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HeggyHandshake wrote:
The Chairman is trying to cut the wage bill from £1.8 million to £400k. If that doesnt make people sit up and take notice of the shit we are in, then nothing will. We are so fuked here lads.
OK HH if you adopt as many positions as you do, then at some stage you are gonna be right. When we had 51/52 players it was too many for you; and now we are doing what needs to be done, you're not happy with that either???!!! We all get it loud and clear, you hate the Chairman and want him out and without the hate aspect, I'd agree his position is probably borderline untenable. I'm NOT renewing my season ticket next season because of Thompson's decision making and lack of communication. But where are the Tangerine Knights over the horizon to buy the Club if you want all those players we are not renewing to get new contracts with us?
So I'll be the first to call you out with a £100 bet that Dundee United will not be relegated from the Championship next season with our 7-a-side team and no Head Coach. What do you say deal or no deal?
Go and ask yer mate southern for some communication. Sure he'll sit you down at the next home game for an hour or two and tell you what you want to here
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I hear he gives out Blue Peter badges as well.
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HeggyHandshake wrote:
I hear he gives out Blue Peter badges as well.
Gold ones?
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With the amount of dough he's had out of us, probably.
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HeggyHandshake wrote:
I think he will struggle to give it away now.
At this point, I think that's true.
Right now - and don't get me wrong, this is all of his own doing so I'm not defending him - he has to be the bad guy.
He has to be the guy who makes the cuts, who punts players, makes the innocent victims (i.e. the non-footballing staff) redundant, tries to get out of the St. Andrews deal etc.
In a rational world, why would anyone want to be the bad guy instead of him? It is - as you've said on here before - a case of future investors probably waiting on things bottoming out.
But I think that by perhaps letting it be known how shit things are going to get, he's trying to encourage a white knight to step in and save him from being that bad guy.
And that will depend on how rational any potential investors are.
Cos let's be honest, if you're going to throw money down the drain investing in a football club, you're not that rational.
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SGMilne wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
I think he will struggle to give it away now.
At this point, I think that's true.
Right now - and don't get me wrong, this is all of his own doing so I'm not defending him - he has to be the bad guy.
He has to be the guy who makes the cuts, who punts players, makes the innocent victims (i.e. the non-footballing staff) redundant, tries to get out of the St. Andrews deal etc.
In a rational world, why would anyone want to be the bad guy instead of him? It is - as you've said on here before - a case of future investors probably waiting on things bottoming out.
But I think that by perhaps letting it be known how shit things are going to get, he's trying to encourage a white knight to step in and save him from being that bad guy.
And that will depend on how rational any potential investors are.
Cos let's be honest, if you're going to throw money down the drain investing in a football club, you're not that rational.
I 100% agree with this. Said the same on Mad. Who would be daft enough to come in and start doing all the dirty work?? No one. This is going down to the day before Admin, last minute save now.
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HeggyHandshake wrote:
SGMilne wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
I think he will struggle to give it away now.
At this point, I think that's true.
Right now - and don't get me wrong, this is all of his own doing so I'm not defending him - he has to be the bad guy.
He has to be the guy who makes the cuts, who punts players, makes the innocent victims (i.e. the non-footballing staff) redundant, tries to get out of the St. Andrews deal etc.
In a rational world, why would anyone want to be the bad guy instead of him? It is - as you've said on here before - a case of future investors probably waiting on things bottoming out.
But I think that by perhaps letting it be known how shit things are going to get, he's trying to encourage a white knight to step in and save him from being that bad guy.
And that will depend on how rational any potential investors are.
Cos let's be honest, if you're going to throw money down the drain investing in a football club, you're not that rational.I 100% agree with this. Said the same on Mad. Who would be daft enough to come in and start doing all the dirty work?? No one. This is going down to the day before Admin, last minute save now.
Hopefully it is the day before admin and not the day after. Long road ahead I think.
HeggyHandshake wrote:
The Chairman is trying to cut the wage bill from £1.8 million to £400k. If that doesnt make people sit up and take notice of the shit we are in, then nothing will. We are so fuked here lads.
Tbh I'm struggling with the £1.8m (players ?) wage bill.
Our total wage bill to June 2015 was £3.6m and if the players only accounted for half of that then a) I'm astonished
b) our other salaries are wildly out of control.
The latter could be the case (bonuses?) but the 1.8 still looks very low to me.
Sound source (serious question)?
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Whilst not on the same scale remember us being shite under Brewster but he did a lot of dirty work which enabled Levein to take us forward. Wishful thinking but hopefully this is about to happen again.
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A first team player, mate. 4 players alone - 400k
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scarpia wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
The Chairman is trying to cut the wage bill from £1.8 million to £400k. If that doesnt make people sit up and take notice of the shit we are in, then nothing will. We are so fuked here lads.
Tbh I'm struggling with the £1.8m (players ?) wage bill.
Our total wage bill to June 2015 was £3.6m and if the players only accounted for half of that then a) I'm astonished
b) our other salaries are wildly out of control.
The latter could be the case (bonuses?) but the 1.8 still looks very low to me.
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1.8 is quite high. For the 52 players that's an average of about 700 each. Obviously youth team players will be lower and 1St team higher. Positive St johnstone and motherwell wages for playing staff are about 1.1 million
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I'm not sure on the 400k per year, though I'm sure it will be much reduced from current levels.
400000 ÷ 52 weeks = 7692 per week.
7692 ÷ a squad of 16 = an average wage of £480 per week. That's not going to work.
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Tangy wrote:
I'm not sure on the 400k per year, though I'm sure it will be much reduced from current levels.
400000 ÷ 52 weeks = 7692 per week.
7692 ÷ a squad of 16 = an average wage of £480 per week. That's not going to work.
It is if you're not fussed about how well you actually do in the league...
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SGMilne wrote:
For what it's worth, it wouldn't surprise me if this is ST and his crew playing a game of chicken with potential investors.
Buy me out and take over the running of the ship or I'm going to steer it on to the rocks.
If I was one of the interested parties, I don't think I'd be able to sit back any longer.
I think it's pehaps more a case of leaking scare stories in the press to boost season ticket sales.
Maybe.
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Tangy wrote:
I'm not sure on the 400k per year, though I'm sure it will be much reduced from current levels.
400000 ÷ 52 weeks = 7692 per week.
7692 ÷ a squad of 16 = an average wage of £480 per week. That's not going to work.
More than Raith Rovers LOL
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Tek wrote:
SGMilne wrote:
For what it's worth, it wouldn't surprise me if this is ST and his crew playing a game of chicken with potential investors.
Buy me out and take over the running of the ship or I'm going to steer it on to the rocks.
If I was one of the interested parties, I don't think I'd be able to sit back any longer.I think it's pehaps more a case of leaking score stories in the press to boost season ticket sales.
Maybe.
One thing for sure is after hudding his weesht for so long any stories that hit the press will be designed for the effect he's trying to manipulate to his own advantage.
blackandtangerine wrote:
scarpia wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
The Chairman is trying to cut the wage bill from £1.8 million to £400k. If that doesnt make people sit up and take notice of the shit we are in, then nothing will. We are so fuked here lads.
Tbh I'm struggling with the £1.8m (players ?) wage bill.
Our total wage bill to June 2015 was £3.6m and if the players only accounted for half of that then a) I'm astonished
b) our other salaries are wildly out of control.
The latter could be the case (bonuses?) but the 1.8 still looks very low to me.
Sound source (serious question)?1.8 is quite high. For the 52 players that's an average of about 700 each. Obviously youth team players will be lower and 1St team higher. Positive St johnstone and motherwell wages for playing staff are about 1.1 million
If it is high or indeed bang on then there does seem to be plenty of scope to cut elsewhere.
Sorry if I sound like a shit saying that and I'm very, very conscious that people will be losing their jobs in what are difficult enough times.
It is though what it is and unfortunately poor decisions have led us to this point.
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Imcredible.
Maybe we shouldnt try and tell people about the problems that we are facing next time!
bowers wrote:
Imcredible.
Maybe we shouldnt try and tell people about the problems that we are facing next time!
Who is it you are telling? It seems to me you are bumping your gums on forums and then sitting back with your arms folded saying "I told you so!"
Who exactly do you expect to take action?
Incredible/Frightening/WOW etc etc
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Goodie Conway 2 wrote:
bowers wrote:
Imcredible.
Maybe we shouldnt try and tell people about the problems that we are facing next time!Who is it you are telling? It seems to me you are bumping your gums on forums and then sitting back with your arms folded saying "I told you so!"
Who exactly do you expect to take action?
Incredible/Frightening/WOW etc etc
Who do you think we are telling?
If nobody wants to listen then thats fine and upto them.
But the more people who are willing to stand up and fight to remove st and southern the better.
I for one am not sitting back with my arms folded saying i told anyone so.
bowers wrote:
Goodie Conway 2 wrote:
bowers wrote:
Imcredible.
Maybe we shouldnt try and tell people about the problems that we are facing next time!Who is it you are telling? It seems to me you are bumping your gums on forums and then sitting back with your arms folded saying "I told you so!"
Who exactly do you expect to take action?
Incredible/Frightening/WOW etc etc
Who do you think we are telling?
If nobody wants to listen then thats fine and upto them.
But the more people who are willing to stand up and fight to remove st and southern the better.
I for one am not sitting back with my arms folded saying i told anyone so.
Other than the posters on here, I don't know who you are telling. That's why I asked the question.
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Arabnophobia wrote:
Tek wrote:
SGMilne wrote:
For what it's worth, it wouldn't surprise me if this is ST and his crew playing a game of chicken with potential investors.
Buy me out and take over the running of the ship or I'm going to steer it on to the rocks.
If I was one of the interested parties, I don't think I'd be able to sit back any longer.I think it's pehaps more a case of leaking score stories in the press to boost season ticket sales.
Maybe.
One thing for sure is after hudding his weesht for so long any stories that hit the press will be designed for the effect he's trying to manipulate to his own advantage.
Imagine he tried to get a well known Journalist and Broadcaster to pass on his bullshit as a paid up employee of the Club??
No one would fall for that, surely???
Serious question HH and not trolling.
What action is being taken to challenge Thompson and The Board regarding the dire financial state reported by yourself and bowers?
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He has agreed to meet the fans in the next couple of weeks... We shall see. They have been challenged about they way they have run the Club, financially many, many times and always told us they are going to do something about it.... What kind of action would you like to see taken??
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For several of months a number of fans have expressed caution and concern about the way the finances have been operated by the board, quite rightly worried that cash would run short at some point.
Relegation has brought this into focus. Is Thompson perhaps moving to a totally frugal position now, and will he claim that this is what some of the support have been calling for?
The point I'm suggesting: what level of belt tightening and savings would be acceptable to those who are more aware of the financial situation than me? And what sort of model should we be following in the near future to extricate ourselves from this difficult monetary position.
Complicated issues: I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions.