Its frightening. Only 2 players that will take the ball to feet. 
 

Fraser has never played 80 first team games in his life.

However, I'd look to at some of the players who have played double, treble, many more times that amount of games as the guys who have let us down this season. Fuck me, Pongolle must have played 3-400 games in an injury stricken career, Demel's played a couple of hundred in Germany alone,  

If anyone thinks Fraser has pass marks this season they are in denial,  looked the part against Watford,  signed a new deal, never turned up again .

David_Blunket wrote:

The 4-0 drubbing from an average Hearts team, which led to the chain of events that saw Sir Jum depart was probably the lowest for me.

That was in my mind as well Mr B.

Rarely missed a game home or away back then but turned up at the game that day and never knew who at least 4 of the players were in our 1st XI.

3 nil doon after what? 20 minutes?Half the East Stand empty by then,the atmosphere toxic amongst the one's who stayed.

I was in my mates car and in Stirling by the time we heard about wee Jim banjoing John Barnes (think we left after an hour...still the earliest i've ever left a match willingly).

Then got home to find out my Dad's brother had died that afternoon.

A horrible,horrible day.




 

David_Blunket sees it like I do. Maybe football doesn't have to potential to put you on such a downer as you get older.

Thinking more about it, I felt much worse after the two cup finals of 1987 and 1991, felt cheated in both matches and was furous about it all for months. The 87 defeat was such a downer before the second leg of the UEFA Final, you just felt we'd lose that too after Hampden.

95 was worse for me - as others have said here when you get a bit older, football becomes less important.  United are still a huge part of my life and they always will be but I don't get upset when we get beat now like I used to. 

I was 21 in 95 and had only known relative success as a United fan and I was still convinced we'd stay up until that game at Pittodrie.  

This time we've all known for a while that we've been going down so I'm well used to the fact now.

I'm in the Sieb, DB, MD and PR camp on this ane.  Hopefully we will recover in a season, but that's gonna need a blank canvas from top to bottom, with none of the current decision makers having any input, as they just cannot be trusted.  If it's not in one season, then it will eventually happen, but you cannot turn the clock back re Cup Finals etc and like DB and PR many of our Final Hurdles pain me more.  I agree that we should by rights have about 10 trophies in the Boardroom, but what is gone is gone.  Bill Shankly had his tongue firmly in his cheek when he said that football was much more important than life or death.