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In 30 years of supporting the club it is for me.
As much as it hurt when we went down in '95 there was a sense that exciting times weren't far away and we would spend big to get the club back to where it belonged.
Now i feel nothing but sheer anguish about the direction the club is heading.There is almost a strange mix of apathy as well though.It's been death by a thousand cuts.And i just feel fucked off with the whole club right now.Feel like it's been one kick in the teeth after another these past 18 months.Which will probably peak on Monday night at Dens.
Is this the lowest you've felt about United?
If not.When was your lowest point?
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The difference between the last relegation and this one is massive, we amassed a good squad and we as a club were fully focused on bouncing straight back up in one go with the fans giving the club 100% backing.
This time fuck me what a complete shambles and even with the best will in the world how can we possibly get our shit together with Thompson and Mixu at the club not to mention our financially poor position.
Definitely a life time low for me and I'm 47
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I'm probably in a small group who would vote 'Nah', as there is a bit of relief for me that I won't have to decide if I'm going to chuck in Scottish football all together, which has been my intention in The Rangers ever got into the top league and were still being dressed up as the 'same club'.
So I'll have another year at least before I potentially chuck it.
The last time we were relegated I felt much worse, as at that time I didn't realise that I'd been investing financially and economically in a football version of the WWE.
Now, I can hardly give a fuck for Scottish football, will never be back to support the national team while the same regime is in charge, and have stopped investing in the local team I used to follow, Stenhousemuir.
In future I may go to watch Camelon Juniors, or go south every so often to watch my English side. Or even travel abroad for a few games.
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Although it's certainly not the best I've felt as a 50+ yrs supporter it's not the worst. Losing the UEFA final was the worst, that is a situation we will never be in again. Give it about 3 years and we will have a new chairman , new manager and an entirely new playing staff. We will be back in the SPFL we will never get any where near a European final
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for me, the lowest points have been the most painful ones, when have been when we've been close to success then had our hearts broken. 88, 91 and 2008 finals, I was too young to really understand 1987 season at the time.
in terms of the future looking bleak, yes this is the lowest point.
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It's the lowest I've felt for sure. Totally disillusioned. There's been lots of good threads on here recently and I honestly cannot be arsed speaking or even thinking about United. It's too painful.
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The stats, facts and past history of the last 18 months should say that it should be.
However I took the last relegation a lot harder, being a 15 year old and in my first year as a season ticket holder, when all that mattered was United, where your weekend and the following weekdays would be shaped by if United won or not on match day. Being mocked and taunted by the old firm glory hunting fans at school for supporting a 'lesser' team, when all that anyone talked about was football football football.
I took that incredibly hard. That could only be countered by the thrill and joy of that play off game against Partick Thistle, my lowest low to my highest high in 12 months, and for that to carry on the next season where I managed to go home and away and never missed a game that year for the first time where we signed Sieb and ended up 3rd which was magical.
Now 20 odd years later this hasn't hit me as hard as I thought it would, even though It's toxic armageddon at the club at the minute, and I have no indication of where there will be any bright light in this darkness that would give me any hope. I guess that maybe has to do with my having other responsibilities to take my mind of things, the kids, the wife, the job, the bills etc.
I have more emphathy for other people than for myself in this situation. I haven't had a season ticket for a number of years now, I don't go to every cup or away game so some might argue that I have no right to be upset anyway. But I can't help but feel for the young fans, the kids who are growing up going to the games with their families, falling in love with United and being United daft like I was all those years ago.
I feel for them more than I feel for myself.
Nah, last time we went down we had a good squad - that really feels low.
At least we had the decency to go down with a shite one this time.
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Would love to feel that low of losing a European final again. That would actually feel like winning the euromillions compared to how it is just now.
Board hopeless, manager absolutely clueless beyond belief, playing squad of who 90% are either complete gash or don't try a leg or both, youth system falling apart, losing money by the bucketload, no sign of things getting better any time soon and worst of all the real scary part apathy among a large percentage of the support.
Last time we went down we all knew we'd come straight back, yes we made hard work of it, but the belief was always there. This time I just can't see us coming back quick, there's too much broken.
Without doubt the worst state the clubs been in in my lifetime.
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I have a horrible feeling that Thompson will make the same mistake as last summer and stick with mixu then sack him after a disastrous start to the season, another wasted summer window then a scramble to find a manager while we have fallen miles behind from the get go.
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I think the last relegation was pretty fucking painful because it sneaked up on us.Remember about 4 games from the seasons end we went to Maryhill with Welshy upfront and we played really well as he scored two and we won 3-1.I think that night everyone thought 'we'll be fine'.
We then went and lost the next three on the bounce when just one win would have probably saved us (particularly if we'd won at Pittodrie).
This time I won't take the relegation as bad because...
1)It's been on the cards for months now
2)Like Siebby's post above Dundee Utd aren't my entire life now and looking at it philosophically 'worse things have happened at Sea' as the saying goes.
I think my utter apathy towards all things Dundee United currently is shocking me and from the point of view from taking no joy at being a Utd fan these days and seeing no real evidence that things will improve anytime soon, then yeah... this is the lowest point for me (or Monday will be).
It's almost akin to falling out of love with your wife/girlfriend or something. Because although the rows (Cup Final defeats etc) might have stung at the time, they were quickly forgotten about and before you know it things are back on track.
This time everything just feels broken and there only looks like more struggle ahead with no sense of excitement or Joy in the 'relationship' between club and support.
Then again maybe I'm being over dramatic lol (I hope so).
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Arab_plumber wrote:
I have a horrible feeling that Thompson will make the same mistake as last summer and stick with mixu then sack him after a disastrous start to the season, another wasted summer window then a scramble to find a manager while we have fallen miles behind from the get go.
If he does, it might not just be Dumbarton and Livvy etc we have to look forward too, East Fife, Cowdenbeath, Albion Rovers etc only a year of Mixus 'tactics' away.
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TheShed wrote:
Would love to feel that low of losing a European final again. That would actually feel like winning the euromillions compared to how it is just now.
Board hopeless, manager absolutely clueless beyond belief, playing squad of who 90% are either complete gash or don't try a leg or both, youth system falling apart, losing money by the bucketload, no sign of things getting better any time soon and worst of all the real scary part apathy among a large percentage of the support.
Last time we went down we all knew we'd come straight back, yes we made hard work of it, but the belief was always there. This time I just can't see us coming back quick, there's too much broken.
Without doubt the worst state the clubs been in in my lifetime.
Shed you may be right that we may not be back up for a while but I'm sure you believe like I do that we will get promoted eventually. I would also guess that like me you don't think UTD will ever get to EUFA final again. That's why I felt worse after that and other Final defeats We should have 10 Major honours not 5. The damage of relegation can be repaired.
btw there are still a lot of talented kids in the youths
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I definitely felt worse about relegation in 95 than I do now. Then I was an 18 year old lad whose whole life and highly charged emotions revolved around football.
I still care. I'm still hurt. But I can see past it. And I can rationalise it. We're the 6th biggest club in Scotland. In a league of a dozen clubs it's feasible we'll get relegated. We're not immune to that possibility.
So it doesn't hurt in the same incomprehensible angsty hurt that I felt in 95. Eight years after I watched us in a European final. 12 years after I watched us crowned the champions of Scotland.
But it still fucking hurts.
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I've knew since October that we were going to be relegated, that game at Firhill (3-0) when Psycho was in charge said everything you need to know about this squad,
gutless underachievers who couldn't give a fuck.
What really is painful is knowing that those fucking retarded trophy virgin cunts can relegate us officially on Monday.
This is not a run of the mill game, not a game that we can ever forget, this is a game that will stick in our in the back of our throats for the rest of our life.
Not sure who is old enough here to remember Celtic singing "we'll meet again" but it hurt, it really fucking hurt and it's really something I thought I'd never feel again watching United, defeat in a cup final was nothing compared to that and to think that THEY have the power and strength to sing it on Monday gives me the fear.
Thompson shall never be forgiven for this, NEVER.
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Beharder wrote:
TheShed wrote:
Would love to feel that low of losing a European final again. That would actually feel like winning the euromillions compared to how it is just now.
Board hopeless, manager absolutely clueless beyond belief, playing squad of who 90% are either complete gash or don't try a leg or both, youth system falling apart, losing money by the bucketload, no sign of things getting better any time soon and worst of all the real scary part apathy among a large percentage of the support.
Last time we went down we all knew we'd come straight back, yes we made hard work of it, but the belief was always there. This time I just can't see us coming back quick, there's too much broken.
Without doubt the worst state the clubs been in in my lifetime.Shed you may be right that we may not be back up for a while but I'm sure you believe like I do that we will get promoted eventually. I would also guess that like me you don't think UTD will ever get to EUFA final again. That's why I felt worse after that and other Final defeats We should have 10 Major honours not 5. The damage of relegation can be repaired.
btw there are still a lot of talented kids in the youths
I'm not saying ur wrong to feel the way u do, we're all different, I just think the current situation is the worst we've had as long as I've been alive.
When we lost that UEFA final, we'd been in the last 4 of European comps twice in 4 seasons, we were officially Europes 4th best side, it was a real disappointment, but at the time it didn't feel like we'd never get another chance. Now we know differently of course. Was going to say it's amazing how much things have changed in 30 years, but really they changed in about 5 after that, downhill ever since.
There are talented kids in the youths, I agree, but as long as Mixu is here none of them will re-sign, they can't stand him and want to leave and Mixu doesn't appear to have any intention of giving youth a proper chance
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Youth never gonna get a chance with Mixu, kept playing all our duds and fuds all season when clearly not good enough or even trying !
Should've blooded a few but didn't .
Look how long he waited until letting Knoyle get a game......and he's done fine once in team , if only we could've had a few more triers in there.
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You would think it would be the same or similar to the last time. But this has been going on since November, so the pain of has been has been going on for longer.
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Tangerine'n'Black wrote:
Youth never gonna get a chance with Mixu, kept playing all our duds and fuds all season when clearly not good enough or even trying !
Should've blooded a few but didn't .
Look how long he waited until letting Knoyle get a game......and he's done fine once in team , if only we could've had a few more triers in there.
He gave youth a chance in Scott Fraser, too many chances IMO.
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Answering tek.
Yes. However. Last time I was a young laddie, it was the end of the world. But it actually turned out to be the best season ever following Utd. Busses fae the Charlie bar, bottle o md2020 just to get in the bus! ...getting into st mirren bairns gate wi s full on beard. Stopping off at kilsythe... And stayin there ! Leavin 2 mins before Welshie equalised, and bein in the strath bar when Coyle notched😩.....Great days. 😂
This time I'm fuckin angry. That cunt has fucked us over! Cunt!
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Just as a personal final thought on the matter, I think it's less painful this time as well having the forum here to look at the different spectrum's of opinions.
It's therapeutic to know that there are fellow supporters out there going through the same thing, and to contribute and read on opinions, thoughts etc. certainly helps for me, I would say I value, respect and can relate to around 98% of the contributers here on this site.
Hopefully we can all move forward together and see one another on the other side of this dark period for the club.
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Rocky Raccoon wrote:
Tangerine'n'Black wrote:
Youth never gonna get a chance with Mixu, kept playing all our duds and fuds all season when clearly not good enough or even trying !
Should've blooded a few but didn't .
Look how long he waited until letting Knoyle get a game......and he's done fine once in team , if only we could've had a few more triers in there.He gave youth a chance in Scott Fraser, too many chances IMO.
Young man's 21 now in his third season of opportunities , over 80 1st team games for us and Airdrie and proved he's not good enough, needs moved on with the others in same boat IMO.
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Arab_plumber wrote:
I have a horrible feeling that Thompson will make the same mistake as last summer and stick with mixu then sack him after a disastrous start to the season, another wasted summer window then a scramble to find a manager while we have fallen miles behind from the get go.
Once enough money comes in from ST sales, he'll be paid his wedge and out the door. Wouldn't surprise me if it was this week after we go down
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LOL, bemused how this can turn into an anti - Scott Fraser thread.?
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HeggyHandshake wrote:
LOL, bemused how this can turn into an anti - Scott Fraser thread.?
Funny how him and Spittal have had more stick than most this season. #blindfolded supporting