Tekel Towers » The Csaba effect

kdyteejay · 12/1/2018 11:17 am

Losing Fraser and Fyvie, plus not having an experienced, fit right back has been the biggest blows for us this season. Still a long way to go though but we can't afford to drop much more points.

bowers · 13/2/2018 8:09 pm

the Csaba effect hasn't served us very well has it.

fucking seek

PatReilly · 14/2/2018 12:03 am

Couldn't understand the pile of posters originally praising Csaba, given the evidence seen with my own eyes.

Even given the injuries, he's made crackpot team choices, and his tactics and alterations during matches look clueless.

Tangerine'n'Black · 14/2/2018 12:23 am

Csaba and Ellis stand having debates on touchline for 90 minutes about what.......? because it must only take seconds to say “wtf have we done with team selection?”

Or “why do we play Willo again ?”

Clearly the rest of discussion has nothing to do with the horrors we all endure,

The lights may be on but......

bowers · 14/2/2018 6:05 am

PatReilly wrote:
Couldn't understand the pile of posters originally praising Csaba, given the evidence seen with my own eyes.

Even given the injuries, he's made crackpot team choices, and his tactics and alterations during matches look clueless.

For a good few games what I had seen I was happy with things. But then since the game against stmirren in December it just seems like we have totally given up any hope we had.
just a total fucking mess.

Richs2Rags · 14/2/2018 8:04 am

Don,t Know if its Taylor or Csaba to blame but we have been without a midfield since the second half of the livi game last December, fast forward though a transfer window and guess what, .... we still don't have a midfield. .

Billy_Hainey · 14/2/2018 9:53 am

When he took over on the 8th November we were equal on points (23) we the Midden at the top oe the table. Now look whar the phuck we are.

SlatefordArab · 14/2/2018 10:47 am

PatReilly wrote:
Couldn't understand the pile of posters originally praising Csaba, given the evidence seen with my own eyes.

Even given the injuries, he's made crackpot team choices, and his tactics and alterations during matches look clueless.

For me, we came off two really positive performances and results with Ellis in charge then we played very well against Falkirk (who were very poor), so for me at that point I thought we had finally got our act together and that Shabba would go on and be a positive force for the club.

Since then I do think he has been very unlucky losing Fraser and Fyvie, however that doesn't hide from some bizarre team selections and horrific performances - particularly that defeat at Falkirk which is the worst I have seen from a Utd team in 36 years of going to see them.

Ex Houston Arab · 14/2/2018 11:44 am

Richs2Rags wrote:
Don,t Know if its Taylor or Csaba to blame but we have been without a midfield since the second half of the livi game last December, fast forward though a transfer window and guess what, .... we still don't have a midfield. .

This is it for me.
I had a rant at the time about our window and how poor it was but was mainly met with lolz and how do we know that player is pish.
Out of his 9 signings in the window, the majority of them don’t start matches.
It was obvious what needed to be done in the window if we were serious but we went out and signed some French amateurs and foreign diddies

Tek · 14/2/2018 2:54 pm

We went TOP OF THE LEAGUE after defeating Falkirk 3-0 in Csaba's first game in charge.

If St.Mirren win at the weekend they are SEVENTEEN points clear.

Yes he has been unlucky with injuries but that complete capitulation from all involved at Dundee United is an utter disgrace and shameful.

We should have had enough about us to be able to handle the loss of Fyvie and Fraser. Particulary as their loss came right before the window opened.

Unfortunately 9 signings made in January and imo not one of them has strengthened us significantly.

In short Csaba has made a rip-roaring cunt of the transfer window (or is it Darren Taylor?) Or both?

MockChop · 14/2/2018 3:17 pm

A few things have happened since Dec 23rd.

The Fyvie / Fraser injuries.
St Mirrens great form.
The St Mirren / Falkirk / QOS results.
Our poor recruitment in reaction to said injuries. (quantity over quality).
Postponements, it’s all went disjointed.

We need to win every single game to even have a shout.
A fire needs lit under these cunts. We pumped St Mirren without Fyvie. And Fraser has been in & out of games, but under appreciated perhaps.

On the park, it looks like we’ve given up. Unacceptable.

It has to be 4-4-2 now, and the focus being ‘take good form into the play off’

If a team or 2 can do us a favour against St M, then great but zero we can do about that.

bowers · 14/2/2018 4:02 pm

Taylor and laszlo must take responsibility for the terrible recruitment in January. Very very poor.

Tek · 14/2/2018 4:04 pm

MockChop wrote:
A few things have happened since Dec 23rd.

The Fyvie / Fraser injuries.
St Mirrens great form.
The St Mirren / Falkirk / QOS results.
Our poor recruitment in reaction to said injuries. (quantity over quality).
Postponements, it’s all went disjointed.

We need to win every single game to even have a shout.
A fire needs lit under these cunts. We pumped St Mirren without Fyvie. And Fraser has been in & out of games, but under appreciated perhaps.

On the park, it looks like we’ve given up. Unacceptable.

It has to be 4-4-2 now, and the focus being ‘take good form into the play off’

If a team or 2 can do us a favour against St M, then great but zero we can do about that.

Good post.

I would also add the complete shocking loss of form (or effort?) from of a few senior players who's form had been 'ok' previously (Quinn, Flood, McDonald, McMullan, King).

This worries me that they are not playing for Csaba the way Laurie Ellis had them playing for those 4 games in charge.

bowers · 14/2/2018 4:17 pm

Apparently there has been issues with individual players and the manager.

This could be part of the problem.

14/2/2018 4:21 pm

Must admit to being hoodwinked by the initial upturn after RM left which continued for a few games under Csaba. Then when he signed boys very early into January, I felt really excited as it looked like he wasn't resting on his laurels and was strengthening an already strong and in-form team.
Little did I know that he was signing duds and he would change the playing style that seems to have come from Laurie Ellis.
I try not to be fickle in the way a lot of fans are these days, but I was all for sacking CL after the Morton game and giving Ellis the gig for the rest of the season. I stand by that now

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PatReilly · 14/2/2018 5:03 pm

From what I mind, and it might be wrong, Laurie Ellis slightly tweaked his line up when Raymond left, and Csaba held on to that system until the Livi home match, where he decided Scobbie was a right back and Quinn should replace him in the centre of defence. He put two in front of Quinn and Scobbie to utilise his favoured formation, and we've went to fuck since then.

Of course, we also suffered the injuries, but all clubs get them, and as I keep bringing up, signing injury prone players doesn't help.

Generally, the players like and respect Laurie Ellis. Don't think that's the case with Csaba.

bowers · 14/2/2018 5:13 pm

PatReilly wrote:
From what I mind, and it might be wrong, Laurie Ellis slightly tweaked his line up when Raymond left, and Csaba held on to that system until the Livi home match, where he decided Scobbie was a right back and Quinn should replace him in the centre of defence. He put two in front of Quinn and Scobbie to utilise his favoured formation, and we've went to fuck since then.

Of course, we also suffered the injuries, but all clubs get them, and as I keep bringing up, signing injury prone players doesn't help.

Generally, the players like and respect Laurie Ellis. Don't think that's the case with Csaba.

Bang on Pat

kdyteejay · 14/2/2018 5:28 pm

PatReilly wrote:
From what I mind, and it might be wrong, Laurie Ellis slightly tweaked his line up when Raymond left, and Csaba held on to that system until the Livi home match, where he decided Scobbie was a right back and Quinn should replace him in the centre of defence. He put two in front of Quinn and Scobbie to utilise his favoured formation, and we've went to fuck since then.

Of course, we also suffered the injuries, but all clubs get them, and as I keep bringing up, signing injury prone players doesn't help.

Generally, the players like and respect Laurie Ellis. Don't think that's the case with Csaba.

Agree with this. Can Ellis be persuaded to take on the managers job for next season though and would that appointment sit well with the support. It would with me.

Ex Houston Arab · 14/2/2018 9:01 pm

kdyteejay wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
From what I mind, and it might be wrong, Laurie Ellis slightly tweaked his line up when Raymond left, and Csaba held on to that system until the Livi home match, where he decided Scobbie was a right back and Quinn should replace him in the centre of defence. He put two in front of Quinn and Scobbie to utilise his favoured formation, and we've went to fuck since then.

Of course, we also suffered the injuries, but all clubs get them, and as I keep bringing up, signing injury prone players doesn't help.

Generally, the players like and respect Laurie Ellis. Don't think that's the case with Csaba.

Agree with this. Can Ellis be persuaded to take on the managers job for next season though and would that appointment sit well with the support. It would with me.

I believe at the time, a few of us suggested there was no rush to appoint a manager based on the fact Ellis had us playing good football and winning.
The level of manager we were after had no other offers.
It shows weak leadership from ST to rush to appoint someone when there is no pressure and the incumbent is performing well.
If funds on a messageboard can spot something it’s concerning that our illustrious leader keeps making rank rotten decisions

Arabnophobia · 15/2/2018 12:15 am

kdyteejay wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
From what I mind, and it might be wrong, Laurie Ellis slightly tweaked his line up when Raymond left, and Csaba held on to that system until the Livi home match, where he decided Scobbie was a right back and Quinn should replace him in the centre of defence. He put two in front of Quinn and Scobbie to utilise his favoured formation, and we've went to fuck since then.

Of course, we also suffered the injuries, but all clubs get them, and as I keep bringing up, signing injury prone players doesn't help.

Generally, the players like and respect Laurie Ellis. Don't think that's the case with Csaba.

Agree with this. Can Ellis be persuaded to take on the managers job for next season though and would that appointment sit well with the support. It would with me.

Ellis definately deserves credit for the reaction he got.
All teams get injuries Pat I agree but no sure how Ellis would have managed with loosing the players we have either.

If ST went with him he would have been slated for going for the cheap option. We might have had more cash to spend on replacements though as Csaba's salary would be out of equasion but loads of ifs, buts n' maybes.

I think Csaba will take a lot of shit if we don't see an improvement in results and a change in formation, especially playing 2 up front.

Personally don't like to see fans turning on a new manager as it won't help much at all but it's a message board and all about expressing opinions.

SlatefordArab · 15/2/2018 10:57 am

Quite funny the opinions on Ellis now. I remember folk saying he was a nobody and we have reached a new low with him in charge of the team. Football fans (myself included) really are a fickle bunch eh?!

15/2/2018 1:48 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:
kdyteejay wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
From what I mind, and it might be wrong, Laurie Ellis slightly tweaked his line up when Raymond left, and Csaba held on to that system until the Livi home match, where he decided Scobbie was a right back and Quinn should replace him in the centre of defence. He put two in front of Quinn and Scobbie to utilise his favoured formation, and we've went to fuck since then.

Of course, we also suffered the injuries, but all clubs get them, and as I keep bringing up, signing injury prone players doesn't help.

Generally, the players like and respect Laurie Ellis. Don't think that's the case with Csaba.

Agree with this. Can Ellis be persuaded to take on the managers job for next season though and would that appointment sit well with the support. It would with me.

Ellis definately deserves credit for the reaction he got.
All teams get injuries Pat I agree but no sure how Ellis would have managed with loosing the players we have either.

If ST went with him he would have been slated for going for the cheap option. We might have had more cash to spend on replacements though as Csaba's salary would be out of equasion but loads of ifs, buts n' maybes.

I think Csaba will take a lot of shit if we don't see an improvement in results and a change in formation, especially playing 2 up front.

Personally don't like to see fans turning on a new manager as it won't help much at all but it's a message board and all about expressing opinions.

You're right mate but he would have been slaughtered not slated.
So was never going to be an option.
Gordon Young anybody...?

PatReilly · 15/2/2018 4:11 pm

Playing two up front is something we'd all probably like to see, but wasn't Raymond playing that formation for much of the early part of the season? Certainly in the two defeats before his departure, it was McDonald and Keatings up front.

As an aside, I don't like or rate Gordon Young, and note that he is now employed at one of our rivals.

Billy_Hainey · 15/2/2018 5:53 pm

Eh though Gordon Young had taken up coaching in California last year Pat.

Tek · 15/2/2018 6:06 pm

Last i heard Gordon Young was part of the backroom staff at Edusports Academy.

The ambitious outfit from the Lowland League.

I rated him btw. Wouldn't have been against him staying on at Utd as part of the coaching staff.

Anyway, that's by the by now.

We are another 2 Manager's down the road (3 if you include Ellis) and seem in an even bigger mess now if possible.

If we lose to Livi, then for me Csaba has to be removed immediately and give Ellis the chance again in the interim whilst the season's still salvageable.