Tangy wrote:

So a question for those who don't agree with my post re: Southern and Spencey... 

Other than the pantomime baddies, who else's wages/responsibilities have you researched and what was your findings? I presume everybody else at the club in a non-playing capacity are deemed to be working hard and worth their money.

2nd question- im not part of the inner circle and haven't seen the results of any investigation into the roles and responsibilities of southern and spence - so could you tell me what they do for their money? 40k has also been bandied about as how much spence has been paid - where did this come from?

I'm all for excessive cost cutting allowing further investment in the playing squad - so convince me they aren't required.

 
Pantomime baddies, haha

I already questioned why every job wasn't looked at.

The reason these 2 get looked at is obvious, Southern does The job ST used to do and is an extra body that doesn't appear to be necessary when ST is still there.  Add in that the position attracts a very healthy wage it's obvious people are going to question the need for him as opposed to a centre forward on the same wage.

Surprisingly Spence gets looked at for similar reasons of being an extra cost that was and is completely unnecessary when there are people already at the club who could have engaged with the support has much Spence has done.  He was full of promises but I can't see that he's done anything but have a couple of q and a's that anyone could organise at the club and argue with fans on twitter.  Where's his battle bus he kept going on about? And why does he only appear when season tickets go on sale?  I've no idea what he's been paid, but whatever it is could have went towards a winger.

My question if Spence is worth a doubling of wages what is it he has done to deserve this?
And If this was a job beyond those employed at Tannadice as u suggest surely that proves the club don't have the right people in the boardroom?

Btw I'm not part of any inner circle, if one exists, not in the Fed or AT never have been, I'm just concerned at the way the club has been run last few years and think every possibe resource should be used to get us back up. I don't believe it is that's all.

FWIW I believe Ray is doing a great job with what he's got, but he's being short changed imo.

Beharder wrote:

This is the kind of response that is more suited to other forums. Abusing posters you dont share your opinion is not what I want to read.

Wheres the abuse? 

Beharder wrote:

As someone who is not against the chairman the footnote in the post is abusing an alternative point of view.

ha ha ha ha fuck off, now theres abuse for you! 

TheShed wrote:

Tangy wrote:

So a question for those who don't agree with my post re: Southern and Spencey...

Other than the pantomime baddies, who else's wages/responsibilities have you researched and what was your findings? I presume everybody else at the club in a non-playing capacity are deemed to be working hard and worth their money.

2nd question- im not part of the inner circle and haven't seen the results of any investigation into the roles and responsibilities of southern and spence - so could you tell me what they do for their money? 40k has also been bandied about as how much spence has been paid - where did this come from?

I'm all for excessive cost cutting allowing further investment in the playing squad - so convince me they aren't required.

 
Pantomime baddies, haha

I already questioned why every job wasn't looked at.

The reason these 2 get looked at is obvious, Southern does The job ST used to do and is an extra body that doesn't appear to be necessary when ST is still there. Add in that the position attracts a very healthy wage it's obvious people are going to question the need for him as opposed to a centre forward on the same wage.

Surprisingly Spence gets looked at for similar reasons of being an extra cost that was and is completely unnecessary when there are people already at the club who could have engaged with the support has much Spence has done. He was full of promises but I can't see that he's done anything but have a couple of q and a's that anyone could organise at the club and argue with fans on twitter. Where's his battle bus he kept going on about? And why does he only appear when season tickets go on sale? I've no idea what he's been paid, but whatever it is could have went towards a winger.

My question if Spence is worth a doubling of wages what is it he has done to deserve this?
And If this was a job beyond those employed at Tannadice as u suggest surely that proves the club don't have the right people in the boardroom?

Btw I'm not part of any inner circle, if one exists, not in the Fed or AT never have been, I'm just concerned at the way the club has been run last few years and think every possibe resource should be used to get us back up. I don't believe it is that's all.

FWIW I believe Ray is doing a great job with what he's got, but he's being short changed imo.

Good post 

Beharder wrote:

Affshore wrote:

Beharder wrote:

As someone who is not against the chairman the footnote in the post is abusing an alternative point of view.

ha ha ha ha fuck off, now theres abuse for you! 

 
Youve got me there. That really hurt my feelings. A bit of counselling and stress management should sèe me ok for Easter Road

Well if my original post was deemed 'abusive' or my 'signature' was abusive then yes, yes, you'll need some counselling, stress management wont be required, just a bit of 'man the fuck up' tablets to take. 

Im shaking that much affshore ive just spilled my chardonnay all over my best flannels these tablets you subscribed will need to be strong

Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Spence will be on absolute sweetie money,  if it's worrying about saving the club money everyone is talking about I'd worry more about giving McKinnon more money to spend.

He tightened up positions we needed but left out a striker, whither it was because nobody he looked at was good enough maybe but that still doesn't hide the fact a club as big as Dundee United only has one striker on its books.

He overloaded the #10 position -

Smith
VdV
Andreu

If business was done with Andreu earlier would the other two even have got a look in at United?

Two wages wasted IMO.

The less said about Tope Obadeyi the better.

Disastrous signing.

70k for Lewis fucking Toshney.

Disastrous signing MkII

Stuart Murdoch looked like a good signing but cannot displace a player who was already here, surely McKinnon should have had a better look at his squad before strengthening positions where is was possibly not needed.

Bell, Flood, Edjenguele have all been fantastic signings, VdS has been good when played in his natural position and not CH where McKinnon actually bought him to play in, thus making the Toshney signing even worse.

Just a wee rant that has been building up over.

Sign a wide player & striker and hopefully never see Donaldson and Toshney in tangerine again and I'll be delighted.

 


Most are in agreement that Ray is at fault for having one striker and too many for other positions balance of squad is not good as has been highlightef many times from posters the past few months. The need for a striker or 2 is that desperate it should have been lined up to go asap from the window opening. Jim Spence and Colin Stewart both said we need to move players before bringing players in so if ray wants to punt boys they should be away now whether thats a mutual termination or not we need things ti happen.

Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Spence will be on absolute sweetie money, if it's worrying about saving the club money everyone is talking about I'd worry more about giving McKinnon more money to spend.

He tightened up positions we needed but left out a striker, whither it was because nobody he looked at was good enough maybe but that still doesn't hide the fact a club as big as Dundee United only has one striker on its books.

He overloaded the #10 position -

Smith
VdV
Andreu

If business was done with Andreu earlier would the other two even have got a look in at United?

Two wages wasted IMO.

The less said about Tope Obadeyi the better.

Disastrous signing.

70k for Lewis fucking Toshney.

Disastrous signing MkII

Stuart Murdoch looked like a good signing but cannot displace a player who was already here, surely McKinnon should have had a better look at his squad before strengthening positions where is was possibly not needed.

Bell, Flood, Edjenguele have all been fantastic signings, VdS has been good when played in his natural position and not CH where McKinnon actually bought him to play in, thus making the Toshney signing even worse.

Just a wee rant that has been building up over.

Sign a wide player & striker and hopefully never see Donaldson and Toshney in tangerine again and I'll be delighted.

Hard to disagree with any of this but what i will say in Rays defence is that he never knew Andreu was gonna become available until after we had secured VdV and Smith. 

The return of Affshore Arab to TT i see 🙈

Beharder wrote:

Tek wrote:

The return of Affshore Arab to TT i see 🙈

 
Hes bullying people TEK

Affshore wrote:

Tangy wrote:

So a question for those who don't agree with my post re: Southern and Spencey...

Other than the pantomime baddies, who else's wages/responsibilities have you researched and what was your findings? I presume everybody else at the club in a non-playing capacity are deemed to be working hard and worth their money.

2nd question- im not part of the inner circle and haven't seen the results of any investigation into the roles and responsibilities of southern and spence - so could you tell me what they do for their money? 40k has also been bandied about as how much spence has been paid - where did this come from?

I'm all for excessive cost cutting allowing further investment in the playing squad - so convince me they aren't required.

The reason Southern and Spence are always brought up is due to the fact these made up positions never existed in our club until recently Tangy so why the need to create them and is it something we really really need? We never ever had a 'general manager' or a 'consultant'. 

No one outwith the club really know what their R's and R's are thats what WE are asking. What do they do? Looks to alot that the wages can be better spent. Do we need these guys in these positions in the championship? 

No one needs to convince you if we need them or not, the majority need convincing as its always brought up on various message boards and social medial and the one person that can tell us what they do is ST, which aint gonna happen sadly....

 
OK dokes. So you don't know what he does but you want rid.

I know where you are coming from but if you wanted the club to cut back to a championship level  operation then there's a he'll of a lot to be cut back. St Andrews would be gone straight off. Development squad decimated.  Coaching staff cut to a minimum and we really struggle to attract big players. You think we'd get tony andreu if we we'd cut the above?

We needed a balance and the chairman hasn't done a bad job in all honesty (though I can see things that could be done better)

With regards to southern position, I don't know either but I'm going to guess that part of his job is to cover the role of spence anderson of secretary? I am not sure the position has been replaced? I'd also guess he is working hard on the business side of things - looking for investment and various money making schemes. For instance, who negotiated the mcewan fraser deal?

The impression I get from many who don't like southern being involved is that they presume he is strutting about tannadice using tenners to light cigars.

Do you know the going rate for the position out of interest?

*note - on companies house, Andrew fraser is the company secretary but I've never heard of him

Last edited by Tangy (03/1/2017 12:06 am)

Tangy.. The club brought in 3 staff to cover spence anderson when he left and southern wasnt one of them if i remember correctly.

The club are tied into a contract at standrews which they seamingly looked at getting out of in the summer im not sure hiw much is spent on it but ive said it for a while we should have a facility in Dundee.

The main problem and has been for a while the money being wasted by the club rather than be reinvested.

Gussie park for instance was the worst one ST wanted thr glory for that

Probably the most important win this season has been Hibs at Tannadice, a six-pointer.
Simon Murray came on for VdV on 68 mins.
On 73 mins we scored the winning goal from a penalty.
The game was going nowhere, they'd missed a penalty and a goalless draw looked likely.
Anyone remember?