RRDH, I'll agree there is an issue of immigration, yet attacks such as these are normally reported to be carried out by UK nationals.

The UK doesn't have a national guard, but we have an army and police, both of which have been reduced in England and Wales in numbers in this last few years. 

 

South of the border the number of police officers has dropped by 19,000 since the Conservatives took control in 2010. This is nothing to do with Corbyn.............

In terms of immigration, if you actually think this is the root cause of these incidents, Theresa May was the Home Secretary for the Conservatives from when they took office in 2010 until she was made PM in 2016.

The Office of National Statistics show that while May was Home Secretary, immigration figures steadily rose: when figures were released every three months, May always sent James Brokenshire, her immigration minister, out to explain why the promised cuts in numbers hadn't been attained.

Now, assimilation into 'western culture'? What is 'western culture'? You can hardly ban a massive religion: many UK nationals follow Islam. 

'No go areas' were mentioned by Leedsy last week, and now you: they certainly exist in terms of policing. But there have been such parts of cities for a number of years, not just based on the Islamic religion. I'll agree this issue should be dealt with, but policing has become less effective over a long number of years, due to the force relying more on technology and less on visibility on the streets. Policing strategies require a massive sea change, and as I've illustrated earlier, cutting officer numbers will not help overcome the issue of 'no go areas'.

And all of the above goes before I even consider the timing of the incident, and the effect on the mindset of voters.

Pat & LAO, well said.

RRDH, to suggest Corbyn isn't the answer, does that mean May is? Cos she certainly doesn't seem to be just now.

PatReilly wrote:

RRDH, I'll agree there is an issue of immigration, yet attacks such as these are normally reported to be carried out by UK nationals.

The UK doesn't have a national guard, but we have an army and police, both of which have been reduced in England and Wales in numbers in this last few years. 

 

South of the border the number of police officers has dropped by 19,000 since the Conservatives took control in 2010. This is nothing to do with Corbyn.............

In terms of immigration, if you actually think this is the root cause of these incidents, Theresa May was the Home Secretary for the Conservatives from when they took office in 2010 until she was made PM in 2016.

The Office of National Statistics show that while May was Home Secretary, immigration figures steadily rose: when figures were released every three months, May always sent James Brokenshire, her immigration minister, out to explain why the promised cuts in numbers hadn't been attained.

Now, assimilation into 'western culture'? What is 'western culture'? You can hardly ban a massive religion: many UK nationals follow Islam. 

'No go areas' were mentioned by Leedsy last week, and now you: they certainly exist in terms of policing. But there have been such parts of cities for a number of years, not just based on the Islamic religion. I'll agree this issue should be dealt with, but policing has become less effective over a long number of years, due to the force relying more on technology and less on visibility on the streets. Policing strategies require a massive sea change, and as I've illustrated earlier, cutting officer numbers will not help overcome the issue of 'no go areas'.

And all of the above goes before I even consider the timing of the incident, and the effect on the mindset of voters.

Pat I'm no Theresa May fan, but probably for opposite reason as some folk.  I'm a conservative before anything else and the tory party stopped being conservative in any shape or form 20+ years ago.

She did oversee increases in immigration which (depending on origins) is wrong. Especially today.  My guess is she has next to no pro-active policy or measure to address this outside of keep doing what we are doing... everyone go about your business... we'll beat them by doing absolutely jack shit... maybe a fucking hashtag movement.

No Pat, assimilation is not in any way advocating against practicing religions.  It is however crucial that anyone immigrating here takes on board certain aspects of our society that are held as sacred.  Women in the UK from whatever religion should not be forced or otherwise to cover their faces, sharia law has no place in our society and we shouldn't tolerate hate preachers to hit on a couple of examples.

These are the type of measures that just make sense but would create fucking uproar these days.

Still, if we carry on with this trajectory then add socialism into the mix then we're asking for trouble.
 

Do we have the stomach................... to stop selling weapons to Saudi Arabia?

And allowing ourselves to be blinded by the Saudis by the Saudis blaming Qatar for supporting terrorism?

The argument that people would lose their jobs if we took this step is redundant for the Tories, who decimated traditional industrial areas in the 'eighties. That's without addressing the morality of producing and exporting these weapons.