Fed guys you're wasting your time on here 

heads in the sand dusc 

Affshore wrote:

Fed guys you're wasting your time on here 

heads in the sand dusc 

 
Don't try and start a siege mentality, them v us, Fed guys v everyone else on here.

Its narrow minded and just wrong.

I don't have anything against the Fed, and I don't really know who is all in the Fed on here, barring a 3 or 4, or anyone else who is involved in any other associations. Nor do I care.

I take each person on face value and what they contribute to the forum, no matter if I agree with them or not.

If you don't like this forum, then I would suggest you can take a leaf out of Tek's book and start your own.

Too many people think in absolute terms.  "Us and them," "black and white."  There are shades of grey in all of this and differing levels of discontent.  Personally, I want ST to go but want to see a viable alternative in his place.  I am not going to spend my whole time on a forum having a go at anyone who disagrees with me.  I just want to go to the game, have a few pints and see us win and ideally, play some good football.  Life goes on though if that doesn't happen. 

I expected us to lose on Saturday so it never put me that up nor down because a) they play in a higher league than us b) they'd signed a few decent players in the window and clearly had got a boost and, c) we're low on confidence and not playing well.  The manner of it was very poor granted but, our lack of cutting edge and depth on the bench at 4-2 down was what cost us any chance of getting back into the game.  When Spittal is your best option on the bench you really need to get reinforcements in.  I do feel for the boys who trailed up there though but must ask if anyone really expected us to go up there and get a result?  A month ago I would've said yes, but we've tailed off massively since then.

I can't be arsed with meltdowns every week tbh.  I will be annoyed if we fail to sign a winger this week having seen Thomas sign for QotS on loan, Aird sign for Falkirk and O'Brien sign for Ross County all of whom are wingers and for me, would've done a good job for us.  Ray keeps trotting out the excuse that this is a bad window to get players in.  Either he doesn't rate these guys mentioned above, he's got poor contacts, he's looking in the wrong places (i.e. abroad), he's too picky in wanting to get the 'right man' or he's not being backed from above.  I think it's a bit of all of the above but Ray and ST will be to blame.

Last edited by lifesanocean (24/1/2017 1:04 pm)

blackandtangerine wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

Too many people think in absolute terms.  "Us and them," "black and white."  There are shades of grey in all of this and differing levels of discontent.  Personally, I want ST to go but want to see a viable alternative in his place.  I am not going to spend my whole time on a forum having a go at anyone who disagrees with me.  I just want to go to the game, have a few pints and see us win and ideally, play some good football.  Life goes on though if that doesn't happen. 

I expected us to lose on Saturday so it never put me that up nor down because a) they play in a higher league than us b) they'd signed a few decent players in the window and clearly had got a boost and, c) we're low on confidence and not playing well.  The manner of it was very poor granted but, our lack of cutting edge and depth on the bench at 4-2 down was what cost us any chance of getting back into the game.  When Spittal is your best option on the bench you really need to get reinforcements in.  I do feel for the boys who trailed up there though but must ask if anyone really expected us to go up there and get a result?  A month ago I would've said yes, but we've tailed off massively since then.

I can't be arsed with meltdowns every week tbh.  I will be annoyed if we fail to sign a winger this week having seen Thomas sign for QotS on loan, Aird sign for Falkirk and O'Brien sign for Ross County all of whom are wingers and for me, would've done a good job for us.  Ray keeps trotting out the excuse that this is a bad window to get players in.  Either he doesn't rate these guys mentioned above, he's got poor contacts, he's looking in the wrong places (i.e. abroad), he's too picky in wanting to get the 'right man' or he's not being backed from above.  I think it's a bit of all of the above but Ray and ST will be to blame.

I think he's not being backed but, take a deep breath here,I don't blame the board here.
Mckinnon got a budget in summer and overspent on it. maybe the board either have no money or they don't trust the manager. Possibly that's why spence and Stewart said at fed meeting it would be one out then one in.
 

True and I think that the past few weeks have meant the board are hedging their bets.  I don't doubt that we are making offers for players but suspect the wages we are offering aren't great and players are getting better offers elsewhere.
 

lifesanocean wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

Too many people think in absolute terms.  "Us and them," "black and white."  There are shades of grey in all of this and differing levels of discontent.  Personally, I want ST to go but want to see a viable alternative in his place.  I am not going to spend my whole time on a forum having a go at anyone who disagrees with me.  I just want to go to the game, have a few pints and see us win and ideally, play some good football.  Life goes on though if that doesn't happen. 

I expected us to lose on Saturday so it never put me that up nor down because a) they play in a higher league than us b) they'd signed a few decent players in the window and clearly had got a boost and, c) we're low on confidence and not playing well.  The manner of it was very poor granted but, our lack of cutting edge and depth on the bench at 4-2 down was what cost us any chance of getting back into the game.  When Spittal is your best option on the bench you really need to get reinforcements in.  I do feel for the boys who trailed up there though but must ask if anyone really expected us to go up there and get a result?  A month ago I would've said yes, but we've tailed off massively since then.

I can't be arsed with meltdowns every week tbh.  I will be annoyed if we fail to sign a winger this week having seen Thomas sign for QotS on loan, Aird sign for Falkirk and O'Brien sign for Ross County all of whom are wingers and for me, would've done a good job for us.  Ray keeps trotting out the excuse that this is a bad window to get players in.  Either he doesn't rate these guys mentioned above, he's got poor contacts, he's looking in the wrong places (i.e. abroad), he's too picky in wanting to get the 'right man' or he's not being backed from above.  I think it's a bit of all of the above but Ray and ST will be to blame.

I think he's not being backed but, take a deep breath here,I don't blame the board here.
Mckinnon got a budget in summer and overspent on it. maybe the board either have no money or they don't trust the manager. Possibly that's why spence and Stewart said at fed meeting it would be one out then one in.
 

True and I think that the past few weeks have meant the board are hedging their bets.  I don't doubt that we are making offers for players but suspect the wages we are offering aren't great and players are getting better offers elsewhere.
 

That, plus just because we want a player it doesn't mean we'll get him. I imagine we made bids for both Ciftci and GMS but if either Celtic or the player doesn't want to come, what can Utd do?

The other thing to be mindful of is that while people on social media come out and say 'Well if we weren't going to sign these guys we shouldn't have brought it up in the media", we're now in a situation - as I'm sure everyone knows - where the newspapers get their news from guys offering inside gossip on forums. GMS, Bikey and now Robertson have been reported as 'exclusives' in the Sun and other rags days after it's been discussed here.

Foo Kin Twat wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

Too many people think in absolute terms.  "Us and them," "black and white."  There are shades of grey in all of this and differing levels of discontent.  Personally, I want ST to go but want to see a viable alternative in his place.  I am not going to spend my whole time on a forum having a go at anyone who disagrees with me.  I just want to go to the game, have a few pints and see us win and ideally, play some good football.  Life goes on though if that doesn't happen. 

I expected us to lose on Saturday so it never put me that up nor down because a) they play in a higher league than us b) they'd signed a few decent players in the window and clearly had got a boost and, c) we're low on confidence and not playing well.  The manner of it was very poor granted but, our lack of cutting edge and depth on the bench at 4-2 down was what cost us any chance of getting back into the game.  When Spittal is your best option on the bench you really need to get reinforcements in.  I do feel for the boys who trailed up there though but must ask if anyone really expected us to go up there and get a result?  A month ago I would've said yes, but we've tailed off massively since then.

I can't be arsed with meltdowns every week tbh.  I will be annoyed if we fail to sign a winger this week having seen Thomas sign for QotS on loan, Aird sign for Falkirk and O'Brien sign for Ross County all of whom are wingers and for me, would've done a good job for us.  Ray keeps trotting out the excuse that this is a bad window to get players in.  Either he doesn't rate these guys mentioned above, he's got poor contacts, he's looking in the wrong places (i.e. abroad), he's too picky in wanting to get the 'right man' or he's not being backed from above.  I think it's a bit of all of the above but Ray and ST will be to blame.

I think he's not being backed but, take a deep breath here,I don't blame the board here. 
Mckinnon got a budget in summer and overspent on it. maybe the board either have no money or they don't trust the manager.  Possibly that's why spence and Stewart said at fed meeting it would be one out then one in.
 

Quality post LaO.  I went on Saturday with only hope of pulling off a shock, but with the expectation of having a quality day out with some great United supporting pals (which I had with the exception of between 3pm and 5pm and I sat it out until the 6th went in)!!!

B&T, every manager would overspend if given half a chance.  RM has been backed (albeit with a Championship budget) just as Sackie and Mixup were backed, so player recruitment is down to RM.  He's no different to any other Manager, in that you get some right, you get some wrong.  I'm more frustrated by our tactics if I'm honest.

I know for a fact that you have a valid point about events of 2 years ago, but that's where the Fed went "wrong" recently in my eyes (as a non Fed, non ArabTrust, fully paid up, head in the sand DUSC Member).  What's done is done.  We are where we are and looking back is not going to do us any favours.  There were some decent points to be fair in some of the questions, but they were lost in the entire ramble of it and its sinister undertones; and then there was the timing aspect of it???  Even if submitted in mid December, we were still unbeaten then, so the timing and tone was all wrong (IMO) as it was too confrontational!!!

I'd wager that RM's remit this season was to contest the final play off game.  And presently we are still on course to do that.  But the next week will determine whether we want to merely contest it; or look to actually win it............over to you Mr Thompson!!!




 

The wording of it I agree was wrong, the timing I'll disagree with.  The meeting was due to take place last Thursday.  We had to let our members know what was or wasn't happening.
What's done is done yeah, all fine, but we're worried about our future.  That's our concern.  When you get told things from people who are paid by the club then I think we've a right to question these things.  Thompson could have told us some answers to some of the questions and it may or may not have allayed any fears but it would have been better to meet than shove us out the way. 

 

Fair enough re the timing B&T, I accept that.  Hopefully the Fed etc will see then that they maybe need to adopt a softer and smarter approach.  We are all hurting though and the Fed etc do not have exclusive rights to be hurting more than the rest of us that follow United.

One thing people need to remember regarding the questions put to the club from the fed.

None of the questions came from a fed committee member. Each question was from paid up member clubs members who all got asked for questions they would like put to the club.

Arabnophobia wrote:

bowers wrote:

One thing people need to remember regarding the questions put to the club from the fed.

None of the questions came from a fed committee member. Each question was from paid up member clubs members who all got asked for questions they would like put to the club.

 
Will they only commit to answering questions that are known in advance? Do they ever answer questions thrown in on the day?

 

They wanted the questions in for a certain date in december which they got sent to club on time.

Fed asked if follow up questions would be allowed to the answers on the night. That is when they pulled the plug.

Arabnophobia wrote:

bowers wrote:

Arabnophobia wrote:

 
Will they only commit to answering questions that are known in advance? Do they ever answer questions thrown in on the day?

 

They wanted the questions in for a certain date in december which they got sent to club on time.

Fed asked if follow up questions would be allowed to the answers on the night. That is when they pulled the plug.

Some of the questions were more confrontational than easily answered or not what they'd want.

Understand you want to/need to represent the fans who pay FED membership and their wages to follow the team but how you get ST  to agree a meeting has to be more diplomatic, like it or lump it.

We all want answers and all are not on one side or the other, especially on this forum bud.

Totally get how frustrating it is when you fkn know the score and there is a delay in folk believing you but it's important that you get to a point of being able to ask questions for us all.

If the fans Unite to tackle those who run the club it will be better done tactfully without assuming any opposite opinion comes from loving ST.

How do we achieve that?






 

Just to clarify Thompson agreed to the meeting.  After the questions were in there was still no inkling of him cancelling it. It was when we asked if we could answer follow up questions to the answers we were going to be given that the meeting was cancelled.


 

Tangy wrote:

So he got the feeling it was going to be hijacked??? No surprise really.

Siftly softly catchy monkey

You'd need to ask him that.  personally think he was advised not too.
Remember tho he's pulled out of meetings before.  If things aren't going well he hides.  If going well he's everywhere.
 

Tangy wrote:

Affshore wrote:

Fed guys you're wasting your time on here 

heads in the sand dusc 

 
Just because some don't agree with your points doesn't make them wrong...

FACT. oh aye - thats not a fact, it is also an opinion

Points? Facts? Opinions? These were the guys who met ST every other week, these are the guys that sat in meetings in the board rooms and listened to what was said, how can you not agree with what they say when all they are doing is telling us what the fuck actually happened? Thats why im saying they are wasting theyre time on here, some guys on here chose not to belive so whats the fucking point?