Tangy wrote:

That ST wants to remain as major shareholder and chairman? Personally I don't. I think he is sick to the back teeth of it. I think he is fed up of the abuse. I think he is fed up of having been turned on for making decisions he thought were right at the time.

The question I have is : who out there wants to buy into a football club and not just any football club one which is leaking money (according to some on here - and I guess the accounts go some way to proving that). 1 where the fans are on the verge of revolt. I'm not talking about a mad Vlad type character - im talking about somebody who has the desire and cash to seal the holes in our ship and to invest to make us stronger? Can't be many out there.

It occurred to me today that ST is getting a slagging from our support for a) running the club at a loss and b) not throwing money at players... Tough gig...thank christ it's not me

 I would concur with that Tangy particularly the last sentence. Being a Chairman of a Scottish club is becoming the impossible job.
 

PatReilly wrote:

I think ST is about at the same level of frustration as us, for different reasons of course.

He wants out, but wants what he thinks is a fair price for his possession. It's too simplistic saying ST should sell up and fuck off: if you had a car you were selling for £5000, you wouldn't want to accept £2000. The thing is, I doubt he has any thoughts or even qualifications for what he may wish to do if and when he does go.

We want new investment, which he can't/won't provide, and to be fair to him in some ways, he'd probably given too much backing to the previous two dud managers. But he's stuck with the dilemma of his possession becoming less valuable.

Our dilemma is that we see no other investor on the horizon. And if we starve the club (his possession) of cash, then although he might think again about lowering his price, we might end up in the doldrums for years. Especially if the person who takes over turns out to be a charlatan, which very often happens at football clubs.

So while I have the same exasperation and weariness of many on here, I'm fearful of who could potentially come in to take over, and what the motivations of that person might be.

 

Good thoughts as ever Pat, well posted.
 

smedDUm wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

I think ST is about at the same level of frustration as us, for different reasons of course.

He wants out, but wants what he thinks is a fair price for his possession. It's too simplistic saying ST should sell up and fuck off: if you had a car you were selling for £5000, you wouldn't want to accept £2000. The thing is, I doubt he has any thoughts or even qualifications for what he may wish to do if and when he does go.

We want new investment, which he can't/won't provide, and to be fair to him in some ways, he'd probably given too much backing to the previous two dud managers. But he's stuck with the dilemma of his possession becoming less valuable.

Our dilemma is that we see no other investor on the horizon. And if we starve the club (his possession) of cash, then although he might think again about lowering his price, we might end up in the doldrums for years. Especially if the person who takes over turns out to be a charlatan, which very often happens at football clubs.

So while I have the same exasperation and weariness of many on here, I'm fearful of who could potentially come in to take over, and what the motivations of that person might be.

 

Good thoughts as ever Pat, well posted.
 

Agree wholeheartedly with both.  Interesting to hear on Sportsound, last week, someone saying that ST was getting a hard time from supporters now and a couple of years ago he was getting praised. Being chairman of a Scottish club certainly is a hard gig. Sure he's caused a pile of the complaints, BUT, some correspondents on the boards do need to be careful what they wish for.

 

Arab_plumber wrote:

Thompson has brought all the abuse and criticism on himself with his many catastrophically bad decisions,his sulking and lack of communication with the fans.
If you act like that how can you expect to be popular?

He came out with the statement in the summer about repairing the damage he'd caused.....still waiting for this happening


All that's happened since we've been relegated is the fans have poured money in but nothing from him personally or the fabled investment he went looking for after the Derby defeat

His time is well and truly up

 
Just playing devil's advocate Mr plumber.... do you think Eddie Thompson was a far better chairman? Eddie, was great - he was the real fan - it was he who dreamed of owning united - would ST have done the same if he were in Eddie's shoes? Possibly not.

However - it was also Eddie who increased the clubs debts to around double (all estimates - 4m after mclean reign, 8m after ET?). He chased a dream and ultimately we were scuppered by debt.

ST has made some monumental fock ups - but he's a guy who has kept the club going on more than 1 occasion with loans etc

Can I ask what your realistic vision for the future is, please?

Thompson to sell, presumably. Are there people with appropriate appetite to buy the club, clear the debt and invest in the squad? Even if the Thompson family sold up for 2m - thats probably another 2m to cover debts and investment in players another couple of million? Fees/wages. That's before we look at the coaching and facilities side of things.

The only person I know of who would be remotely interested is GA engineering but he's already stated he has no interest in the job.

I think or best chance is a zippy/Lorraine kelly / Ricky ross consortium?

played4won4 wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

I think ST is about at the same level of frustration as us, for different reasons of course.

He wants out, but wants what he thinks is a fair price for his possession. It's too simplistic saying ST should sell up and fuck off: if you had a car you were selling for £5000, you wouldn't want to accept £2000. The thing is, I doubt he has any thoughts or even qualifications for what he may wish to do if and when he does go.

We want new investment, which he can't/won't provide, and to be fair to him in some ways, he'd probably given too much backing to the previous two dud managers. But he's stuck with the dilemma of his possession becoming less valuable.

Our dilemma is that we see no other investor on the horizon. And if we starve the club (his possession) of cash, then although he might think again about lowering his price, we might end up in the doldrums for years. Especially if the person who takes over turns out to be a charlatan, which very often happens at football clubs.

So while I have the same exasperation and weariness of many on here, I'm fearful of who could potentially come in to take over, and what the motivations of that person might be.

 

Good thoughts as ever Pat, well posted.
 

some correspondents on the boards do need to be careful what they wish for.

 

Canadian Arab wrote:

I believe he wants out. If I was in his position, I would want out. I also wouldn't be spending any more of my cash on keeping the team going in the face of regular abuse from a good-sized chunk of the United support. I wouldn't be explaining myself to them or offering to sit down with them and answer their questions. I'd say "fuck them". It's human nature.

He has a car worth £5000. He only drives it occasionally and he shares it with a bunch of other people. He puts in $500 every month just to keep the thing running. All the other folk who drive it chip in with £200. But they moan at him constantly and demand he puts in an extra £500 every month, because they want to drive a nicer car. He's desperate to sell the thing, just so he doesn't have to deal with the other drivers. All he wants is £2000 but nobody is even offering him £1000 for it. So he's screwed, and all the other drivers are left driving a shitty car.

Then one day the other drivers have an epiphany and figure out that if they approach him in a less confrontational manner to talk through what might be done, so they can all keep driving a reasonable car that isn't costing an arm and a leg every month to keep on the road, then they might actually get him to sit down and talk and move things forward.

If I had a car that I thought was worth £5000, but wanted rid of it, i'd certainly take £2000.

Especially if the car was handed to me in a will, i'd replaced all the important parts with cheaper options and it's very likely to fail it's next MoT.

PatReilly wrote:

We want new investment, which he can't/won't provide, and to be fair to him in some ways, he'd probably given too much backing to the previous two dud managers. 
 

Good post but this in particular rings true.  I've a degree of sympathy in that regard.  Jackie and the other two cunts pulled a fast one on the chairman and the club as a whole.  Yeah the chairman was complicit in all of it but for fuck sake the 3 of them done a fucking number on us.  Took advantage of a naive chairman and weren't giving two shits what happened to us.  No fucking way on earth we should have been doling out percentages of players sales which we've cultivated on that cunt.

Ultimately ST to blame as with any organization but honest to fuck I've more contempt for them than anyone. Scumbags like.

HeggyHandshake wrote:

 
 Thompson went to them with the offer of a cut of transfers and an increase in wages. There was absolutely no need for it and Jackie Mac was shocked when he got got the offer. A 100%
Complete fuk up from the Chairman.

Water under the bridge if that's the case, surely, HH: but how could you possibly think that's true? 
 

Nobody would go in with such a strong hand, surely.

Negotiations would start with his pt wage + a percentage, no?

Either way a bad bit of business - especially when you consider how much of transfer fees is nicked by agents and the players themselves.

Spot on pat
whether it happened or not its gone its in the past. What matters is what happens now
time to move on

PatReilly wrote:

HeggyHandshake wrote:

 
 Thompson went to them with the offer of a cut of transfers and an increase in wages. There was absolutely no need for it and Jackie Mac was shocked when he got got the offer. A 100%
Complete fuk up from the Chairman.

Water under the bridge if that's the case, surely, HH: but how could you possibly think that's true? 
 

 
One of my best pals works with the Patrick Thistle chairman, he was the first person Jackie spoke too, he immediately advised him to bite his hand off.