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Arab_plumber · 12/3/2017 6:54 pm

Fans United Core Aims & Principles

1 We are a collective of Dundee United fans who care deeply about the club.

2 We have quietly watched on as a series of financial and football related decisions have been taken which seem to have done nothing but weaken the club's status.

3 We have seen a very rapid decline going from consistent top 6 / European football to now 3rd in the Championship

4 We and others have asked for transparency from the Board in terms of what plans are in place to reverse the recent decline. To date we have not had any response.

5 We want to make it known that in the absence of a clear plan to address our current decline we think a change of direction is needed .

6 We hope that by publicising the fact that a core group of fans would like to make change happen, we can help encourage new investment in the club.

7 We don't have all the answers at present. Change may take many forms, for example greater fan ownership / involvement or an individual taking over from the current board. Our simple aim is to facilitate positive change.

8 What we do want to make clear is that we cannot just sit back and accept recent financial and football performance from the club.

9 We welcome all like minded individuals to join Fans United and seek the improvements we all want!

Join Fans United Now.

TheShed · 12/3/2017 6:58 pm

Good to see more info going public.

Be worth putting up how folk can actually join tho AP.

Arab_plumber · 12/3/2017 8:59 pm

Currently the only way to join is in the Facebook page pressing the join button and Admin will decide yes or no

Blackiearab · 12/3/2017 9:25 pm

FAO of arabplumber Has FU actually had any dialog with the so called investors sitting on the side line,and if you have can you elaborate.also posted on utdmad

Beharder · 12/3/2017 9:33 pm

Blackiearab wrote:
FAO of arabplumber Has FU actually had any dialog with the so called investors sitting on the side line,and if you have can you elaborate.also posted on utdmad

That is the key point Blackie. Nobody is happy to see the club where it is but without genuine alternative ownership FU will struggle .
Heard from one possible owner that the abuse ST has taken means he is out.

just noticed there AP good to see you now taking an optimistic outlook in point 3 We are down to 4th now.

Last edited by Beharder (12/3/2017 9:39 pm)

Tangy · 12/3/2017 10:18 pm

Was reading mad just there and it looks like feck you are going to promote the idea that people don't buy season tickets?

Is this correct? A club which you say is financially on its knees and you want to starve it of its biggest source of income?

Can any feck you members tell me what the projected outcome of this is?

From my point of view, if fans withdraw financial support, it will drive the club towards administration or as has been said by some on this forum previously, directly to liquidation.

At very best it will limit the players we can sign next season and give us a lesser chance of promotion.

Would love to hear the reasoning behind the move - if this is a tally going to happen.

EDIT also can I ask - were the mystery feck you-ers part of previous attempts to sabotage events such as the strip release? The one where the club were trying to mix with the public but a threat of protests/banner waving meant it had to be moved to within gussie?

Last edited by Tangy (12/3/2017 10:21 pm)

Tek · 12/3/2017 10:31 pm

My tuppence worth for what it's worth to anyone from FU looking in (probably not a lot,but I'll give it anyway if anyone's interested).

I didn't agree with the timing of the protest during such an important match for the club BUT i do fundamentally agree with the principle for setting-up the organisation.You would be hard pushed to find a Dundee United supporter out there who wants a regime change as much as i,and I've also been as critical of Thompson and his Chairmanship as any other.So in a respect with me you are 'preaching to the converted'.

So it is with dissapointment therefore that i would have to say (at the moment) that i would want nothing to do with the group.

My reason/s?

The reaction to any perceived criticism of the Group and/or disagreement about their protest has been met with (at best) indifference and (at worst) out and out hostility towards fellow supporters by some FU members.I am talking about primarily on Twitter.I am not a Facebook user but can hazard a guess that it's the same on there.

This is not the way to win folk over guys.Infact what it might even end up doing is make people who support Thompson even more entrenched in their view.

Instead why not offer a conciliatory tone towards anyone who disagrees?For instance if someone were to say 'i don't agree with you guys protesting during a big game' the response could so easily be 'sorry to hear you disagree but could i tell you a bit more about why we feel this is quite so necessary in private?I can also send you a link to our site which would tell you more about our future plans etc'.

It's really that easy and this approach would mean that even if someone doesn't agree with the groups methods initially their support isn't lost to you completely which it certainly will be if you reply with indifference or worse,hostility.

I do think this group has been set-up for the right reasons and there is nothing at all wrong with that statement of bullet-points AP posted above.I particulary am pleased to see the confession that FU 'don't have all the answers' (this type of contrition and honesty is a start).

But for me what they are saying in their statements of intent and how some of their members are behaving towards fellow supporters is totally at odds with one an other and at the moment is making a bit of a mockery of the misnomer 'Fans United'.

I hope people reading this from FU take this more as friendly advice rather than an attack.Because as i say,i believe in the fundamental reasons the group was set-up for.

But a new approach has to be taken here Gentlemen if you want to win fans round to your cause.We have a modest support and if our core base of 6,000 are utterly divided then i fear your venture is doomed to failure before it has a chance to properly take off.

A bit more openess and (a lot more) friendliness would be a good start imho.

If i were to see that then i would be more inclined to give my support and ideas to the cause.

Beharder · 12/3/2017 10:40 pm

asking people not to buy season tickets tells me that FU are putting there hatred of ST above thier love for the club. You need to think this through what would be the outcome of reduced sales smaller budget poorer squad more time in this league or worse. ST may still be the chairman. Stop being so belligerent and aggressive in your actions or you will remain a fringe group.
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Rocky Raccoon · 12/3/2017 10:46 pm

If everyone never bought season tickets last summer we wouldn't have had money to pay for Toshney and we would be getting more money every second week through pay at the gates, win win IMO.

Arab_plumber · 12/3/2017 10:56 pm

We are not asking folk not to buy them it's a personal choice, a lot of us are not renewing and a letter will be drafted saying we are not buying due to the disastrous mismanagement from the board.

If you feel you need a season ticket fill your boots and buy one I won't argue with you.

Giving ST even more money to mismanage is not something I can contine to do, he's also failed miserably to find investment that he told us we needed or has he reduced the running costs of the club.
Since relegation we've added a stadium manager and a media spin doctor.

I'll pay into games next season that's my personal choice under this farcical regime

Beharder · 12/3/2017 11:20 pm

Rocky Raccoon wrote:
If everyone never bought season tickets last summer we wouldn't have had money to pay for Toshney and we would be getting more money every second week through pay at the gates, win win IMO.

without the guaranteed income we would not have been able to commit to Bell Andreu Edge ect and would be fighting relegation lose lose in my book

HeggyHandshake · 13/3/2017 12:03 am

Tangy wrote:
Was reading mad just there and it looks like feck you are going to promote the idea that people don't buy season tickets?

Is this correct? A club which you say is financially on its knees and you want to starve it of its biggest source of income?

Can any feck you members tell me what the projected outcome of this is?

From my point of view, if fans withdraw financial support, it will drive the club towards administration or as has been said by some on this forum previously, directly to liquidation.

At very best it will limit the players we can sign next season and give us a lesser chance of promotion.

Would love to hear the reasoning behind the move - if this is a tally going to happen.

EDIT also can I ask - were the mystery feck you-ers part of previous attempts to sabotage events such as the strip release? The one where the club were trying to mix with the public but a threat of protests/banner waving meant it had to be moved to within gussie?

Tangy, this post has an affy wiff of Dundee United employee about it.

Last edited by HeggyHandshake (13/3/2017 12:03 am)

HeggyHandshake · 13/3/2017 12:06 am

Beharder wrote:
Blackiearab wrote:
FAO of arabplumber Has FU actually had any dialog with the so called investors sitting on the side line,and if you have can you elaborate.also posted on utdmad

Heard from one possible owner that the abuse ST has taken means he is out.

Really, that's a nightmare. I heard from a possible owner exactly the opposite tonight, he says ST hasn't had any abuse so he's out.

HeggyHandshake · 13/3/2017 12:08 am

Tek wrote:
My tuppence worth for what it's worth to anyone from FU looking in (probably not a lot,but I'll give it anyway if anyone's interested).

I didn't agree with the timing of the protest during such an important match for the club BUT i do fundamentally agree with the principle for setting-up the organisation.You would be hard pushed to find a Dundee United supporter out there who wants a regime change as much as i,and I've also been as critical of Thompson and his Chairmanship as any other.So in a respect with me you are 'preaching to the converted'.

So it is with dissapointment therefore that i would have to say (at the moment) that i would want nothing to do with the group.

My reason/s?

The reaction to any perceived criticism of the Group and/or disagreement about their protest has been met with (at best) indifference and (at worst) out and out hostility towards fellow supporters by some FU members.I am talking about primarily on Twitter.I am not a Facebook user but can hazard a guess that it's the same on there.

This is not the way to win folk over guys.Infact what it might even end up doing is make people who support Thompson even more entrenched in their view.

Instead why not offer a conciliatory tone towards anyone who disagrees?For instance if someone were to say 'i don't agree with you guys protesting during a big game' the response could so easily be 'sorry to hear you disagree but could i tell you a bit more about why we feel this is quite so necessary in private?I can also send you a link to our site which would tell you more about our future plans etc'.It's really that easy and this approach would mean that even if someone doesn't agree with the groups methods initially their support isn't lost to you completely which it certainly will be if you reply with indifference or worse,hostility.

I do think this group has been set-up for the right reasons and there is nothing at all wrong with that statement of bullet-points AP posted above.I particulary am pleased to see the confession that FU 'don't have all the answers' (this type of contrition and honesty is a start).

But for me what they are saying in their statements of intent and how some of their members are behaving towards fellow supporters is totally at odds with one an other and at the moment is making a bit of a mockery of the misnomer 'Fans United'.

I hope people reading this from FU take this more as friendly advice rather than an attack.Because as i say,i believe in the fundamental reasons the group was set-up for.

But a new approach has to be taken here Gentlemen if you want to win fans round to your cause.We have a modest support and if only 6,000 are utterly divided then i fear your venture is doomed to failure before it has a chance to properly take off.

A bit more openess and (a lot more) friendliness would be a good start imho.

If i were to see that then i would be more inclined to give my support and ideas to the cause.

Should go on the FB page mate, one big happy family. How many have been hostile towards you??

Tek · 13/3/2017 12:13 am

HeggyHandshake wrote:
Tek wrote:
My tuppence worth for what it's worth to anyone from FU looking in (probably not a lot,but I'll give it anyway if anyone's interested).

I didn't agree with the timing of the protest during such an important match for the club BUT i do fundamentally agree with the principle for setting-up the organisation.You would be hard pushed to find a Dundee United supporter out there who wants a regime change as much as i,and I've also been as critical of Thompson and his Chairmanship as any other.So in a respect with me you are 'preaching to the converted'.

So it is with dissapointment therefore that i would have to say (at the moment) that i would want nothing to do with the group.

My reason/s?

The reaction to any perceived criticism of the Group and/or disagreement about their protest has been met with (at best) indifference and (at worst) out and out hostility towards fellow supporters by some FU members.I am talking about primarily on Twitter.I am not a Facebook user but can hazard a guess that it's the same on there.

This is not the way to win folk over guys.Infact what it might even end up doing is make people who support Thompson even more entrenched in their view.

Instead why not offer a conciliatory tone towards anyone who disagrees?For instance if someone were to say 'i don't agree with you guys protesting during a big game' the response could so easily be 'sorry to hear you disagree but could i tell you a bit more about why we feel this is quite so necessary in private?I can also send you a link to our site which would tell you more about our future plans etc'.It's really that easy and this approach would mean that even if someone doesn't agree with the groups methods initially their support isn't lost to you completely which it certainly will be if you reply with indifference or worse,hostility.

I do think this group has been set-up for the right reasons and there is nothing at all wrong with that statement of bullet-points AP posted above.I particulary am pleased to see the confession that FU 'don't have all the answers' (this type of contrition and honesty is a start).

But for me what they are saying in their statements of intent and how some of their members are behaving towards fellow supporters is totally at odds with one an other and at the moment is making a bit of a mockery of the misnomer 'Fans United'.

I hope people reading this from FU take this more as friendly advice rather than an attack.Because as i say,i believe in the fundamental reasons the group was set-up for.

But a new approach has to be taken here Gentlemen if you want to win fans round to your cause.We have a modest support and if only 6,000 are utterly divided then i fear your venture is doomed to failure before it has a chance to properly take off.

A bit more openess and (a lot more) friendliness would be a good start imho.

If i were to see that then i would be more inclined to give my support and ideas to the cause.

Should go on the FB page mate, one big happy family. How many have been hostile towards you??

No-one has been hostile to me but i haven't discussed FU on Twitter since my initial queries were met with a bit of frostiness.

The hostility has taken place though to others.Is this the behaviour that you think will win people round D?

PatReilly · 13/3/2017 12:21 am

HH, everyone isn't on FB, there are older guys like me who abhor that set up (and Twitter).

One important point: no point in being at each other's throats about the situation, I like AP's new 'Polite Kid' approach.

I'm sure there is somebody out there keen to take over the mantle of main owner of the club but equally, I'm sure there are others who will shy away because of the abuse they feel ST has taken.

If there is a potential buyer, it's probably time for him/her to reveal their intentions. Otherwise we'll limp along with the pointless arguments and divisions that are evident in the support right now.

If there is no potential purchaser, which on the surface appears to be the case, well, we're probably fucked.

RRDH · 13/3/2017 12:24 am

Beharder wrote:
Rocky Raccoon wrote:
If everyone never bought season tickets last summer we wouldn't have had money to pay for Toshney and we would be getting more money every second week through pay at the gates, win win IMO.
without the guaranteed income we would not have been able to commit to Bell Andreu Edge ect and would be fighting relegation lose lose in my book

It's not "guaranteed" fucking income though is it.

Affshore · 13/3/2017 1:37 am

HeggyHandshake wrote:
Tangy wrote:
Was reading mad just there and it looks like feck you are going to promote the idea that people don't buy season tickets?

Is this correct? A club which you say is financially on its knees and you want to starve it of its biggest source of income?

Can any feck you members tell me what the projected outcome of this is?

From my point of view, if fans withdraw financial support, it will drive the club towards administration or as has been said by some on this forum previously, directly to liquidation.

At very best it will limit the players we can sign next season and give us a lesser chance of promotion.

Would love to hear the reasoning behind the move - if this is a tally going to happen.

EDIT also can I ask - were the mystery feck you-ers part of previous attempts to sabotage events such as the strip release? The one where the club were trying to mix with the public but a threat of protests/banner waving meant it had to be moved to within gussie?

Tangy, this post has an affy wiff of Dundee United employee about it.

100% i have a sneaky suspicion of who it is

Beharder · 13/3/2017 7:31 am

RRDH wrote:
Beharder wrote:
Rocky Raccoon wrote:
If everyone never bought season tickets last summer we wouldn't have had money to pay for Toshney and we would be getting more money every second week through pay at the gates, win win IMO.
without the guaranteed income we would not have been able to commit to Bell Andreu Edge ect and would be fighting relegation lose lose in my book

It's not "guaranteed" fucking income though is it.

More unecessary anger. Once your season ticket is bought your £300 is guaranteed income for the season all the players i mentioned got 1 yr deals on the back of season ticket sales.

Last edited by Beharder (13/3/2017 7:32 am)

Blackiearab · 13/3/2017 8:49 am

Arabplumber can you answer the question I asked, have you had a meeting with the investors sitting on the side lines or are you on a wing and a prayer at the moment. Fans are desperate to get behind a investor or investors, the quicker this becomes known the quicker the protests will gather pace and momentum, carrying on like a secret and selective society wont wash.Also posted on mad

Tangy · 13/3/2017 10:18 am

Love it.

So the aggressiveness is turned down and accusations of working for united and being an insider start.

For the record, I don't and never have worked for the club.

Think my post is quite sensible though... although since posting, you have said FU aren't encouraging people to withdraw financial support, so it's all pretty meaningless.

The admin/liquidation bit has come directly from you lads in other threads as has the financially on our knees bit.

Lastly, you have answered this post but ignored my other one(on another thread, granted) where I've asked you for info to help the general support to rally round the cause. If it's not been made clear, I want change in the club however, it needs people to stand up in public and say what they want to see. It also needs the group to work with potential buyers to see what they can bring to the table.

For instance - an example of 1 question I'd like answered. What does FU want any potential owner to prioritise in the event of a takeover. Reducing debt/losses or improving the playing squad?

Happy to get behind you boys but need much much more info

Morphman · 13/3/2017 11:43 am

Blackiearab wrote:
Arabplumber can you answer the question I asked, have you had a meeting with the investors sitting on the side lines or are you on a wing and a prayer at the moment. Fans are desperate to get behind a investor or investors, the quicker this becomes known the quicker the protests will gather pace and momentum, carrying on like a secret and selective society wont wash.Also posted on mad

Before I say anything I'm not a spokesman for Fans United but:

Nothing wrong with what Plumber posted neither is FU a secret society. Neither is it viable to talk about discussions which have or haven't taken place with investors. As far as I was aware some members had spoken very informally with people with some interest in change at Tannadice.

However, it is not credible or appropriate to post on forums before a meeting has been held between FU members. Remember this has only really kicked off with the protest on friday, and the group has expanded exponentially since. All in good time, facts will be released as soon as they are available.

Last edited by Morphman (13/3/2017 11:44 am)

boabmos · 13/3/2017 12:04 pm

Tek wrote:
My tuppence worth for what it's worth to anyone from FU looking in (probably not a lot,but I'll give it anyway if anyone's interested).

I didn't agree with the timing of the protest during such an important match for the club BUT i do fundamentally agree with the principle for setting-up the organisation.You would be hard pushed to find a Dundee United supporter out there who wants a regime change as much as i,and I've also been as critical of Thompson and his Chairmanship as any other.So in a respect with me you are 'preaching to the converted'.

So it is with dissapointment therefore that i would have to say (at the moment) that i would want nothing to do with the group.

My reason/s?

The reaction to any perceived criticism of the Group and/or disagreement about their protest has been met with (at best) indifference and (at worst) out and out hostility towards fellow supporters by some FU members.I am talking about primarily on Twitter.I am not a Facebook user but can hazard a guess that it's the same on there.

This is not the way to win folk over guys.Infact what it might even end up doing is make people who support Thompson even more entrenched in their view.

Instead why not offer a conciliatory tone towards anyone who disagrees?For instance if someone were to say 'i don't agree with you guys protesting during a big game' the response could so easily be 'sorry to hear you disagree but could i tell you a bit more about why we feel this is quite so necessary in private?I can also send you a link to our site which would tell you more about our future plans etc'.

It's really that easy and this approach would mean that even if someone doesn't agree with the groups methods initially their support isn't lost to you completely which it certainly will be if you reply with indifference or worse,hostility.

I do think this group has been set-up for the right reasons and there is nothing at all wrong with that statement of bullet-points AP posted above.I particulary am pleased to see the confession that FU 'don't have all the answers' (this type of contrition and honesty is a start).

But for me what they are saying in their statements of intent and how some of their members are behaving towards fellow supporters is totally at odds with one an other and at the moment is making a bit of a mockery of the misnomer 'Fans United'.

I hope people reading this from FU take this more as friendly advice rather than an attack.Because as i say,i believe in the fundamental reasons the group was set-up for.

But a new approach has to be taken here Gentlemen if you want to win fans round to your cause.We have a modest support and if our core base of 6,000 are utterly divided then i fear your venture is doomed to failure before it has a chance to properly take off.

A bit more openess and (a lot more) friendliness would be a good start imho.

If i were to see that then i would be more inclined to give my support and ideas to the cause.

100 percent agree with this. Already been unfollowed on Twitter by a few FU supporters because I openly said I didn't agree with it at such a big game. Not that that kind of thing overly bothers me but...c'mon to f**K?

PatReilly · 13/3/2017 12:57 pm

Twitter

Here's where we appear to be.

Almost all supporters want a change at board level.

The guys pushing for change the most don't want to reveal any backers (financial) they may have until they have met and formally discussed this.

Generally communication between supporters with differing viewpoints, or even those seeking clarification has been via social media.

The board themselves are staying silent.

So, presently, we are in a form of limbo.

Blackiearab · 13/3/2017 7:31 pm

arabplumber I have asked you the same question twice here it is again.Have you had a meeting with the investors sitting on the side lines or are you on a wing and a prayer at the moment. Fans are desperate to get behind a investor or investors, the quicker this becomes known the quicker the protests will gather pace and momentum, carrying on like a secret and selective society wont wash.
Others are answering by side tracking the answer,all we are looking for is some clarity and if you have any backer on board,you should be giving the fans as much answers and being as truthful as possible.