because this is where the vast majority of our signings should be coming from, look at Motherwell, extensive scouting down south, lost moult in jan, they’ve scouted a player who couldn’t get a game a Portsmouth and has came up here and score 5 goals in 8 games! Inverness a few seasons ago are another good example, signing boys like tansey draper mckay warren, there’s good enough players to be found in England if you look hard enough, I’m absolutely fed up of us signing these foreign boys who are either passed it or simply not good enough.

HeggyHandshake · 08/3/2018 3:31 pm

Did Luggy not sign a load of players from the English lower leagues when he was manager?? Some of the worst players, including the worst (Alsfird) I've ever seen.

Tek · 08/3/2018 3:34 pm

HeggyHandshake wrote:
Did Luggy not sign a load of players from the English lower leagues when he was manager?? Some of the worst players, including the worst (Alsfird) I've ever seen.

Alsford was wee Tommy.

Tek · 08/3/2018 3:39 pm

Few quick points.

I agree with Super Mario. The English lower leagues is a market we should look to exploit as Motherwell and Inverness and Ross County have.

A Chief Scout in England is a MUST.

Not sure Paul Sturrock is the ideal candidate for the job but i am guessing it is more of a voluntary role. So fairplay to Luggy for accepting. Plus i guess Mike Martin see's it as a quick PR win.

Finally this surely puts to bed the notion that Darren Taylor is just a glorified 'Chief Scout'.

PatReilly · 08/3/2018 3:39 pm

As a manager at United, Luggy was poor, and the pressure on him to do well was telling.

Down south he largely did very well given the clubs he managed, none of them big spenders. I'm sure he had a very good record of taking unfancied, lowly financed clubs to higher positions in their respective leagues than expected.

But that's not to say he'll be a success as a scout. The disappointing thing for me, generally, is that Scottish clubs are now having to look south to source hungry footballers as we are failing to produce them in our our country.

bowers · 08/3/2018 3:42 pm

SuperMario wrote:
Because this is where the vast majority of our signings should be coming from, look at Motherwell, extensive scouting down south, lost moult in jan, they’ve scouted a player who couldn’t get a game a Portsmouth and has came up here and score 5 goals in 8 games! Inverness a few seasons ago are another good example, signing boys like tansey draper mckay warren, there’s good enough players to be found in England if you look hard enough, I’m absolutely fed up of us signing these foreign boys who are either passed it or simply not good enough.

Yeh i agree regarding players from down south and with your motherwell example.

But is Paul sturrock the man for the job? Hence my reply

SuperMario · 08/3/2018 3:47 pm

Time will tell

HeggyHandshake · 08/3/2018 4:09 pm

Tek wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
Did Luggy not sign a load of players from the English lower leagues when he was manager?? Some of the worst players, including the worst (Alsfird) I've ever seen.
Alsford was wee Tommy.

Yeh, I think you right mate, think it was Luggy who played him.

Tangy · 08/3/2018 4:38 pm

I have no idea how these sorts of things work but I'd guess united will pay expenses plus a finders fee if we sign any of his recommendations? If so, then there's v little risk on our part as a club.

Is he THE man for the job? I've no idea but probably worthwhile trying

JerryDungle · 08/3/2018 4:53 pm

HeggyHandshake wrote:
Did Luggy not sign a load of players from the English lower leagues when he was manager?? Some of the worst players, including the worst (Alsfird) I've ever seen.

That was before he spent the best part of two decades managing in the English lower leagues, the knowledge and contacts he'll have gained down there could be vital to getting us back to where we belong as a club.

How folk on here can see this move as anything other than a good thing is beyond me, I'd take rough diamonds from down south, desperate to come up here and catch the eye, over Emil fucking Lyng any day of the week.

HeggyHandshake · 08/3/2018 5:01 pm

He also spent over £2 Million on De Vos, Mathie, Hannah, McCulloch and Jan Telesnekov. Is he he even well enough to carry out a role like this?

Ex Houston Arab · 08/3/2018 5:23 pm

Tek wrote:
Few quick points.

I agree with Super Mario. The English lower leagues is a market we should look to exploit as Motherwell and Inverness and Ross County have.

A Chief Scout in England is a MUST.

Not sure Paul Sturrock is the ideal candidate for the job but i am guessing it is more of a voluntary role. So fairplay to Luggy for accepting. Plus i guess Mike Martin see's it as a quick PR win.

Finally this surely puts to bed the notion that Darren Taylor is just a glorified 'Chief Scout'.

Despite the fact taylor himself says he doesnt make final decision he just draws up a shortlist after scouting them?
Fwiw i agree with mario.
I also imagine it is expenses amd finders fees

RRDH · 08/3/2018 5:50 pm

I'm surprised we hadn't already got a chief scout assigned to England but when you look at our recent list of signings, it figures.

All in all a positive move.

Tek · 08/3/2018 6:08 pm

Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Tek wrote:
Few quick points.

I agree with Super Mario. The English lower leagues is a market we should look to exploit as Motherwell and Inverness and Ross County have.

A Chief Scout in England is a MUST.

Not sure Paul Sturrock is the ideal candidate for the job but i am guessing it is more of a voluntary role. So fairplay to Luggy for accepting. Plus i guess Mike Martin see's it as a quick PR win.

Finally this surely puts to bed the notion that Darren Taylor is just a glorified 'Chief Scout'.
Despite the fact taylor himself says he doesnt make final decision he just draws up a shortlist after scouting them?
Fwiw i agree with mario.
I also imagine it is expenses amd finders fees

If Taylor is just a 'Chief Scout' then why would we need to appoint anyone else to pop over the Border to scout players?

I know for a fact that an Agent who had previously dealt with McKinnon was told last year to now phone Darren Taylor when discussing players.

TheShed · 08/3/2018 6:22 pm

HeggyHandshake wrote:
Tek wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
Did Luggy not sign a load of players from the English lower leagues when he was manager?? Some of the worst players, including the worst (Alsfird) I've ever seen.
Alsford was wee Tommy.

Yeh, I think you right mate, think it was Luggy who played him.

ALsford played v Aberdeen when Tommy was in charge. I was sitting across from wee Jim in the directors box that day, it’s fair to say he didn’t rate him and let everyone know it.

Ex Houston Arab · 08/3/2018 6:23 pm

Tek wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Tek wrote:
Few quick points.

I agree with Super Mario. The English lower leagues is a market we should look to exploit as Motherwell and Inverness and Ross County have.

A Chief Scout in England is a MUST.

Not sure Paul Sturrock is the ideal candidate for the job but i am guessing it is more of a voluntary role. So fairplay to Luggy for accepting. Plus i guess Mike Martin see's it as a quick PR win.

Finally this surely puts to bed the notion that Darren Taylor is just a glorified 'Chief Scout'.
Despite the fact taylor himself says he doesnt make final decision he just draws up a shortlist after scouting them?
Fwiw i agree with mario.
I also imagine it is expenses amd finders fees
If Taylor is just a 'Chief Scout' then why would we need to appoint anyone else to pop over the Border to scout players?

I know for a fact that an Agent who had previously dealt with McKinnon was told last year to now phone Darren Taylor when discussing players.

Luggy lives in England so he’s not popping over the border. He also has the contacts from working down there for 20 years.
I know people who are in day to day contact with Taylor, and also worked with him in his football capacity.
I also provided links of him saying what his role was and that he didn’t have final say the last time this was brought up.
Your posting on the matter is agenda driven and not really dealing in facts.
I get you don’t like a DoF, but just claiming because Taylor has that as a title but quite clearly isn’t one is a poor way to illustrate your point.
An actual DoF appointment would be someone more senior than the manager in terms of experience not less senior.

Tek · 08/3/2018 6:55 pm

Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Tek wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:

Despite the fact taylor himself says he doesnt make final decision he just draws up a shortlist after scouting them?
Fwiw i agree with mario.
I also imagine it is expenses amd finders fees
If Taylor is just a 'Chief Scout' then why would we need to appoint anyone else to pop over the Border to scout players?

I know for a fact that an Agent who had previously dealt with McKinnon was told last year to now phone Darren Taylor when discussing players.

Luggy lives in England so he’s not popping over the border. He also has the contacts from working down there for 20 years.
I know people who are in day to day contact with Taylor, and also worked with him in his football capacity.
I also provided links of him saying what his role was and that he didn’t have final say the last time this was brought up.
Your posting on the matter is agenda driven and not really dealing in facts.
I get you don’t like a DoF, but just claiming because Taylor has that as a title but quite clearly isn’t one is a poor way to illustrate your point.
An actual DoF appointment would be someone more senior than the manager in terms of experience not less senior.

I didn't mean Luggy would be popping over the border. I meant if Taylor was (as you say) only Chief Scout why would we need to employ ANOTHER Chief Scout to implement the simplest of tasks under his remit? You said yourself we can't afford to pay him off.

So for 80 grand a year we are getting a 'Chief Scout' who doesn't even scout players South of the Border?

I never once said he had 'final say' on signing players btw. But i am quite certain he has had a big influence on certain recent one's and there is no agenda on my part. What i said about him dealing with agents etc and NOT McKinnon was 100% FACT and Motherwellarab will back that up as well.

kdyteejay · 08/3/2018 6:55 pm

JerryDungle wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
Did Luggy not sign a load of players from the English lower leagues when he was manager?? Some of the worst players, including the worst (Alsfird) I've ever seen.
That was before he spent the best part of two decades managing in the English lower leagues, the knowledge and contacts he'll have gained down there could be vital to getting us back to where we belong as a club.

How folk on here can see this move as anything other than a good thing is beyond me, I'd take rough diamonds from down south, desperate to come up here and catch the eye, over Emil fucking Lyng any day of the week.

Agree with this.

TheShed · 08/3/2018 7:09 pm

It’s never a bad thing having another scout.
Luggy is a Utd legend and was a great player.
He is capable of spotting talent, despite his time as Utd boss.
This is nothing but a PR stunt, we will sign no-one he recommends.
Whether Darren Taylor is chief scout or DoF doesn’t really matter, if we’re bringing in a chief scout for England it would suggest he has no future. However we’re bringing in Luggy as a PR stunt so fuck knows how it will affect him.

HeggyHandshake · 08/3/2018 7:34 pm

TheShed wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
Tek wrote:

Alsford was wee Tommy.

Yeh, I think you right mate, think it was Luggy who played him.

ALsford played v Aberdeen when Tommy was in charge. I was sitting across from wee Jim in the directors box that day, it’s fair to say he didn’t rate him and let everyone know it.

Can imagine JYM sitting watching that OYF

HeggyHandshake · 08/3/2018 7:35 pm

TheShed wrote:
It’s never a bad thing having another scout.
Luggy is a Utd legend and was a great player.
He is capable of spotting talent, despite his time as Utd boss.
This is nothing but a PR stunt, we will sign no-one he recommends.
Whether Darren Taylor is chief scout or DoF doesn’t really matter, if we’re bringing in a chief scout for England it would suggest he has no future. However we’re bringing in Luggy as a PR stunt so fuck knows how it will affect him.

Is there a nail on head smiley??

To be fair as per usual with this kind of stuff, it's worked.

TheShed · 08/3/2018 7:38 pm

HeggyHandshake wrote:
TheShed wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:

Yeh, I think you right mate, think it was Luggy who played him.

ALsford played v Aberdeen when Tommy was in charge. I was sitting across from wee Jim in the directors box that day, it’s fair to say he didn’t rate him and let everyone know it.
Can imagine JYM sitting watching that OYF

He nearly broke the window banging on it and shouting at Tommy to “get that useless cunt aff”. Was FAF, but there was no way I was laughing while he was in that mood.

Ex Houston Arab · 08/3/2018 7:51 pm

HeggyHandshake wrote:
TheShed wrote:
It’s never a bad thing having another scout.
Luggy is a Utd legend and was a great player.
He is capable of spotting talent, despite his time as Utd boss.
This is nothing but a PR stunt, we will sign no-one he recommends.
Whether Darren Taylor is chief scout or DoF doesn’t really matter, if we’re bringing in a chief scout for England it would suggest he has no future. However we’re bringing in Luggy as a PR stunt so fuck knows how it will affect him.
Is there a nail on head smiley??

To be fair as per usual with this kind of stuff, it's worked.

That’s exactly my take on it
Felt that would be obvious to most