Hi Pat, yes I hear exactly what you are saying there I agree with that also.   I think my point is more people saying Si is not good enough and will never make it, he scores goals simple as that and goalscorers are not easy to find these days.   Ideally beside a Jon Daly style player he'd score bucketloads but even without he will still score plenty imo.
 

Some might say you're talking out your beef curtains.  I think you're right though.  He was not signed to be the next Pele, he was signed to hit the back of the net and hassle the opposition defence.  I think his arguing over to take penalties is a bit of a minter.

I like Murray.
I'd like him better as part of a strike partnership though.

His scoring ratio is good. His biggest problem is though, that when he doesn't score, he doesn't contribute much. ( the same abuse that Boyd used to get from the dead club).

His lack of hold up play invites pressure on to our defence. He desperately needs to add this to the game. Telfer is good at it. Runs into the corner, winning petty fouls. Not that big an ask.

Good stuff lads it must be the inferior sites that seem to think as I said. I think Pat nails it though as he simply is not a lone striker, maybe we will get the target man in due course.   Meantime he will still notch goals.

   Macho Man hmmmmmm would that be you Mr Riise ?

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Sorry if I'm labouring the point but what if he doesn't hold the ball up much yet he scores two goals? He harries the defenders, chases them all over the back, keeps the ball in their half, back to the goalie etc. Who is this striker we are looking for anyway, who's good at 'holding the ball up'  that we know? Daly for Russell maybe? If United choose to play with a lone striker it's not his fault. If Boyd was criticised for not holding the ball up he still was an asset to their team, scored a few against us as I recall. Murray with 3 from 5 attacking mids (VdV, Cammy, Andreu, Obadeyi, Fraser) behind him does it for me.

 
Like I say, I like Murray.
The boys comparison was the closest I could think of.
Rangers fans didn't like him as he scored against lesser teams and if he didn't score he didn't contribute.
Boyd didn't contribute through laziness. Murray struggles through nous and sometimes his touch is poor.
Our defence can't cope with constant pressure. We need an outball. That's the biggest criticism off him. I think it's a fair one.
We went 2-0 up against raith but were under the cosh all second half because every time we got the ball up the field it came right back down our throats.
Against Dunfermline, telfer was very good at holding it up and we held out with 10men.
I'm sure Murray is working on it as he seems that type of bloke.
It would be good to have another Ofere type option for when we are ahead or when we need a change of tactics
All I'm my opinion though

He's played in 11 games scoring 6 goals.

Came on as a subbie 3 times.

Lasted 90 mins twice.

Played 716 mins in total which = 7.95 full matches.

That's a goal every 1.3 matches if you gauge it in these terms.

Hard to know if he'll improve much but he is keen as fuck for sure.

Easy to pick holes in his game as he is a very raw talent and doesnae seem the brightest.

I hope to fuck he proves his doubters wrong.

If effort and attidude made great players he would be a guaranteed star but think the missing part of the ginger jigsaw is how much he picks up fae the likes of Andreu, VDV  and Cammy Smith.

I think the improvement in him since he signed has been significant.

When I first seen him play for Utd I honestly felt he wasn't a player at all.

He's obviously worked very hard on his cardio and all-round fitness as he's now proving a very useful weapon to possess in our arsenal.

He has pace,is hungry to do well for himself and is working hard.

He'll do alright for us IMO.

A second striker is the answer........who though is the problem facing Ray. Grateful though that he's not just signed any one just for the sake of having him like last two muppets did. Hopefully patiently still trying to find the right man to put in there with

Simon is however Plan A and Plan B at moment hence so much discussion and perhaps we'll just have to be patient.......hopefully winning like last week though.

Targets like those could win leagues

Wakey wakey gents, Murray playing on his own will not get anything near that amount of goals, unless the manager plays a target man along side him, Daly Esque then we are fucked 

Stayed off this thread before today, but yet again he provided nothing. He's not good enough. You can put all the stats up you want, but reality is he's not good enough for this level never mind premier league.  Arbroath was his level.

Some fans on here want to be positive and quote stats about predicted goal ratios etc blah blah blah
Murray is never ever good enough if we are to escape this shit hole,even if he chips in with a few goals like last week his all round game is sub standard.

I will say it again being a striker is not just about scoring goals, linking the play and ball retention is more important than fluking a goal here and there.