The players looked pretty motivated to me. Think some people are over-reacting. The difference was in strength and pace. These things need worked on.

Oh you can. You can improve core strength, balance, and pace with the correct training. Plyometrics helps with speed and acceleration.

Cant win them all, but that was dreadful !!! 2nd best in every department! Think Quinn will sign, however I don't see anyone else coming in up front- Keatings, N'Koi, Mcdonald and McMullan who can play there If required will be our lot I reckon.

One of our problems is that we have a lame duck chairman who given his record of stewardship, isn't really in a position to criticise anyone. Any decent chairman worth his salt should have hauled Ray in first thing this morning and let him know that that performance was completely unacceptable and performances have to significantly improve. I am realistic enough to acknowledge that you cant always expect to win and especially so against better or better resourced teams but I do have expectations that my team will go out with a decent game plan to exploit any weaknesses the opposition may have and that the players will work the tails off for the 90 minutes.  I don't think this was a strong Dundee team  and for the young central defenders to go through a derby game without being properly tested is just not on

annanarab wrote:

One of our problems is that we have a lame duck chairman who given his record of stewardship, isn't really in a position to criticise anyone. Any decent chairman worth his salt should have hauled Ray in first thing this morning and let him know that that performance was completely unacceptable and performances have to significantly improve. I am realistic enough to acknowledge that you cant always expect to win and especially so against better or better resourced teams but I do have expectations that my team will go out with a decent game plan to exploit any weaknesses the opposition may have and that the players will work the tails off for the 90 minutes.  I don't think this was a strong Dundee team  and for the young central defenders to go through a derby game without being properly tested is just not on

 

Proper meltdown stuff. Thought you'd have been happy seeing us hump the ball up the park for the first 30 mins last night.

Lumpin' the ball up the park for thirty minutes would be better than just giving it away for 85.

B_Bombscare wrote:

Deary me the usual meltdown after a defeat.   All this pish about physicality nobody said anything about that when we beat arguably the most physical of the lot ICT on Saturday.   Just don't think we played well and Dundee deserved it one of those days.   Should really have got an equaliser from King also despite not really being in the game.   On to the important stuff on Saturday

I did mention my worry about our lack of physicality though even prior to Inverness.

And i never seen that game but heard reports that the penalty aside we were pretty poor and got a bit lucky.

annanarab wrote:

One of our problems is that we have a lame duck chairman who given his record of stewardship, isn't really in a position to criticise anyone. Any decent chairman worth his salt should have hauled Ray in first thing this morning and let him know that that performance was completely unacceptable and performances have to significantly improve. I am realistic enough to acknowledge that you cant always expect to win and especially so against better or better resourced teams but I do have expectations that my team will go out with a decent game plan to exploit any weaknesses the opposition may have and that the players will work the tails off for the 90 minutes.  I don't think this was a strong Dundee team  and for the young central defenders to go through a derby game without being properly tested is just not on

 
Dear g0d. Are we still in the 1970's?!?! Last night was a sore one for all but we have to accept we have a new team gelling with a long season ahead. Signings so far look positive; let's give them time.

Going on a public forum (in full view of opposition fans) and spouting drivel like this is absolutely embarrassing

lifesanocean wrote:

Regarding Rays post match comments: Have people maybe considered that he didn't wasnt to publically slate them given that its a new team, it was their first defeat, they'd won all other games so far and losing to a Premiership team over two games by one goal isn't worth a public slating and losing the dressing room like Mixu did? Maybe he got tore into them in the dressing room? Too many people seem to think we can just hire and fire players willy nilly. Funnily enough, these are also the ones moaning about the club paying off players. Utterly clueless. Maybe they think we should just assault unwanted players like Dundee did with Billio and Di Marchi?

Now that's a meltdown 
 

lifesanocean wrote:

annanarab wrote:

One of our problems is that we have a lame duck chairman who given his record of stewardship, isn't really in a position to criticise anyone. Any decent chairman worth his salt should have hauled Ray in first thing this morning and let him know that that performance was completely unacceptable and performances have to significantly improve. I am realistic enough to acknowledge that you cant always expect to win and especially so against better or better resourced teams but I do have expectations that my team will go out with a decent game plan to exploit any weaknesses the opposition may have and that the players will work the tails off for the 90 minutes.  I don't think this was a strong Dundee team  and for the young central defenders to go through a derby game without being properly tested is just not on

 

Proper meltdown stuff. Thought you'd have been happy seeing us hump the ball up the park for the first 30 mins last night.

Not sure why you are labelling me a "hump the ball up the park" merchant. My preference has always been to get the ball wide and crossed into the box cos stats suggest that the most prolific way of scoring especially when level or behind. I also think that wide/wing play is the most attractive to watch. However, given a choice between lumping up the park or the pointless passing drivel that Ray plays, I'd lump it every time.

Aberdeen Arab wrote:

annanarab wrote:

One of our problems is that we have a lame duck chairman who given his record of stewardship, isn't really in a position to criticise anyone. Any decent chairman worth his salt should have hauled Ray in first thing this morning and let him know that that performance was completely unacceptable and performances have to significantly improve. I am realistic enough to acknowledge that you cant always expect to win and especially so against better or better resourced teams but I do have expectations that my team will go out with a decent game plan to exploit any weaknesses the opposition may have and that the players will work the tails off for the 90 minutes.  I don't think this was a strong Dundee team  and for the young central defenders to go through a derby game without being properly tested is just not on

 
Dear g0d. Are we still in the 1970's?!?! Last night was a sore one for all but we have to accept we have a new team gelling with a long season ahead. Signings so far look positive; let's give them time.

Going on a public forum (in full view of opposition fans) and spouting drivel like this is absolutely embarrassing

Haven't a clue what the 70's reference means (even tho I lived through them) - did I miss something, what happened back then to merit a dear G

Agree last night was a sore one, yet another of the many sore ones we've suffered since Christmas. It all very well getting new players in but if the tactics aren't right, there will probably be many more sore ones to come.  
 

annanarab wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

annanarab wrote:

One of our problems is that we have a lame duck chairman who given his record of stewardship, isn't really in a position to criticise anyone. Any decent chairman worth his salt should have hauled Ray in first thing this morning and let him know that that performance was completely unacceptable and performances have to significantly improve. I am realistic enough to acknowledge that you cant always expect to win and especially so against better or better resourced teams but I do have expectations that my team will go out with a decent game plan to exploit any weaknesses the opposition may have and that the players will work the tails off for the 90 minutes.  I don't think this was a strong Dundee team  and for the young central defenders to go through a derby game without being properly tested is just not on

 

Proper meltdown stuff. Thought you'd have been happy seeing us hump the ball up the park for the first 30 mins last night.

Not sure why you are labelling me a "hump the ball up the park" merchant. My preference has always been to get the ball wide and crossed into the box cos stats suggest that the most prolific way of scoring especially when level or behind. I also think that wide/wing play is the most attractive to watch. However, given a choice between lumping up the park or the pointless passing drivel that Ray plays, I'd lump it every time.

Our problems stemmed from a. them being more up for it b. their tacic of knocking it long to Haber and playing for 2nd balls which their players seemed to win every time.  Edge and Durnan should've cleaned the cunt out early doors c. El Baktoui playing almost up as a second striker which Edge and Durnan struggled with c. Fyvie being a stone overweight and giving the ball away repeatedly and Briels not knowing who to cover for and generally looking like a rabbit caught in the headlights d. Us basically knocking it long for the first 30 minutes either from Edge or the goalkeeper and it coming straight back every time putting us under near constant pressure (trying to hit Stanton on the right hand side, laddie never won a header but he's probably never been played like that in his life). e. McMullan and King both being poor and ineffectual out wide but also lacking a focal point to hit.  If Haber played for us our wingers would definitely benefit from it.

When we switched Stanton and McMullen we created about 3 openings one of which was the goal.  It was also the first time in the game we actually passed the ball.  When we did that we caused them problems and for me the one-touch stuff was actaully good to watch and a big step-up from last season when we literally could not string one pass together.  I didn't see it as pointless passing.  The ball Toshney (I know) put in for Keatings near the end split them wide open.  We just couldn't get the ball off of them enough and were outmuscled too easily all over the park.  The boy Kamara for them is a very good find. Had a bit of the Prince/Gomis about him in the way he played: physical but also a good all-round footballer.
 

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