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Young is the assistant manager at Falkirk, took over from Jimmy Nicholl a few weeks ago.
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Calling fans fickle is standard fare
Football is a results based business though and if you aren’t producing the goods you won’t last long.
I said it was an embarrassment having someone like Ellis in the hot seat - I stand by that
However if he was getting results, which he was, I’d have shut my puss
There was no need to rush into an appointment when we were playing the best football we had in over a year and had just won important fixtures. This was even more evident considering the pish that was being touted for the job.
Saying ST is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t is a cop out - he’s the gaffer and that comes with the job.
He folded yet again and made another poor choice.
The only decent manager he appointed got the job as he fucked up the compensation for the Irish boy that eventually came over for hibs and was shite.
Saying he would get slaughtered is unlikely as well unless you consider some angry posts or tweets a slaughtering. I think he’s had abuse direct at him about twice in the past 3years at the games
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PatReilly wrote:
Playing two up front is something we'd all probably like to see, but wasn't Raymond playing that formation for much of the early part of the season? Certainly in the two defeats before his departure, it was McDonald and Keatings up front.
As an aside, I don't like or rate Gordon Young, and note that he is now employed at one of our rivals.
There's a difference between playing 2 up front and Ray playing 2 up front. Ray may have had 2 forwards in the line up but the constant backwards and sideways stuff meant the two got little service and virtually no chance to shine. If we are to play 2 upfront (or if I had my way 3), we need to eliminate all the irrelevant guff, be positive and get the ball forward early and often and give whoever is up there a chance to make a difference. Some of the keepers and defenders we face might not be that good but until we properly test them, we'll never find out. Winning games might not be as difficult as we seem to make it if only we had a real go
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The injuries have fucked us, getting rid of csaba would be wrong imo, is he even making the signings?? Our problems have stemmed from McKinnon imo and his decision making in the transfer markets, him letting go of Cammy smith was criminal, goalkeeper situation, not signing a rightback, resigning flood, murdoch edge, persistently signing Dutch players for some reason, not signing a left back, not signing a target man in the summer, overcrowding in one position, signing players who can be considered injury prone, this is where I think the problems have came from
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annanarab wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
Playing two up front is something we'd all probably like to see, but wasn't Raymond playing that formation for much of the early part of the season? Certainly in the two defeats before his departure, it was McDonald and Keatings up front.
As an aside, I don't like or rate Gordon Young, and note that he is now employed at one of our rivals.There's a difference between playing 2 up front and Ray playing 2 up front. Ray may have had 2 forwards in the line up but the constant backwards and sideways stuff meant the two got little service and virtually no chance to shine. If we are to play 2 upfront (or if I had my way 3), we need to eliminate all the irrelevant guff, be positive and get the ball forward early and often and give whoever is up there a chance to make a difference. Some of the keepers and defenders we face might not be that good but until we properly test them, we'll never find out. Winning games might not be as difficult as we seem to make it if only we had a real go
Well said annanarab.
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annanarab wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
Playing two up front is something we'd all probably like to see, but wasn't Raymond playing that formation for much of the early part of the season? Certainly in the two defeats before his departure, it was McDonald and Keatings up front.
As an aside, I don't like or rate Gordon Young, and note that he is now employed at one of our rivals.There's a difference between playing 2 up front and Ray playing 2 up front. Ray may have had 2 forwards in the line up but the constant backwards and sideways stuff meant the two got little service and virtually no chance to shine. If we are to play 2 upfront (or if I had my way 3), we need to eliminate all the irrelevant guff, be positive and get the ball forward early and often and give whoever is up there a chance to make a difference. Some of the keepers and defenders we face might not be that good but until we properly test them, we'll never find out. Winning games might not be as difficult as we seem to make it if only we had a real go
all out attack these teams.
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SuperMario wrote:
The injuries have fucked us, getting rid of csaba would be wrong imo, is he even making the signings?? Our problems have stemmed from McKinnon imo and his decision making in the transfer markets, him letting go of Cammy smith was criminal, goalkeeper situation, not signing a rightback, resigning flood, murdoch edge, persistently signing Dutch players for some reason, not signing a left back, not signing a target man in the summer, overcrowding in one position, signing players who can be considered injury prone, this is where I think the problems have came from
Agree
I think it would be wrong to sack him yet. But if things don't improve under him massively from now to the end of season then id get rid of him.
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annanarab wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
Playing two up front is something we'd all probably like to see, but wasn't Raymond playing that formation for much of the early part of the season? Certainly in the two defeats before his departure, it was McDonald and Keatings up front.
As an aside, I don't like or rate Gordon Young, and note that he is now employed at one of our rivals.There's a difference between playing 2 up front and Ray playing 2 up front. Ray may have had 2 forwards in the line up but the constant backwards and sideways stuff meant the two got little service and virtually no chance to shine. If we are to play 2 upfront (or if I had my way 3), we need to eliminate all the irrelevant guff, be positive and get the ball forward early and often and give whoever is up there a chance to make a difference. Some of the keepers and defenders we face might not be that good but until we properly test them, we'll never find out. Winning games might not be as difficult as we seem to make it if only we had a real go
Aye, not disagreeing with you, just saying it's not as simple as changing the formation. Positive tactics and a confident approach would be welcomed.
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SuperMario wrote:
The injuries have fucked us, getting rid of csaba would be wrong imo, is he even making the signings?? Our problems have stemmed from McKinnon imo and his decision making in the transfer markets, him letting go of Cammy smith was criminal, goalkeeper situation, not signing a rightback, resigning flood, murdoch edge, persistently signing Dutch players for some reason, not signing a left back, not signing a target man in the summer, overcrowding in one position, signing players who can be considered injury prone, this is where I think the problems have came from
Agree with alot of that.
I'd have liked to see how Csaba got on without the injuries to mainly Fyvie and Fraser, a clearout and bringing in his own over time he might not get.
How many managers can we go through and pay off? Who the fuck would we get next?
Totally understand folk being depressed currently. I'm in a bad place too but turning on the manager after 5 months when he's got what we know he needs to fix with what's around him probably isn't the best way to rally an effort to get promoted.
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Recruitment is a massive problem for us and has been for a while
look at some of the shite that has been brought in.
some of laszlos decision for lines ups and formations has been outragous and when you look at them he deserves to take some stick for it.
what we cant do is forget how much the bigger picture is effecting the whole thing also.
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SuperMario wrote:
The injuries have fucked us, getting rid of csaba would be wrong imo, is he even making the signings??
this is what I'd very much like to know.
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RRDH wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
The injuries have fucked us, getting rid of csaba would be wrong imo, is he even making the signings??
this is what I'd very much like to know.
And this is why i said from the outset that i was dead against the appointment of Darren Taylor or anyone else in that role for that matter.
It 'passes the buck'.
If results are shit like they have been for weeks do you blame Darren Taylor for poor recruitment? Or Csaba Laszlo for not getting the best out of his players?
Recruitment and squad-building should be the remit of the First team Manager and the First team Manager ONLY.
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There is no way on Earth that Mikkelsen is a Laszlo signing.
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bowers wrote:
Recruitment is a massive problem for us and has been for a while
look at some of the shite that has been brought in.
some of laszlos decision for lines ups and formations has been outragous and when you look at them he deserves to take some stick for it.
This ^^^. Hard to argue with.
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MockChop wrote:
There is no way on Earth that Mikkelsen is a Laszlo signing.
Or Craig Slater. Or Grant Gillespie.
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On another forum Laszlo has been named 'Dr Wafflepish'................. accurate description or a bit cruel?
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Tek wrote:
RRDH wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
The injuries have fucked us, getting rid of csaba would be wrong imo, is he even making the signings??
this is what I'd very much like to know.
And this is why i said from the outset that i was dead against the appointment of Darren Taylor or anyone else in that role for that matter.
It 'passes the buck'.
If results are shit like they have been for weeks do you blame Darren Taylor for poor recruitment? Or Csaba Laszlo for not getting the best out of his players?
Recruitment and squad-building should be the remit of the First team Manager and the First team Manager ONLY.
How do you know it hasn’t been the remit of the first team manager and only him?
The rate we go through first team managers would effectively mean that none of them got the team they specifically wanted
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Tek wrote:
RRDH wrote:
this is what I'd very much like to know.
And this is why i said from the outset that i was dead against the appointment of Darren Taylor or anyone else in that role for that matter.
It 'passes the buck'.
If results are shit like they have been for weeks do you blame Darren Taylor for poor recruitment? Or Csaba Laszlo for not getting the best out of his players?
Recruitment and squad-building should be the remit of the First team Manager and the First team Manager ONLY.
How do you know it hasn’t been the remit of the first team manager and only him?
The rate we go through first team managers would effectively mean that none of them got the team they specifically wanted
How do i know?
There is no chance in Hell Csaba knew about guys like Thomas Mikkelsen, Grant Gillespie and Craig Slater.
He has managed abroad for years. There is no chance he just so happened to have an intimate knowledge of players from Accies, Killie etc.
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Tek wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Tek wrote:
And this is why i said from the outset that i was dead against the appointment of Darren Taylor or anyone else in that role for that matter.
It 'passes the buck'.
If results are shit like they have been for weeks do you blame Darren Taylor for poor recruitment? Or Csaba Laszlo for not getting the best out of his players?
Recruitment and squad-building should be the remit of the First team Manager and the First team Manager ONLY.
How do you know it hasn’t been the remit of the first team manager and only him?
The rate we go through first team managers would effectively mean that none of them got the team they specifically wantedHow do i know?
There is no chance in Hell Csaba knew about guys like Thomas Mikkelsen, Grant Gillespie and Craig Slater.
He has managed abroad for years. There is no chance he just so happened to have an intimate knowledge of players from Accies, Killie etc.
Doesn't he live in Edinburgh?
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Tangy wrote:
Tek wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
How do you know it hasn’t been the remit of the first team manager and only him?
The rate we go through first team managers would effectively mean that none of them got the team they specifically wantedHow do i know?
There is no chance in Hell Csaba knew about guys like Thomas Mikkelsen, Grant Gillespie and Craig Slater.
He has managed abroad for years. There is no chance he just so happened to have an intimate knowledge of players from Accies, Killie etc.
Doesn't he live in Edinburgh?
He has a house in Edinburgh and lives there now full-time.
But as i say he has spent the vast majority of the last few years living and managing abroad.
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Tangy wrote:
Tek wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
How do you know it hasn’t been the remit of the first team manager and only him?
The rate we go through first team managers would effectively mean that none of them got the team they specifically wantedHow do i know?
There is no chance in Hell Csaba knew about guys like Thomas Mikkelsen, Grant Gillespie and Craig Slater.
He has managed abroad for years. There is no chance he just so happened to have an intimate knowledge of players from Accies, Killie etc.
Doesn't he live in Edinburgh?
Yes
I would also assumed he would get scouting reports from our locally based scouting team then make a final decision, if that is the arrangement that he makes the calls