Aye Tek. Any idea what he's been saying.

bowers wrote:

I have been sent it as a voice clip but not listened yet

I also read it will be available to all from arabzone soon

 
From what I was told he basically said more transparency and communication with fans needed, better recruitment needed, no merger with the Fun but didnt rule out sharing facilities in the future if it suits United, will be bringing in further investments etc.

lifesanocean wrote:

Just to add to above post:

Wants to sell Gussie back at the same terms he bought it for.  Nothing will change in Gussie's operations day to day. Feels the youth system hasn't been functioning as well. Said more attention will be paid but that good youths is a cyclical thing and you can't base your business plan on that alone or cup runs although these things are of benefit to the club.  Said Tannadice is a depressed place these days amongst the staff and that needs to change. Said the Championship is difficult not because of costs but because of lack of income so there are interested parties looking at investing (vague on this, sounds decidedly early stages), praised the support and said they are a weapon for the club and the players had said this to him (doubt they did). Feels that the clubs have continually changed how they operate because of different managers and wants to instead establish a 'Dundee United' model which managers would have to adapt to (assume this is taken from Swansea/Southampton/Watford idea rather than the current Dundee United way of utter chaos).  Said communication did need to improve but hard to please everyone. Said that he doesn't want to be talking for the sake of talking about what he is going to do, he'd rather just get on and do them.  Said he had seen the many mistakes from the past few years and wanted to do things differently.

I'm not making a judgement just now.  He said a lot of ok things but it's actions that are needed. He's going to have to do a hell of a lot of good things to get me on board. Not going to lose the plot though because he's not given in-depth financial info because no-one in those positions does that and you'd be daft to think he would. 

 
I would agree with your last bit about being daft to expect in depth financial information  however thats the least that some are looking for

As long as the model is nothing like the stuff played by Csaba and the 3 previous imposters. A blind man can see that this build from the back/passing/possession game played the so called “right way” (biggest misnomer ever), intelligent, creative (more misnomers) just doesn’t work and the biggest contribution MM could have made was to announce that he’d instructed Csaba to ditch it before we go down another division which on the basis of results since Xmas is quite likely

SuperMario wrote:

The one thing I’ll take from his interview which i think is the most important and is one of the main reasons we are in this position, is recruitment! Over the last 3 season our recruitment has been nothing short of a Fucking disgrace, so much money spent on absolute shite, DoF needs stripped don’t need it waste of a wage, let the manager do the business

 
How are we going to have a ‘Dundee United way’ that managers have to adapt to without some sort of DoF role?
FWIW, recruitment was gash under McNamara, mixu & McKinnon prior to the appointment of Taylor. As I have also pointed out previously, Taylor, by his own definition is operating as a head scout and not a DoF. This would likely be due to his complete lack of qualifications for the role.
Don’t mind people objecting to things and DoF isn’t for everyone but let’s stick to the facts

Regarding MM, as said before, talk's cheap.

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

The one thing I’ll take from his interview which i think is the most important and is one of the main reasons we are in this position, is recruitment! Over the last 3 season our recruitment has been nothing short of a Fucking disgrace, so much money spent on absolute shite, DoF needs stripped don’t need it waste of a wage, let the manager do the business

 
How are we going to have a ‘Dundee United way’ that managers have to adapt to without some sort of DoF role?
FWIW, recruitment was gash under McNamara, mixu & McKinnon prior to the appointment of Taylor. As I have also pointed out previously, Taylor, by his own definition is operating as a head scout and not a DoF. This would likely be due to his complete lack of qualifications for the role.
Don’t mind people objecting to things and DoF isn’t for everyone but let’s stick to the facts

Maybe that says that ST was sometimes getting involved in buying players without the managers knowledge.

Macho Man wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

No argument from me on that - I would have him away to fuck but apparently we can’t afford to pay him off as he is earning circa £80k. His only qualification was that he was Raymond’s pal

​Surely you can sack him for not doing his job properly?  If you need any evidence, just look at the team sheet for the last 2 seasons.
 

 
I think your ST point is a good one and DT is a convenient patsy.
Surely our recruitment doesn’t hinge on the yay or nay of an ex junior footballer- that just doesn’t fly for me. Like you say, more likely ST meddling.
From what I heard, we didn’t have the funds available to pay off his contract after doing it with Raymond. So he was kept on and effectively became a scout. Agree that in the real world you could just sack him, He seems to have the same football type contract instead of a back office type that requires settlement

PatReilly wrote:

Speaking directly to ST last year about club matters, including the appointment of DT, worries were expressed that, as DT was part of Raymond's team, the situation with him as DoF would unravel if/when Raymond departed. ST stressed that DT answered to him, and not the manager. It was a long term appointment, according to ST, which would see the club on a more stable footing regarding recruitment and direction.

Clearly, this has not worked out as envisaged, and it is an area that the new chairman must review as an absolute priority. In fact given MM's words (which come cheaply) yesterday, he has already admitted that the structure of recruitment has failed, so I'd expect action to be taken in the very near future.

I hope you're right, Pat.  I personally think there appears that there are too many people employed at United that appear to be either excess to requirements or just not the right person for their job.  For me, Southern is excess to requirements and DT doesn't strike me as being very good at what he does and if ST has been the one pulling the strings regarding signings, then DT's role is also excess to requirements.

​We need to reassess the youth side of things and determine if we are going to try and get that back up and running or not.  Both options of  either keeping or sacking the youth development have their pro's and con's, but one thing is for sure, we have to either commit to having a youth system and making it work or we just give it up.  If we give it up then PG & DB's roles are excess to requirements and if we do want to make the you player conveyor belt work then we have to bring in someone who can spot and coach the best youth players that we can find which could also very easily make their roles excess to requirement.

Mass Debates wrote:

Question is do we give him the chance and buy the season tickets or do we look for further change and limit the ability to reshape the team. Catch 22 now

It was a fairly positive interveiw and i suppose it would only be fair to, like he says "judge him on his actions" and back him via buying a season ticket, but as much as my heart wants to give him a chance, my brain is telling my that he would just use some of that money to further his US venture with is buddy Thompson, Catch 22 like you say.
 

PatReilly wrote:

Watching the Arabzone interview, and admitting my attention span isn't really up to listening to someone for 26 minutes without being able to ask questions myself, I didn't notice much said about Martin's dealings with Thompson.

However, a line quoted in his Courier interview stood out a 'quartermile' to me:

“Stephen and I have no formal business link." 

Now, that's simply not true. They are the only two officers in United FC Group Limited (SC500974), previously named Thommar Ltd.

That is a matter which must be addressed in the very near future, and as things stand, no season ticket renewals will be made by me until it is.

Links:
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/612793/new-dundee-united-chairman-mike-martin-begins-task-winning-fans/ 

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC500974/officers  

Yep, that's what jumped out at me too Pat.  I was quite impressed with what he had to say (talk is cheap though as we all know), and I am willing to give him a chance to prove he is his own man with his own ideas, but this statement that he has no business dealings with ST needs to be taken up with him.

.......and don’t forget that his mate Stephen remains the majority shareholder of DUFC.

The change from Thommar Ltd to United F.C. Group had a purpose for the pair of them ...........perhaps only the two of them able to explain why and for what end?

Unfortunate if he’s being less than truthful already in his quest for better communication.