Arab_plumber wrote:

Whether people agree on the timing we agreed to start the ball rolling on friday and its going ahead.

Thompson has to leave ASAP of that there is no debate, he's had enough time to sort things out but its crystal clear we're losing a ridiculous amount of money every week with no plan to stop this other than Andy Robertson being sold on.

Our club is on the brink so if you really care look into fans united and find out what we're about rather than getting anti us.

We want to put money into the club and assist any buyers taking over from Thompson.

 
The tone of this is dictatorial, uncompromising, poorly thought out, rash and amateur!
Utd fans, investors, businessmen will run a mile from a group that puts shining a spotlight on themselves over the best actions for the team. Their first piece of PR could be contributing to a dufc defeat in their most important game of the season!
Incredible that this isn't so obviously a terrible idea to this group of fans.
We need change - we need protest - we need a group to represent the fans.
But I won't back any group that lacks basic common sense

Canadian Arab wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

Ffs the club had to get a loan to survive the rest of the season. If that's not on the brink I'd hate to think what is.

So I've read comments from others who have said that despite how this loan makes things appear, the financial situation is not nearly as bad as you are making out, and we're nowhere near administration or anything like that.

The points they made seemed fair enough to me.

You might be right about the finances. Maybe it is this bad. Or maybe you're not. Maybe there isn't a huge problem. Maybe it's even worse. Maybe things are bad and the only reason we're still afloat is because Thompson keeps putting more money of his own in.

I have no idea. And I doubt that any of these protesters have all the details either.

Thompson keeps putting more money of his own in.
Hold on I've just pished my pants laughing. 😂😂😂
 

Canadian Arab wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

Hold on I've just pished my pants laughing. 😂😂😂 

If you had read my comment more carefully, maybe you wouldn't be sitting in front of your laptop in wet pants.

I read it fine thanks
 

lifesanocean wrote:

TheShed wrote:

Arabnophobia wrote:

 
I was there bud. Getting 1500-2000 together worked as I remember. Maybe need something similar in future to bring fans together and perhaps vote on the best way forward.

Nae offence to all Internet forum readers but the true opinion of the support is massively skewed online by a few maniacs more concerned about their own opinion than what's best for the Club.

 
Nobody who's protesting is doing so for any other reason than they're passion for the club. Nobody wants this but what are the options?

Orgainsing a meeting somewhere in a public place like the University grouds or the Caird Hall and putting forward:

a) what you are unhappy about

b) what you know about the state of the club (instead of all this cloak and dagger in-the-know shit that has been posted on forums for the past 2 years)

c) your ideas for how to remove ST

d) your ideas about how the club should be run/how investment will be secured

e) answering questions about your ideas without giving them shit because you are face to face rather than hiding behind a keyboard

f) allowing people to offer suggestions about the way forward

e) allowing people to vote on the way forward

f) inviting the media there to cover it

g) requesting the media actually start asking ST some probing questions and if not

h) start actually putting out proper, professional press statements yourselves that don't look like they've been written after a dozen bottles of Stella.

 

I'm nothing to do with this group btw, I knew of their existence and I've had a few convos recently with 2 guys I believe are involved, but from the little I know a few of those points have been tried at least.  I'm not gonna state the case for the group and how they've gone about things, but it's very early days for the group and you can't go public until you have something to go public with.  I mean by that they surely had to get themselves in sort sort of organised format before they tried to get the mass audience.

My personal view, that's all it is, is that protests should have happened long ago, and now that they are they'll have my full support, whenever they are. 

The protests aren't about promotion or a shit run of results - they are about the very existence of the club, which is in very real danger.

Canadian Arab wrote:

TheShed wrote:

It is very bad, we were days from running out of money, the money in isn't coming from Thompson. After the summer who knows what happens, but if anything is going to happen then change will have to happen in some way.

That isn't my opinion that is from info received from the 1 man who would know how bad things are.

"Significant doubt about the companies ability to continue as a going concern". Does that quote from the accounts sound good to anyone?

If that's correct then it does not sound good. I agree 100%, and something would need to be done urgently. There are other folk who also say their source is legit who disagree with that.

I don't have any sources. I just hear all these conflicting statements and I seem to be one of the few folk without any inside knowledge that helps me decide who is right and who is wrong. So I genuinely have no idea. As a result, I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and assume that everything is hunky dory, but neither would I join in a protest against the Chairman during an important game.

 
My info didn't come from a 'source' unfortunately.

Eddie wouldn't have allowed this to happen.

Who's to say the person Fans United want in won't turn out to make a chunt of it like ST has?

Dundee had fan ownership, had Dave McKinnon as Chief Executive, started living within their means and as a result couldn't get out of the Division we are in right now.  The same fans who demanded fan ownership then hounded out the fan ownership and Chief Executive and then dropped their drawers to the first shyster who came along (Melville) promising to be the Man City of the North.  The bully boy who was behind this got his feet under the boardroom table though. 6 months (and a failed 1/2 million bid for Scott Robertson) later they were in admin 2.

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If the attitudes of those in support/part of the group on here are anything to go by then people are warranted to be sceptical. Questions haven't been answered and the first time people are hearing about the group they are arranging a protest (which by the opinion on this and other boards most fans are against)
I'll say it again not a good start.
I was merely stating previously that UFC were well organised. Nobody could have know that getting Eddie Thompson/ the Thompson family in would end up like this. But you taking that as the only thing from the UFC comment just shows the mentality

Dirk Diggler wrote:

If the attitudes of those in support/part of the group on here are anything to go by then people are warranted to be sceptical. Questions haven't been answered and the first time people are hearing about the group they are arranging a protest (which by the opinion on this and other boards most fans are against)
I'll say it again not a good start.
I was merely stating previously that UFC were well organised. Nobody could have know that getting Eddie Thompson/ the Thompson family in would end up like this. But you taking that as the only thing from the UFC comment just shows the mentality

Exactly.
 

scarpia wrote:

TheShed wrote:

Canadian Arab wrote:

So I've read comments from others who have said that despite how this loan makes things appear, the financial situation is not nearly as bad as you are making out, and we're nowhere near administration or anything like that.

The points they made seemed fair enough to me.

You might be right about the finances. Maybe it is this bad. Or maybe you're not. Maybe there isn't a huge problem. Maybe it's even worse. Maybe things are bad and the only reason we're still afloat is because Thompson keeps putting more money of his own in.

I have no idea. And I doubt that any of these protesters have all the details either.

 
It is very bad, we were days from running out of money, the money in isn't coming from Thompson.  After the summer who knows what happens, but if anything is going to happen then change will have to happen in some way. 

That isn't my opinion that is from info received from the 1 man who would know how bad things are. 

"Significant doubt about the companies ability to continue as a going concern". Does that quote from the accounts sound good to anyone?

I'm a little puzzled by the whole loan thing.

How much? Who provided the loan?
Is there any hard evidence that the loan exists?
 

Colin Stewart told the fed at a meeting a few weeks ago that money had been secured to see out the season. 
 

PatReilly wrote:

scarpia wrote:

 
I'm a little puzzled by the whole loan thing.

How much? Who provided the loan?
Is there any hard evidence that the loan exists?
 

​The loan of £200,000 appears common knowledge, but I've no hard evidence.

​Also, with no hard evidence, £200,000 wouldn't be anywhere near enough for us to see out the season from January. 5 months wages for Tannadice employees would come to far more than that, without the other running costs. With 44 employees, that would mean we are paying an average of just over £200 a week.

​But like I say, I've no hard evidence, and would welcome any definitive detail of our financial woes.

For example................

TheShed wrote:

 
"Significant doubt about the companies ability to continue as a going concern". Does that quote from the accounts sound good to anyone?

​Can you point me towards where that quote from the accounts is shown, TheShed?
 

 

Likewise can't provide evidence, also heard and this isn't certain, it came from a 'source', that another larger 6 figure sum which was due out was delayed in payment and the combination of that and the loan along with the start of season ticket money coming in will see us to the end of May.

If I knew how to post pics I'd post the page up...

PatReilly wrote:

scarpia wrote:

 
I'm a little puzzled by the whole loan thing.

How much? Who provided the loan?
Is there any hard evidence that the loan exists?
 

​The loan of £200,000 appears common knowledge, but I've no hard evidence.

​Also, with no hard evidence, £200,000 wouldn't be anywhere near enough for us to see out the season from January. 5 months wages for Tannadice employees would come to far more than that, without the other running costs. With 44 employees, that would mean we are paying an average of just over £200 a week.

​But like I say, I've no hard evidence, and would welcome any definitive detail of our financial woes.

For example................

TheShed wrote:

 
"Significant doubt about the companies ability to continue as a going concern". Does that quote from the accounts sound good to anyone?

​Can you point me towards where that quote from the accounts is shown, TheShed?
 

Season tickets are away to come out in next few weeks that'll bring money in.

If you go to companies house you will see it in the last accounts. Under the independent auditors section. There in black and white.
 

​From a copy of the 2014-15 accounts: the words are there, but the context doesn't cause alarm, as this same type of comment will be in almost every football club's accounts throughout Scotland.

Perhaps someone with a better grasp of accounting could provide a more accurate opinion?

PatReilly wrote:

​From a copy of the 2014-15 accounts: the words are there, but the context doesn't cause alarm, as this same type of comment will be in almost every football club's accounts throughout Scotland.

Perhaps someone with a better grasp of accounting could provide a more accurate opinion?

 Your right Pat that could appear in almost any Scottish clubs the auditors have to cover their arse. a little knowledge is dangerous

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