Tekel Towers » If Utd get relegated

Tek · 23/3/2016 5:54 pm

Does Mixu deserve to be sacked?

Yes or No? 100% YES for me.

Tangerine_Ultra · 23/3/2016 5:57 pm

I'd give him time. Although I find some of his subs and tactics very strange indeed.

SuperMario · 23/3/2016 6:53 pm

Yep

TheShed · 23/3/2016 7:14 pm

Said when Jackie went that if we went down whoever took over would deserve sacked and nothing has changed my mind.

TBH if we stayed up and won the cup I'd still want him gone, unfair as that may seem, IMO he's not dot a clue tactically or about players abilities/strengths.

Sieb22 · 23/3/2016 8:07 pm

IF we get relegated and sack Mixu, does the next manager get the sack if we fail to get promotion, and start on an endless cycle of new managers and squad overhauls.

I feel for Mixu as he is obviously trying to make his own team, but the only people available since he took over are has beens or never was and wage thief's. He say's the right things off the field and can talk a good game and is certainly up for the fight....BUT..

Something is just not right, there was no instant boost from his appointment, remember Levein's first game after taking over from Brewster with the same squad, apples and oranges. Mix also seems very stubborn with tactics along with baffling team selections at times and strange subbies make it very hard for me to say we should keep him on.

I like him as a person but I don't think he is demonstrating good management or coaching. In my mind a good coach/manager can work around the team in the respect that they make the tactics dynamic and fit with the players abilities he instead of forcing team tactics with players that are not really capable of playing that way.

Sad to say but I think he should go IF we get relegated.

Silver · 23/3/2016 8:35 pm

Sieb22 wrote:
IF we get relegated and sack Mixu, does the next manager get the sack if we fail to get promotion, and start on an endless cycle of new managers and squad overhauls.

I feel for Mixu as he is obviously trying to make his own team, but the only people available since he took over are has beens or never was and wage thief's. He say's the right things off the field and can talk a good game and is certainly up for the fight....BUT..

Something is just not right, there was no instant boost from his appointment, remember Levein's first game after taking over from Brewster with the same squad, apples and oranges. Mix also seems very stubborn with tactics along with baffling team selections at times and strange subbies make it very hard for me to say we should keep him on.

I like him as a person but I don't think he is demonstrating good management or coaching. In my mind a good coach/manager can work around the team in the respect that they make the tactics dynamic and fit with the players abilities he instead of forcing team tactics with players that are not really capable of playing that way.

Sad to say but I think he should go IF we get relegated.

A good balanced post, and one I totally agree with, albeit not as diplomatic as you mate.

Get rid.

lifesanocean · 23/3/2016 9:23 pm

Sieb22 wrote:
IF we get relegated and sack Mixu, does the next manager get the sack if we fail to get promotion, and start on an endless cycle of new managers and squad overhauls.

I feel for Mixu as he is obviously trying to make his own team, but the only people available since he took over are has beens or never was and wage thief's. He say's the right things off the field and can talk a good game and is certainly up for the fight....BUT..

Something is just not right, there was no instant boost from his appointment, remember Levein's first game after taking over from Brewster with the same squad, apples and oranges. Mix also seems very stubborn with tactics along with baffling team selections at times and strange subbies make it very hard for me to say we should keep him on.

I like him as a person but I don't think he is demonstrating good management or coaching. In my mind a good coach/manager can work around the team in the respect that they make the tactics dynamic and fit with the players abilities he instead of forcing team tactics with players that are not really capable of playing that way.

Sad to say but I think he should go IF we get relegated.

Hard to disagree with this.

Arab_plumber · 23/3/2016 9:26 pm

Being honest I'd punt him even if we stay up, he's a pish manager IMO.

Waffelz · 23/3/2016 9:43 pm

Arab_plumber wrote:
Being honest I'd punt him even if we stay up, he's a pish manager IMO.

This man speaks sense at times.

Tek · 23/3/2016 10:59 pm

My main concern about keeping him on till next season if we go down would be...do we trust him in the Summer window to recruit the right players to bring us up at the first time of asking?

I had the same concern this time last year about moving forward under Jackie and last close season was catastrophic giving him the Summer to fuck about and evntually make panic buys like Snjeider and Bodul with no scouting etc.And all because Ciftci,Spittal,McGowan and Fojut turned it on on the last day of the season and we humped a weakened Dundee.

We cannot afford to fuck about this Summer.Looking at who could be in the Championship next season we have ...(potentially)

Utd
Hibs
Falkirk
Dunfermline
Raith Rovers
QotS
St.Mirren
Morton
Livi
Airdrie
Dumbarton

With only the winners guaranteed promotion we need to recruit wisely and hit the ground running.

Arab_plumber · 23/3/2016 11:29 pm

Tek what you have posted is my very real fear for next season, we will be in an extremely tough league and we will be the team they all want to beat.

I have no faith in Mixu to rebuild the team or suddenly display tactical shrewdness.

As soon as we are officially relegated he should be removed and the start of the task to bounce back should start.

Time for Thompson to justify his outrageous salary and actually put a shift in at tannadice rather than eyeing up the talent outside Costa coffee.

Billy_Hainey · 23/3/2016 11:30 pm

Tek, do you no think (I might be wrong) that one of the things on Mixu's remit within his contract when he was recruited in October last year, was to keep United in the Scottish Premier. Assuming that's the case, and he signed the contract, then if we are relegated, is that no the Club's get out clause to get rid.

PatReilly · 23/3/2016 11:59 pm

I was relatively happy when we got Mixu, given his record with the Finnish national team: foolishly reckoning he'd dip into the Scandinavian markets as their seasons concluded, finding a keeper, central defenders and a wide player.

He didn't do much there apart from finding a failing Finn, and his other signings have been either unfit/injured much of the time, took too long to actually be available (Kawashima) or have been......... Gunning!

We have looked much better sporadically, and I've still got the faith we'll stay up , but that will be in spite of, rather than because of Mixu, who has been a huge disappointment to me. In that I include his ear-cupping on Sunday, which some United fans appeared to enjoy. If we go down, watch out for these images resurfacing, in the manner of Tam McManus.

So I'd have to say, IF we get relegated, he'd have to go.

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Tek · 24/3/2016 12:06 am

Billy_Hainey wrote:
Tek, do you no think (I might be wrong) that one of the things on Mixu's remit within his contract when he was recruited in October last year, was to keep United in the Scottish Premier. Assuming that's the case, and he signed the contract, then if we are relegated, is that no the Club's get out clause to get rid.

He was the first person we interviewed Bill and we then spent nearly a month trying to recruit other Managers (Stuart McCall,Tommy Wright,John Hughes and God knows who else) after they all either knocked us back or were refused permission we imo in a bit of a panic appointed Mixu as we had exhausted all likely candidates and couldn't afford to waste anymore time.

By this time Mixu has our head over a barrel when it comes to negotiating,so NO i very much doubt such a clause exists in his contract tbh mate.

That's just my gut feeling though and i hope to fuck i'm wrong in that prediction.

Arabnophobia · 24/3/2016 12:27 am

Aye. If relegated he deserves to go.

Whether it's the best thing financially, as in another big pay off over spending on the team, or another gamble on another manager better or worse, I don't fucking know.
At the time he was appointed I hoped the contract would be dependent upon staying up. Don't think it is though.
Stubbornness in tactics is mixed with efforts to stabilise. Signings in the future won't all be out off contract jobless players.
I'm nae coach but wish he'd mix his tactics up to undo the old predictability we watch still and opposition sometimes thrive on.

BennyBoy · 24/3/2016 1:02 am

Firstly, there is no 'If we get relegated', we're down. Secondly, I want Mixu gone now. That's not going to happen but he already deserves to be punted for signing FSP and Riski alone.

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bowers · 24/3/2016 6:50 am

I dont want to wait to the seasons end to get rid i want him gone now

lifesanocean · 24/3/2016 8:10 am

I stuck up for Mixu on a thread here a few weeks ago but I'm getting pissed off with him too because of tactics. His stubborn refusal to switch to a back 4 when they were down to 10 men was ridiculous. Similarly when were were struggling to counter Motherwell last week. What was the point of signing the laddie Knoyle????

Andy · 24/3/2016 8:25 am

If we go down he has to go, no question for me.

It was nowhere near an impossible task when he took over and whatever you think of the Chairman he had given Mixu considerable funds, and he's wasted them in the main.

The difficult situation will be if he manages to keep us up, there's a large number of our support that will still want rid but that would be a difficult decision for ST and we would risk going into the new season in the same position we started this one in.

I can't agree that the Championship is a tough league though, half the teams are really poor, Falkirk, Raith and possibly Dunfermline will be a challenge and Hibs on paper better than us if they stay down, Killie are more likely to be closer to St Mirren than Hibs if they swap places with the Cabbage.

Nothing is guaranteed of course but this is a much worse league than the last time we were in the second flight.

TheShed · 24/3/2016 9:15 am

Andy wrote:
Nothing is guaranteed of course but this is a much worse league than the last time we were in the second flight.

That's true, but the premier is also much worse and we are also much worse now ( and worse off) than the last time. It's still a very hard league to get out of with few easy games. Best case for us ( assuming automatic relegation ) would be Hibs up thru play offs with Killie coming down.

Arab_plumber · 24/3/2016 9:19 am

Mixu's signings were just a continuation of the summer shite, he has failed miserably over half a season so for me he MUST be sacked as soon as its official we are down.

PatReilly · 24/3/2016 10:06 am

Arab_plumber wrote:
Mixu's signings were just a continuation of the summer shite, he has failed miserably over half a season so for me he MUST be sacked as soon as its official we are down.

I'd like to think he'd walk first, if not that a compromise might have to be sorted out on his contract.

24/3/2016 11:17 am

BennyBoy wrote:
Firstly, there is no 'If we get relegated', we're down. Secondly, I want Mixu gone now. That's not going to happen but he already deserves to be punted for signing FSP and Riski alone.

Thinking that may help you to come to terms with it IF it does happen but no, we are not down. There's still enough points to play for.

To answer the OP. I think that if there is a clause in MP's contract then he should go. If not, the cost of another pay-off should be considered before sacking yet another manager. We will already be facing a big enough deficit should we go down.

Andy · 24/3/2016 11:37 am

TheShed wrote:
Andy wrote:
Nothing is guaranteed of course but this is a much worse league than the last time we were in the second flight.
That's true, but the premier is also much worse and we are also much worse now ( and worse off) than the last time. It's still a very hard league to get out of with few easy games. Best case for us ( assuming automatic relegation ) would be Hibs up thru play offs with Killie coming down.

That's a fair point TS, we had a much better squad last time:

Maxwell

Malpas
Welsh
Pressley
Shannon

McLaren
McKinnon
Johnson
Dailly

Brewster
Winters

O'Hanlon
Perry
McQuilken
Bett
Bowman
Coyle
McSwegan

It's all relative though, mind we only got into the playoffs on goal difference, one more loss and we would have finished fourth. That was a really tough league, second bottom and relegated Hamilton had more than half the points of Champions Dunfermline, currently second bottom Livingston have a third of Rangers points, and that will be more like a quarter come the end of the season,

TheShed · 24/3/2016 1:02 pm

Andy wrote:
TheShed wrote:
Andy wrote:
Nothing is guaranteed of course but this is a much worse league than the last time we were in the second flight.
That's true, but the premier is also much worse and we are also much worse now ( and worse off) than the last time. It's still a very hard league to get out of with few easy games. Best case for us ( assuming automatic relegation ) would be Hibs up thru play offs with Killie coming down.

That's a fair point TS, we had a much better squad last time:

Maxwell

Malpas
Welsh
Pressley
Shannon

McLaren
McKinnon
Johnson
Dailly

Brewster
Winters

O'Hanlon
Perry
McQuilken
Bett
Bowman
Coyle
McSwegan

It's all relative though, mind we only got into the playoffs on goal difference, one more loss and we would have finished fourth. That was a really tough league, second bottom and relegated Hamilton had more than half the points of Champions Dunfermline, currently second bottom Livingston have a third of Rangers points, and that will be more like a quarter come the end of the season,

There's a definite good/bad split in that league tbf, but the top 4/5 clubs are decent and it'll be tough. Would still expect us to win it tho, as longs Mixus gone.