tangerine terror wrote:

Keatings is no good up front don't kid yourself. Why do you think Hibs let him go?

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Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Last year he packed the squad full of #10's, this year he packed it full of holding midfielders, on top of that Sam Stanton revelation in the press yesterday that he cannot train with the squad (and hasn't  done so for five years) makes you think WTF? 

He was after Fyvie for holding midfield.

He didn't get him.

He re-signed Flood.

He signed Briels.

He signed Stanton.

They looked good together.

He got Fyvie.

He pushed Stanton forward.

He drops Fraser.

He signs McDonald.

He moves Keatings from his favoured and promised position and plays him wide where he is clearly useless.

He juggles McMullan between wing and #10 role.

He persists with King.

I know I'm rambling but it's poor decision after poor decision, he should have gave Fyvie a deadline, once he passed it he should have told him to fuck off and strengthened an area more in need of it (wings) and not once again spunked his budget on overloading one area.

Fucking mug.



 

Agreed.  Going back in to sign Fyvie after signing Briels, Flood and Stanton was madness, especially in the physical shape he is in.  We need another striker and a winger.  Is there anything left in the budget?

More than anything we need a new style, shape and mindset when playing, particularly in away games.
 

I do think it's got a little over the top since Saturday but i can understand, it was a horrible result. I'm personally still on Ray's side and would rather we stick together and help him through it than demand his removal. It's just never going to end this revolving door, I feel football culture is way too quick to punt nowadays. Just my opinion

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blackandtangerine wrote:

 Its driving me to drink!!

Are you complaining or rejoicing?? 
 

Why do you think you need Messi and Bale to play 4-2-3-1? I don't honestly think we'd be performing any better with a 4-4-2, look at the errors that cost us goals on Saturday, it was basic stuff, nothing to do with the formation.

And I don't think Allardice is ready for the first team.

Last edited by tangerine terror (28/8/2017 2:47 pm)

My take on things are as follows.

We got well and truly battered on Saturday. I've spoken to a few buddies since the game and they don't have a clue whether they played well or whether we were utter keech. The same point has been made by some Arabs as well. I can't comment on how the team are playing this season as I've only seen the derbies this season & that was on the box. However, I do have a more general observation...

How many managers have we had that, at the time of appointment, most of us have disagreed with? Even under Eddie T I, and most folk I have talked to, have been energised and hopeful about whoever our new boss has been. In fact, as I see it, the most underwhelming appointment won us the Scottish cup. So, what do I know? I was delighted with Jackie Mc for the first 18 months, concerned for a bit, then utterly bewildered why he was still in situ for so long.

On top of that, behind the scenes, there are obviously a lot of problems. Tribunals, court cases, staff turnover and folk taking wages from the club that appear to bring nothing to their role.  Even ex-players that had a great time here before won't come back. Basically, the club is in a mess.  It's toxic. Whether that is Southern's responsibility, or ST's, or maybe even someone else's, I don't care. I want them out the club before the rot really sets in.

Someone needs to get in here there and rip the club apart and build it from scratch again. Levein did that for us but it had already taken us 15 years to recover from Ivan Golac's tenure. IMO, Jackie mac has done a similar amount of damage to that caused by golac. The sooner someone gets in there & straightens things out the better. A Leanne Dempster type would do if ST cannae take any more. I don't care who it is or what role they take but someone needs to get their hands on the reins and start steering the ship in the right direction.

Given everything going on just now it's not really a massive surprise we aren't yet firing on all cylinders yet. The signing policy so far under RM does appear to be odd given how over loaded we are in the middle of the park but short on strikers and natural defenders. Again, though, I don't have any knowledge of the players they have tried to get and where ray genuinely believes the team is in good shape or not.

In short, I don't know whether mourinho could come in & steady the ship. Maybe ray is a shit hot gaffer in a shitter of a situation & is actually doing a shit hot job just now. Maybe he's just shit. Who knows?  I'm just glad I'm not ST right now.

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PatReilly wrote:

tangerine terror, you may be correct about Allardice, and you are right that Messi and Bale aren't required for 4-2-3-1.

But if Ray McKinnon wants to play such a formation, he has to have that important '1' up front. He's not brought such a player in.

And selecting Fyvie and Flood as his '2' in a 4-2-3-1 on Saturday was idiotic.

I hope he and the staff have good contacts for at least a couple of loan signings in the positions we lack before the transfer window 'slams shut'.

 
I think Briels would have been better alongside Fyvie but he was out injured. Flood made a big appology in the papers after the game about their performance. It seems to me they lacked belief or motivation and were not putting in enough effort off the ball. The goals came from players being out of position. Flood for the first.

tangerine terror wrote:

Why do you think you need Messi and Bale to play 4-2-3-1? I don't honestly think we'd be performing any better with a 4-4-2, look at the errors that cost us goals on Saturday, it was basic stuff, nothing to do with the formation.

And I don't think Allardice is ready for the first team.

I think you may have missed my point TT. I was saying that 4-2-3-1 (hate this formation) is a formation you can play when you have the quality. Worked for us when we had gms, gauld, armstrong and ciftci, but we dont have that quality and we need to get back to basics.
 

Arab87 wrote:

tangerine terror wrote:

Why do you think you need Messi and Bale to play 4-2-3-1? I don't honestly think we'd be performing any better with a 4-4-2, look at the errors that cost us goals on Saturday, it was basic stuff, nothing to do with the formation.

And I don't think Allardice is ready for the first team.

I think you may have missed my point TT. I was saying that 4-2-3-1 (hate this formation) is a formation you can play when you have the quality. Worked for us when we had gms, gauld, armstrong and ciftci, but we dont have that quality and we need to get back to basics.
 

 
I understand what you're saying but I disagree. I like the formation and I think we play badly not because of the formation but for other reasons.

Leedsy2 wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

 Its driving me to drink!!

Are you complaining or rejoicing?? 
 

Complaining. Costing me a fortune 😂😂
 

alot hit a brick wall with him mid way through last season but he was given the benefit of doubt from alot due to the players etc.

this now is entirely his team which to me is a better team than last season and its the same shite again. very very hard to watch and the fans rightly so are not very happy. 

 

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