Tekel Towers » Who's to blame?

Arab87 · 28/1/2018 4:56 pm

In the space of 3 years we have gone from the envy of scottish football to a laughing stock.
ST- more concerned about Nero's coffee, shagging about and his so called 'inheritance' than he is of leading the club succeasfully. Sold our best players, gave manager's buttons to replace them. Sacked Stevie Campbell who was continueing Cathro's conveyer belt of talent.

Supporter Groups- we have not 1, not 2 but about 8 supporter groups, who all should be working together but instead all want different goals and outcomes.

Players- you train together all week, then when matchday comes around, you act as if you have never seen each other before. Lackluster, no dig, no fight, no grit, no balls, run out of ideas quickly.
Managers- Jackie's summer camp mentality, mixu's shambles, Ray- out of ideas and Csaba- good luck to him but these players can't be motivated.
Who suffers? Us, the lifeblood of the club and until that village idiot is removed of his duties as chairman we wont be coming back to the prem in a long time.
The club, the players and the board- don't deserve our support. We turn up in numbers and we get shite in return.

Billy_Hainey · 29/1/2018 10:31 am

Was wondering why I was having a feeling of dejz vu. But then I took mysell back to the 2nd half of the 2015-16 Season, our Darkest Hour of recent years. Has anybody else noticed the similarities of where we are now and where we were then. Can remember the period of time well on here, the Pongo Period, where we were all pretty much laying some of the blame on the make-up of the squad. Short-term 6 month contracts, loanees etc. It was the considered opinion that players in that position couldna care a phuck, because come the end of Season, they ride off into the sunset. Ring a bell anyone.

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29/1/2018 11:03 am

ST is clearly to blame for the entire situation but I blame Csaba for that mess on Saturday. Fuck knows what he's trying to achieve. He talks about keeping possession but the players are shite in possession!
I've rarely been as frustrated at a game as I was on Saturday. The reluctance to get the ball into attacking areas was shocking. We have no chance of promotion unless there's drastic change and I don't mean players.

B_Bombscare · 29/1/2018 1:36 pm

Who is the blame? Well for me and anyone else I know that goes to watch us its one man and one man only and that is Thompson.

The fall has been incredible.   From challenging for honours and having a good youth system to being a total disaster.    Not sure if its correct but don't think there is one single player in the Scotland U16s to 21s I may be wrong.   Campbell has never been replaced.   Any young player with any potential sold for peanuts.   Dundee United were perhaps the best team in Scotland at bringing through youth which we sold on our terms and reinvested.

Now we sell anyone for peanuts to service debt.   We are losing thousands of pounds per week, sacking managers every 6 months, paying compensation for contracts he handed out, paying off players, gagging orders, new managers want own players which is understandable, nobody comes in hitting the ground running as they are in the main journey men and the majority not fit to wear the shirt.

By the time they get up to speed if they ever do we are miles off the pace.    Yes players hold some responsibility as does the manager.    I don't think Csaba saying if he won the lottery he would invest a million on players was very wise, its much akin to Yogi Hughes and what happened at Raith.   Players these days just simply don't seem to give a damn.

You could change manager again the same thing will happen, the club is an absolute shambles and requires a new direction and that is required asap.    Not after a play off defeat to ICT, we the fans need to get him out. All this in house fighting re United fans and groups is not helping and only making him think he is safe.   I am not attached to any group I do not know the answers but to just sit back and let our club rot because we don't have a figure head to oust this muppet is wrong.

I understand FU tried at the Hibs game last season, personally thought good on them but wrong game and wrong time.     Why are the press not saying anything about it all either ?

It's time for all fans to get together and do something about it, at the end of the day we all love the club and deserve better.   Get this bastard out before we have no club to support.

blackandtangerine · 29/1/2018 1:48 pm

B_Bombscare wrote:
Who is the blame? Well for me and anyone else I know that goes to watch us its one man and one man only and that is Thompson.

The fall has been incredible.   From challenging for honours and having a good youth system to being a total disaster.    Not sure if its correct but don't think there is one single player in the Scotland U16s to 21s I may be wrong.   Campbell has never been replaced.   Any young player with any potential sold for peanuts.   Dundee United were perhaps the best team in Scotland at bringing through youth which we sold on our terms and reinvested.

Now we sell anyone for peanuts to service debt.   We are losing thousands of pounds per week, sacking managers every 6 months, paying compensation for contracts he handed out, paying off players, gagging orders, new managers want own players which is understandable, nobody comes in hitting the ground running as they are in the main journey men and the majority not fit to wear the shirt.

By the time they get up to speed if they ever do we are miles off the pace.    Yes players hold some responsibility as does the manager.    I don't think Csaba saying if he won the lottery he would invest a million on players was very wise, its much akin to Yogi Hughes and what happened at Raith.   Players these days just simply don't seem to give a damn.

You could change manager again the same thing will happen, the club is an absolute shambles and requires a new direction and that is required asap.    Not after a play off defeat to ICT, we the fans need to get him out. All this in house fighting re United fans and groups is not helping and only making him think he is safe.   I am not attached to any group I do not know the answers but to just sit back and let our club rot because we don't have a figure head to oust this muppet is wrong.

I understand FU tried at the Hibs game last season, personally thought good on them but wrong game and wrong time.     Why are the press not saying anything about it all either ?

It's time for all fans to get together and do something about it, at the end of the day we all love the club and deserve better.   Get this bastard out before we have no club to support.

Excellent post

Richs2Rags · 29/1/2018 2:26 pm

There are clearly multiple areas that are causing the collapse on and off the pitch that are out of the avarage fans hands, but what we can control if were all on the same page is the atmosphere the team perform in. Its not rocket science that in any walk of life people preform better in a positive environment rather than being goaded into raising your game, The Silence is deafening from the Tannadice terraces these days until the first slack pass then the abuse starts, The away support don't have to demoralise our players , we do that for them. I know its hard not to get frustrated knowing how far our club has sunk and being powerless to sort it, but i do feel we have the power to lift the team into better preformances, whats the point in having the biggest and most loyal support home and away and not use that to our advantage. Maybe bring out the flag displays again for a start.

Billy_Hainey · 29/1/2018 2:28 pm

B_Bombscare wrote:
Who is the blame? Well for me and anyone else I know that goes to watch us its one man and one man only and that is Thompson.

The fall has been incredible.   From challenging for honours and having a good youth system to being a total disaster.    Not sure if its correct but don't think there is one single player in the Scotland U16s to 21s I may be wrong.   Campbell has never been replaced.   Any young player with any potential sold for peanuts.   Dundee United were perhaps the best team in Scotland at bringing through youth which we sold on our terms and reinvested.

Now we sell anyone for peanuts to service debt.   We are losing thousands of pounds per week, sacking managers every 6 months, paying compensation for contracts he handed out, paying off players, gagging orders, new managers want own players which is understandable, nobody comes in hitting the ground running as they are in the main journey men and the majority not fit to wear the shirt.

By the time they get up to speed if they ever do we are miles off the pace.    Yes players hold some responsibility as does the manager.    I don't think Csaba saying if he won the lottery he would invest a million on players was very wise, its much akin to Yogi Hughes and what happened at Raith.   Players these days just simply don't seem to give a damn.

You could change manager again the same thing will happen, the club is an absolute shambles and requires a new direction and that is required asap.    Not after a play off defeat to ICT, we the fans need to get him out. All this in house fighting re United fans and groups is not helping and only making him think he is safe.   I am not attached to any group I do not know the answers but to just sit back and let our club rot because we don't have a figure head to oust this muppet is wrong.

I understand FU tried at the Hibs game last season, personally thought good on them but wrong game and wrong time.     Why are the press not saying anything about it all either ?

It's time for all fans to get together and do something about it, at the end of the day we all love the club and deserve better.   Get this bastard out before we have no club to support.

Some excellent points in there.

Billy_Hainey · 29/1/2018 2:40 pm

Richs2Rags wrote:
There are clearly multiple areas that are causing the collapse on and off the pitch that are out of the avarage fans hands, but what we can control if were all on the same page is the atmosphere the team perform in. Its not rocket science that in any walk of life people preform better in a positive environment rather than being goaded into raising your game, The Silence is deafening from the Tannadice terraces these days until the first slack pass then the abuse starts, The away support don't have to demoralise our players , we do that for them. I know its hard not to get frustrated knowing how far our club has sunk and being powerless to sort it, but i do feel we have the power to lift the team into better preformances, whats the point in having the biggest and most loyal support home and away and not use that to our advantage. Maybe bring out the flag displays again for a start.

You're spot on with your observations of the atmosphere at the ground. More like the Rue Morgue than Tannadice Street. Feels like you're a tombstone in a graveyard, rather than a supporter in the George Fox. This has been going on for a while now. The support is p1ssed off, and who can blame them. Getting this hump off oor back has got to be 1 of the most important issues, but it's probably 1 of the most difficult.

PatReilly · 29/1/2018 3:30 pm

Richs2Rags wrote:
There are clearly multiple areas that are causing the collapse on and off the pitch that are out of the avarage fans hands, but what we can control if were all on the same page is the atmosphere the team perform in. Its not rocket science that in any walk of life people preform better in a positive environment rather than being goaded into raising your game, The Silence is deafening from the Tannadice terraces these days until the first slack pass then the abuse starts, The away support don't have to demoralise our players , we do that for them. I know its hard not to get frustrated knowing how far our club has sunk and being powerless to sort it, but i do feel we have the power to lift the team into better preformances, whats the point in having the biggest and most loyal support home and away and not use that to our advantage. Maybe bring out the flag displays again for a start.

Folk aren't daft.

The club haven't helped matters with their unhelpful position taken regarding the 'singing section', putting them as far away from our main body of fans as possible. I'd say, on purpose the club killed that initiative off.

And the 'silence' you mention is to do with anticipation. If the team seemed set up to take the play to the opposition at home, and if they'd shown any evidence of attacking ability on an on-going basis, the fans would be turning up with a much more positive outlook.

But we see the team lines, we know players will be out of position (such as top scorer McDonald playing in midfield), or some retaining their place for no apparent reason (fill in your own choices here). And we take our seats with an apprehension of what is to come: often quite justified.

I'd also say there are games where the players themselves have downed tools in the early stages, most noteworthy at Falkirk, but observed again on Saturday at home. They don't seem to be buying in to whatever Csaba is preaching.

The way that the biggest support in this division should be utilised is in a combined and united approach to encourage change at the top of the club. And I think we almost all agree with this, but who will be the person, or which supporters' groups will be the one, to try to unite behind a common goal?

PS, a big thumbs up for B_Bombscare's post.

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bowers · 29/1/2018 9:56 pm

Richs2Rags wrote:
There are clearly multiple areas that are causing the collapse on and off the pitch that are out of the avarage fans hands, but what we can control if were all on the same page is the atmosphere the team perform in. Its not rocket science that in any walk of life people preform better in a positive environment rather than being goaded into raising your game, The Silence is deafening from the Tannadice terraces these days until the first slack pass then the abuse starts, The away support don't have to demoralise our players , we do that for them. I know its hard not to get frustrated knowing how far our club has sunk and being powerless to sort it, but i do feel we have the power to lift the team into better preformances, whats the point in having the biggest and most loyal support home and away and not use that to our advantage. Maybe bring out the flag displays again for a start.

There has been talk of this recently between a few of us.
However its no just as easy as getting the flag(s) out the cupboard i need to go through the correct cbannels to organise and the time and effort it takes people to set up and tidy up before and after people are not prepared to waste time on this shower of shite at the minute which i totally understand.
We will be looking for new people to get involved in setting these up in the future.

Tek · 29/1/2018 10:55 pm

bowers wrote:
Richs2Rags wrote:
There are clearly multiple areas that are causing the collapse on and off the pitch that are out of the avarage fans hands, but what we can control if were all on the same page is the atmosphere the team perform in. Its not rocket science that in any walk of life people preform better in a positive environment rather than being goaded into raising your game, The Silence is deafening from the Tannadice terraces these days until the first slack pass then the abuse starts, The away support don't have to demoralise our players , we do that for them. I know its hard not to get frustrated knowing how far our club has sunk and being powerless to sort it, but i do feel we have the power to lift the team into better preformances, whats the point in having the biggest and most loyal support home and away and not use that to our advantage. Maybe bring out the flag displays again for a start.

There has been talk of this recently between a few of us.
However its no just as easy as getting the flag(s) out the cupboard i need to go through the correct cbannels to organise and the time and effort it takes people to set up and tidy up before and after people are not prepared to waste time on this shower of shite at the minute which i totally understand.
We will be looking for new people to get involved in setting these up in the future.

What about something as simple as organising everyone holding their scarves aloft when the teams come out?

A show of unity.

annanarab · 29/1/2018 11:49 pm

Fans get off their bums and burst into cheering or song when the ball gets into the box & when goals are scored. Goalmouth incidents (and goals) are really what fans pay to see and when it happens fans get excited and the noise they make can lift players. One of the big problems with United with Jackie/Mixu/Ray/Csaba in post is that we don't go near the box nearly often enough and instead of excited fans creating an atmosphere to encourage and lift the team, they are bored/distracted/frustrated. Its not the fans fault - if the team gives them something to cheer, they will. If the managers want to carry on playing the turgid stuff then the atmosphere will be dead, the team wont get a lift and the only noise will be fans moaning at players as well as the current trend of players moaning right back at fans. Binn the turgid stuff, give 100% for 90+ minutes and get the ball and players into the box and you'll find the fans on board and being the 12th man. Keep the turgid stuff and there will be even less fans to be bored in future. The turgid stuff might be bearable if we were winning but we're out of the top 6, were out of the PL and we're in the Championship for a 2nd year going on 3. Its a double whammy zero entertainment and lack of success. Wouldn't be hard to fix - suggest the chairman has a word with the manager pronto

bowers · 30/1/2018 8:42 am

Tek wrote:
bowers wrote:
Richs2Rags wrote:
There are clearly multiple areas that are causing the collapse on and off the pitch that are out of the avarage fans hands, but what we can control if were all on the same page is the atmosphere the team perform in. Its not rocket science that in any walk of life people preform better in a positive environment rather than being goaded into raising your game, The Silence is deafening from the Tannadice terraces these days until the first slack pass then the abuse starts, The away support don't have to demoralise our players , we do that for them. I know its hard not to get frustrated knowing how far our club has sunk and being powerless to sort it, but i do feel we have the power to lift the team into better preformances, whats the point in having the biggest and most loyal support home and away and not use that to our advantage. Maybe bring out the flag displays again for a start.

There has been talk of this recently between a few of us.
However its no just as easy as getting the flag(s) out the cupboard i need to go through the correct cbannels to organise and the time and effort it takes people to set up and tidy up before and after people are not prepared to waste time on this shower of shite at the minute which i totally understand.
We will be looking for new people to get involved in setting these up in the future.
What about something as simple as organising everyone holding their scarves aloft when the teams come out?

A show of unity.

Hardly see that many people with them to be that noticeable TEK.

blackandtangerine · 30/1/2018 9:58 am

Tek wrote:
bowers wrote:
Richs2Rags wrote:
There are clearly multiple areas that are causing the collapse on and off the pitch that are out of the avarage fans hands, but what we can control if were all on the same page is the atmosphere the team perform in. Its not rocket science that in any walk of life people preform better in a positive environment rather than being goaded into raising your game, The Silence is deafening from the Tannadice terraces these days until the first slack pass then the abuse starts, The away support don't have to demoralise our players , we do that for them. I know its hard not to get frustrated knowing how far our club has sunk and being powerless to sort it, but i do feel we have the power to lift the team into better preformances, whats the point in having the biggest and most loyal support home and away and not use that to our advantage. Maybe bring out the flag displays again for a start.

There has been talk of this recently between a few of us.
However its no just as easy as getting the flag(s) out the cupboard i need to go through the correct cbannels to organise and the time and effort it takes people to set up and tidy up before and after people are not prepared to waste time on this shower of shite at the minute which i totally understand.
We will be looking for new people to get involved in setting these up in the future.
What about something as simple as organising everyone holding their scarves aloft when the teams come out?

A show of unity.

I dinnae ken anyone that wears football scarves these days

Tek · 30/1/2018 10:29 am

blackandtangerine wrote:
Tek wrote:
bowers wrote:

There has been talk of this recently between a few of us.
However its no just as easy as getting the flag(s) out the cupboard i need to go through the correct cbannels to organise and the time and effort it takes people to set up and tidy up before and after people are not prepared to waste time on this shower of shite at the minute which i totally understand.
We will be looking for new people to get involved in setting these up in the future.
What about something as simple as organising everyone holding their scarves aloft when the teams come out?

A show of unity.

I dinnae ken anyone that wears football scarves these days

Folk would maybe make an effort to wear one if it was organised correctly.

I'm just thinking out loud. Seemed a very easy and costless way for the fans to show a symbol of unity/support.